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...and there was much rejoicing and Tyranid players everywhere rage-twitched at another army getting a second wave.

Maybe the Triarch is going to be a double-kit with that one Character? He's got the legs for it.

Praxiss wrote:if it is a plastic kit of fine cast then the part makign the Wraith stand up tall (tail, whatever) may well only be a couple of bitsof sprue due to the light weight of the model. or the model for the new wraith might not quite so lithe looking as the prvious model (i'm think Talos-esque)

Looking at the art, the carapace looks the same as well (the wraith seems to have a power source or something on its back but this is described int he fluff for the unit).

i think it is pretty much a given that it will be an eith/or kit like Lyguards/triarch and immortals/deathmarks.

I can see how they'd do a combo-kit, but Wraiths/Spyders have much bigger differences to reconcile than those of Deathmarks/Immortals or Praets/Lychguard. Not that I'm ruling out the possibility, there would just be good reason to keep the two separate. Unlike all of the previous combo-kits, they don't share a chassis or a statline. As the models currently stand, they don't even share a base size. I'm all for two-for-ones, but the others have all had some very obvious similarities...this one seems a stretch.

At the end of the day, the combo-kit probably makes more sense $-wise, so yeah, that's most likely what we'll see. Until that day comes I will continue to dream my hopeless dreams.

The TK snake-surfer box makes two different units that share about 3 bits. I think Wraiths/Spiders is very doable.

I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

It will be a combo kit on the same stands that Destroyers/Spyders/Barges/Arks are currently on (not confirmed but thsiis what i am guessing).

The new artwork in the codex has the wraiths and spyders havign very similar carapace and heads. Bear in mind the Wraith has been completley re-written. They are not CC necrons anymore, they are in the same automaton group as Spyders and Scarabs. They stayed awake during the long sleep maintain and tidying the tomb worlds.

Compare the artwork for Wraiths and Spyders and you will see the similarties in head, back and torso configuration. I predict that the only difference will be how they are put together. Spyders will be much as they are now, low down and hovering, while Wraiths will have the same dimensions but be standing up with a more tapering rear end (into the tail assembly).

It looks like the spyders and wraiths will share the same head and mid section, but the spyder will have a large scarab like rear end, while the wraith will have a long tail instead.

I am happy that a box set can give you 3 wraiths or 3 spyders. I find this be a good deal, and perfect for wraith wing lists.

I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

azazel the cat wrote:I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

I don't know.... I think a base that big is way too big. And personally, I'm fine with 40mm bases.

King Pariah wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

I don't know.... I think a base that big is way too big. And personally, I'm fine with 40mm bases.

I'd also have to say 60mm is "way too big." Flight stands wouldn't be much better...

I guess I'm just hoping, based off of the premise that the Wraiths & Spyders will have approximately the same size, and that the Spyder is a MC, so it should be larger, about the size of a Dreadnought. Going back to the initial premise that the Wraiths & Spyders are the same size, I think it's possible. Unlikey? Sure. But it's a possibility not outside of reason.

azazel the cat wrote:I guess I'm just hoping, based off of the premise that the Wraiths & Spyders will have approximately the same size, and that the Spyder is a MC, so it should be larger, about the size of a Dreadnought. Going back to the initial premise that the Wraiths & Spyders are the same size, I think it's possible. Unlikey? Sure. But it's a possibility not outside of reason

No, it's not outside of reason at all. I just hope you're wrong.

Spyders would make sense (to me) on a 60mm or flight stand. They are, after all, T6 3-wound monstrous creatures. Even with their new-found second wound, I don't think Wraiths should have quite as much heft. It's down to personal preference I guess, but I think 40mm is a lot more appropriate for a model with their profile (much like Terminators or Fiends of Slaanesh). It's also a lot less hassle transporting and playing with 40mm models than 60mm, but there I go with my wishful thinking again...

It's possible that both bases will be included in the box. I agree that if they get the same kit, it's weird that Spyders are MC's and Wraiths are not.

I'm really hoping for a 3 model plastic kit.

I've already picked up 4x of the metal Wraiths (@Sasori: I think you're right, my shooty list does need that one counterassault unit).

As menacing as the new artwork makes the Wraiths look, I just don't care for the new aethetic. Especially considering the old models had IMO one of the coolest-looking units in 40k. (and if I'm -somehow- correct about the larger bases, then that just leaves me some room for some fancy modelling on the larger base.)

I really hope it is a 3 model kit (kind of makes sense as their max unit sizes are multiples of 3).

I just can't see GW being that helpfull when they could pop them in a 1 model box for £10 and most likely still sell a crap load. After all, they did it with Destroyers.

Praxiss wrote:After all, they did it with Destroyers.

Yeah, like ten+ years ago. They stopped doing those styles of sprue a long time ago, as far as I know.

Well, like i said. I really hope they come in 3 model boxes, i would defo pick them up then.

But GW are not exactly well known for their savvy or customer friendly marketing strategies

Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

That would be a MASSIVE size increase. i woudl think that would be unlikely....i hope so anyway. if it's that sort of size they woudl chareg at least £20 just for one!

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Apparently, someone confused the 3-up model for a production model a while back.

Hmm, would have preferred models for Zandrekh and Obyron, but I suppose they are close enough to existing models to proxy. Besides, everyone uses Szeras....right?

I do on occasion use Anrakyr, though, so yay for that.

whigwam wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

two words. Whip coils. The bigger the base they give wraiths the happier i'll be.

SoulGazer wrote:Hmm, would have preferred models for Zandrekh and Obyron, but I suppose they are close enough to existing models to proxy. Besides, everyone uses Szeras....right?

I do on occasion use Anrakyr, though, so yay for that.

Actually I think Anrakyr is best represented by the plastic Overlord that comes with the CCB. Both special characters for wave two are the least desirable for me. I am happy with my plastic Overlord and I'll never use Szeras.

WanderingFox wrote:

whigwam wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

two words. Whip coils. The bigger the base they give wraiths the happier i'll be.

You're right, that could be pretty nuts. For that reason, I'm thinking Whip Coils are one of the strongest indications Wraiths' base size won't change.

Medium of Death wrote:...and there was much rejoicing and Tyranid players everywhere rage-twitched at another army getting a second wave.

Though apparantly according to other threads there's due to be a flurry of 2nd waves all round the same time....including... (wait for it)...Tyranids!

But seriously.

This wave system is fething ridiculous.

But I really do want to see new Wraiths. The artwork is very, very different from the previous incarnation!

yeah, not overly happy abotu that. Teh fact that the 3 Wraiths i have will not mesh with any new ones i get is annoyign in the extreme.

Already a little miffed that my new plastic immortals aere noticably taller than my old metal ones so a mixed unit looks iffy as well.

Praxiss wrote:It will be a combo kit on the same stands that Destroyers/Spyders/Barges/Arks are currently on (not confirmed but thsiis what i am guessing).

TBH, that doesn't make much sense... Destroyers are PITA to hold close together as a group of 5 and are like last model you would like to get into CC.
Since CC is fixed on base contact - flying bases are large and usually used for models who measure their distances from hull / weapon etc... I just don't see this happening here.
I expect Wraiths to stay 40mm and Spyders to use those now as well, with addition of small acrylic rod in the middle, kinda like those demon flying things Tzeentch has ( http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440203a&prodId=prod1170227 ).

EDIT: I also hope that 3 per kit will be true as that's awesome solution. Buying 9 separate Spder boxes for Spyder Farm is a nightmare (still overreacting a purchase of 5 destroyers...).

Anpu-adom wrote:

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Apparently, someone confused the 3-up model for a production model a while back.

Or mistook the Triarch Stalker model for the new Spydor