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 Yodhrin wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Those buildings are growing on me actually the more I look at them, I just wish they were a little taller. I hate to think how much a full board of those tiles would set me back if I lived down under.

I bought one of the big boxes, then instead of buying the other five I'd need to make a full table with decent terrain density I spent a third that much on a vacuum chamber. Will be a lot easier to make large structures once I combine multiple plastic components into large "tiles" and cast them. If it's good enough for GW...

Would you mind linking to the vacuum chamber you bought? Or any links to help someone learn more of this dark magic you speak of?

tneva82 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
For further comparison old warlord is about waist of new warlord. Old Imperator is about size of new warlord(some use the old imperators to convert new warlords and doesn't look oddly small)

Actually... the old Imperator is much closer in size (and particularly bulk) to a Reaver than a Warlord. It mostly looks like a smallish Reaver with a house on top

Yes, the top of the highest spire of the Imperator is at the same height that the Warlord... but it's nowhere as big anyways.

The old Imperator would be perfect for 3mm gaming...

I don't really care how viable the imperator is for the game, I just want the model. Also, just have it be played in specific scenarios or larger games.

puzzledust wrote:
I don't really care how viable the imperator is for the game, I just want the model. Also, just have it be played in specific scenarios or larger games.

Shouldn't be too difficult to kitbash one.

Buy a 28MM Knight kit, replace the top carapace with some foamcore and stack Civitas Imperialis Administratum Sector buildings onto the top.

Instant Imperator.

Was checking my Reaver Weapons Cards last night, and realised that with the previews, we’re soon to have a full suite of dakka for them.

And it got me wondering what we’re awaiting for the Warlord. Gatling Blasters are on the way, as are the Macro Cannon and Heavy Gatling Blasters. What are we yet to see to complete their existing suite?

After the previews and existing releases the Warlord just needs carapace megabolters & turbolasers. Luckily are those are the easiest to substitute from the Reaver/Warhound. The megabolter in particular isn't the biggest loss as it's short range can normally only be used on other Walords.

 xttz wrote:
After the previews and existing releases the Warlord just needs carapace megabolters & turbolasers. Luckily are those are the easiest to substitute from the Reaver/Warhound. The megabolter in particular isn't the biggest loss as it's short range can normally only be used on other Walords.

The Turbo-lasers are already out, on the Sunfury weapon sprue, so think it's just the mega-bolters left (after the previewed Gatling blasters)

Tavis75 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
After the previews and existing releases the Warlord just needs carapace megabolters & turbolasers. Luckily are those are the easiest to substitute from the Reaver/Warhound. The megabolter in particular isn't the biggest loss as it's short range can normally only be used on other Walords.

The Turbo-lasers are already out, on the Sunfury weapon sprue, so think it's just the mega-bolters left (after the previewed Gatling blasters)

No, that’s the Laser Blasters.

Either way - we're very close to having all the weapons allowed by the current rules set. WE'll really be into new territory then.

Doesn't the rulebook have at least a couple of weapon rules not used by any current cards? Will be interesting to see if they have something already planned for those.

I'm sure we'll see a 'Wave 2' of weapons. Vortex missiles and Warlord Chainfists spring to mind. Fire control Towers, landing pads and Corvus Assault Pods? Not so sure.

 xttz wrote:
Doesn't the rulebook have at least a couple of weapon rules not used by any current cards? Will be interesting to see if they have something already planned for those.

Vortex at least. And then there was one that made target take more shield saves than was expected.

Someone mentioned that the Warp Missile is removable from the launch rack, and that different missile types were planned.

Probably removal feature is for sake of book keeping and if new ones come are on their own parts rather than use warp missile model.

tneva82 wrote:
Probably removal feature is for sake of book keeping and if new ones come are on their own parts rather than use warp missile model.

And because removing the missile after it fires looks cool.

And its more fun than putting a counter by it to say its fired; plus it works well if you've got more than one in the game and want to keep easy track on what has and hasn't fired. If its got no missile you know its the one that's already fired.

If this evolves into epic, then it's over for me. I would drop up to a thousand bucks on it on an instant. Epic was my first mini wargame, my first GW game and the game that hooked me on metal, plastic and resin for, I assume, life.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Probably removal feature is for sake of book keeping and if new ones come are on their own parts rather than use warp missile model.

And because removing the missile after it fires looks cool.

Or, there is going to be some very slow-moving homing missile which darts around the board seeking out a target...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Someone mentioned that the Warp Missile is removable from the launch rack, and that different missile types were planned.

Warp, Vortex, Multiple Barrage and Harpoon, if Old Epic is any guide

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Someone mentioned that the Warp Missile is removable from the launch rack, and that different missile types were planned.

Warp, Vortex, Multiple Barrage and Harpoon, if Old Epic is any guide

Go older 1980's style - Plasma, Haywire, Vortex and Warp

Plasma. That was the one I was thinking for the Multiple Barrage Warhead.

I'm still wondering when there will be Turbo Laser Destructors to mount on a Warlord, Dictatio-style.

Panzerkanzler wrote:
If this evolves into epic, then it's over for me. I would drop up to a thousand bucks on it on an instant. Epic was my first mini wargame, my first GW game and the game that hooked me on metal, plastic and resin for, I assume, life.

As it is likened to a sea-warfare game, and set in the Horus Heresy era, its hard to see Titanicus being evolved into an epic-style game. The team behind it have also said they have no plans for xenos in Titanicus.

That said, I certainly wouldn't dismiss the possibility of a second 8mm game. With Knight and terrain/scenery kits already available they just need tanks and aircraft to go with them to make a combined-arms game and just move it into the modern 40K era.

Even then 6 Knights( using different colour plastic ) and a few buildings would be enough for a small, limited availability game such like Gangs of Gormmrah or Gorechosen. It would be a great opportunity to place an AT advert sheet inside the box.

For now, though, there is AT and it seems to be popular enough with the giant-robot lovers of the Warhammer community. That alone suggests good things are to follow...

If we can have 40k and Killteam with overlapping miniature ranges there's no reason we can't have some combination of AT / AI / Epic co-existing.

I cannot believe that they are not considering an Epic scale reboot after the way AT has been selling.

 Rayvon wrote:
I cannot believe that they are not considering an Epic scale reboot after the way AT has been selling.

They might be but:
1) GW is still under producing for demand and still has a very full roster fixing AoS and its armies up. So there's likely no room for adding another big game

2) GW doesn't need to add it - as noted in point 1 GW is doing so well they can only just keep up.

3) AT is doing well but we don't know the investment to profit ratio. So we can't easily say how well or badly its doing save that its selling very strongly based on GW running out of stock and adding more support to it.

4) AT works really well because its very low investment (no this doesn't conflict point 3). They've only got 1 army to support at present so that really cuts down on variety of sculpts and number of moulds needed. Epic would require alternate races and that means significantly more moulds and such at launch.

5) Even if GW was working on it now they wouldn't say. GW is very strict about not leaking info too far ahead, Sisters of Battle is about one of the rare situations where we know something is coming more than a few months in advance. If GW has epic on the cards then they are playing it close to their chest until such time as they are 100% certain on the release date and already gearing up to launch.

6) Don't forget one strength AT has is that whilst it is expensive its very low model count and appeals to a different market. Epic isn't low model count, its high model count and the rules are very different by nature. So there's always a risk that it can end up appealing to a market that perhaps is alerady bought into 40K

Personally I don't expect to see Epic until well after AT has added Chaos titans - and I mean more than just alternate weapon/armour packs I mean proper fully demonic unique titans. If anything I'd expect them to trial Xenos like orks and eldar before going for Epic. Also if GW were to bring back a game in Epic scale I'd honestly prefer to see Warmaster return (Either old world or, more likely, AoS style). Rank and file fits ideally into that scale and could give GW a chance to capture that market again and ease the "AoS hasn't got rank and file"

 xttz wrote:
If we can have 40k and Killteam with overlapping miniature ranges there's no reason we can't have some combination of AT / AI / Epic co-existing.

Agreed. It seems 40K was stretched into a one-size-fits-all at one point, and strange compared to earlier days when a common army would be two squads, a leader chap and a Dreadnought. Oh, I had a Falcon grav-tank once. Yep. A prince amongst table-toppers...

But now for a modern Space Marine army we have Mike setting up his army...

"Okay, thanks for coming round tonight Jeff...now lets see...I have two Knights, sixteen squads of marines, three Land raiders, five dreadnoughts as bodyguard to Robute Guilleman and his private Thunder hawk gunship. Oh, we musn't forget the Warlord Titan thats upstairs in my wife's wardrobe. Hold my beer, Jeff, I'll be right back!"

Poor old Jeff, who has popped round for a quick game, has yet to deploy the contents of his "start collecting" boxset of orcs, which he thought was pretty cool as it came with that rather nifty Deff Dread... . Of course, he wasn't expecting to play a game of Space Marine 2nd Edition using 40K rules...

KT and 40K are good companion games while some of it is still best left to the Titanicus-scale game systems.

They *have* to bring back the Harpoon - take over the enemy titan - good times!

SamusDrake wrote:

 xttz wrote:
If we can have 40k and Killteam with overlapping miniature ranges there's no reason we can't have some combination of AT / AI / Epic co-existing.

Agreed. It seems 40K was stretched into a one-size-fits-all at one point, and strange compared to earlier days when a common army would be two squads, a leader chap and a Dreadnought. Oh, I had a Falcon grav-tank once. Yep. A prince amongst table-toppers...

But now for a modern Space Marine army we have Mike setting up his army...

"Okay, thanks for coming round tonight Jeff...now lets see...I have two Knights, sixteen squads of marines, three Land raiders, five dreadnoughts as bodyguard to Robute Guilleman and his private Thunder hawk gunship. Oh, we musn't forget the Warlord Titan thats upstairs in my wife's wardrobe. Hold my beer, Jeff, I'll be right back!"

Poor old Jeff, who has popped round for a quick game, has yet to deploy the contents of his "start collecting" boxset of orcs, which he thought was pretty cool as it came with that rather nifty Deff Dread... . Of course, he wasn't expecting to play a game of Space Marine 2nd Edition using 40K rules...

KT and 40K are good companion games while some of it is still best left to the Titanicus-scale game systems.

So much agree on the 40k scale. I remember a WD where they had an epic 'tank battle' which had an unheard of amount of tanks... 7 or 8 Rhino variants vs less leman Russ than most current guard armies put in a single detachment

Im not bought into Titanicus yet because I cant afford the table to play on. Titans easy, £100 gets enough. To make a good looking table (I dont play unpainted and dislike playing on bad tables) with appropriately scaled and detailed scenery, £400? probably more really. In the future id like to see them bring in flyers, thats something that i dislike being in 40k, they are just too big and destroy the 'immersion' for me.