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I dont get it.

What is the point of putting Rhinos, Razorbacks etc. as Fast Attack choices? Especially when this is overridden by them being available to infantry in the Troops, HS section etc. as dedicated transports?

I assume this now officially *allows* you to just buy one without attachment to any squad as opposed to previously when you couldnt just buy something from the dedicated transport section without buying it through a squad?

If so, what use do Rhinos, Razorbacks etc. have when bought as FA choices except simply occupying a valuable slot? Sure, they'd allow anyone to begin the game inside them, but dont all the guys who need transports, already have options to get these?


I assume this ties nicely into the "allies can now use your transports" mechanic in 7th, so if you buy a Rhino as FA choice, it is usually to let a bunch of Ratlings ride into battle etc.?

It just adds a little flexibility for the units that can't buy a transport, and while it's situational, I think it's better to have it and rarely use it than to have no option at all.

Because they want to buff Eldar even more when the new DE codex comes out. Assault transports for everyone

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Because they want to buff Eldar even more when the new DE codex comes out. Assault transports for everyone

Ummm...not the only ones getting buffed. Drop Pods for everyone thanks to SW update (perhaps most relevant to GK since they don't have any though)

Certain heavy transports (LRs, Battlewagons...) were available as Heavy Support and dedicated transport choices before. It makes sense to have a similar option for light transports too.

 w0lfgang7 wrote:
Ummm...not the only ones getting buffed. Drop Pods for everyone thanks to SW update (perhaps most relevant to GK since they don't have any though)

I'm being silly, but I guess my point is that every army with Battle Brothers is getting a significant buff with these changes.

Just when you thought 7th edition was here to fix 6th's shenanigans.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Just when you thought 7th edition was here to fix 6th's shenanigans.

It’s not like every edition fixes some old shenanigans and replaces them with new ones…

Oh wait! That’s exactly what happens!

There are some nice perks for being able to buy them a la carte. You can just pick up empty pods to boost your count, or grab a spare razorback so both half of a marine squad can be in a transport. But the exploits that get opened up overwhelm the cool, fluffy, stuff you can do IMHO.

Who doesn't like the idea of Tigurius and grav cents in a pod? Oh yea, my opponents. Personally I'm happy with the change. It allows units that didn't have transports before to take one, it allows more creative lists and it makes allies better.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Certain heavy transports (LRs, Battlewagons...) were available as Heavy Support and dedicated transport choices before. It makes sense to have a similar option for light transports too.

Winner. The transition away from only Troops being able to secure objectives probably also contributed to there no longer being a need for a Dedicated Transport section.

How's it shenanigans? It makes total complete sense.
If the SAS picked up some american Navy Seals, the Seals wouldn't suddenly burst into flames because they boarded an SAS transport...
People in 6th also complained that you couldn't use allies transports for your squads if taking said allies. Now they are fixing that, people are complaining.

'Cause consistency is for pussies.

Because it lets people ally them in or bring them Unbound.

It lets the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force exist.

It lets people play Guard as ODSTs by taking SW Drop Pods and Tempestus Scions.

And so on and so forth.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because it lets people ally them in or bring them Unbound.

It lets the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force exist.

It lets people play Guard as ODSTs by taking SW Drop Pods and Tempestus Scions.

And so on and so forth.

Unless your chaos, who is as usual screwed by updates to the Imperium Battle Brothers.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because it lets people ally them in or bring them Unbound.

It lets the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force exist.

It lets people play Guard as ODSTs by taking SW Drop Pods and Tempestus Scions.

And so on and so forth.

Unless your chaos, who is as usual screwed by updates to the Imperium Battle Brothers.

Put your pink horrors in a rhino and shoot out the top! Or your plaguebearers for speed! Your daemonettes in a land raider!

Or not, because the transport being exploded would probably kill more than just getting shot at!

I have been thinking about the trend and Howling Banshees in a Dark Eldar Raider.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because it lets people ally them in or bring them Unbound.

It lets the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force exist.

It lets people play Guard as ODSTs by taking SW Drop Pods and Tempestus Scions.

And so on and so forth.

And it breaks the game. For every one fluffy use of allies and its shinnanigans there are ten power breaks and abusive elements. Also there are some units that were specificslly designed and pointed as such because of their transport limitations.

 Jayden63 wrote:


And it breaks the game. For every one fluffy use of allies and its shinnanigans there are ten power breaks and abusive elements. Also there are some units that were specificslly designed and pointed as such because of their transport limitations.

Given GW's quality control, I highly doubt that any unit that was specifically designed with transport limitations is pointed correctly (as they are a subset of 'all GW units', which tend to be pointed incorrectly).

I honestly think that GW has thrown up their hands and given up on preventing power breaks or abusive elements. They want cool, fluffy armies, and it's just too much work to figure out ways to enable that without permitting all the shenanigans. Poor little dears.


In defense of these units moving to Fast Attack, though, there is a consistency to having every unit assigned a unit category (oh, wait, they didn't do it for all of them ).
Also in defense of this, being able to take a Rhino/Razorback as a Fast Attack choice has consequences in a Battle Forged Army, in terms of limiting your selections for your detachment. And in terms of an Unbound Army, it's probably one of the least abusive things you can do.

What's this? Share for those that live under a rock. Cite sources for verification.

Its entirely for the purposes of the 'unbound' mechanic.

All barriers to prevent models (especially high profit ones like vehicles :-p ) are being removed.

All models can be legally taken in all armies. Why should dedicated transports be exempt.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because it lets people ally them in or bring them Unbound.

It lets the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force exist.

It lets people play Guard as ODSTs by taking SW Drop Pods and Tempestus Scions.

And so on and so forth.

Unless your chaos, who is as usual screwed by updates to the Imperium Battle Brothers.

Put your pink horrors in a rhino and shoot out the top! Or your plaguebearers for speed! Your daemonettes in a land raider!

Or not, because the transport being exploded would probably kill more than just getting shot at!

Still rather annoyed that CSM can't even join Daemon units, it's like they decided to cause issues between the battle brothers even though there's no horrific combinations between the two.

Also plaguebearers in rhino's would work...If they let you assault out of them, as it is it's feh, half of the CSM army still is screwed over by that horrific rule change.

I think the reason they got rid of the dedicated transport section is because they don't want any obstacle (such as not having a unit that can go in a transport) stopping people buying a product.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
What's this? Share for those that live under a rock. Cite sources for verification.

They got rid of the DT in the Ork, SW and GK dexes. So the only armies that can benefit from it until other dexes come out are IoM armies as only battle brothers can board the transports.

It goes like this: either go unbound or take SW or GK allies. Take a drop pod from the fast attack section (no longer DT) put another squad inside (say grav cents/ scions/ demolitions teams etc.) Now they can use that trnasport.

Dedicated transports for everyone:

Drop Pod (SW) for Purifiers.
Combat squadded Marine unit each of which in a transport (dedicated and FA).

Our group is already discussing the current trend and we are thinking of allowing any Dedicated Transport to be taken as a FA Choice.

I think its great trend it allows more open transports seemingly working together. I mean 2 armies working on the same battle field do not go hay you cannot ride in my rhino they go jump in lets go. The battle bros in 7th is the largest game change to 40k in years and now you can have Lom rolling together ect just like they actually would. They would not go o your a different chapter there for we only work together x way i mean i think the leader ship stuff needs a change as well that if your warlord in your primary is in charge the other factions do not get the bonus of the faction they are in but get some kind of bonus for the big hq's. like an army with the blood angels running Dante ( or any chapter master this is just an example) and allies with imperial guard get some type of fearless or will not run away if moral breaks. Same with other like demons with a CSM ally get some type of bonus based on the demon they are working with. Like CSM getting a bonus to winning an assault if allied with a Korne demon primary detachments.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Our group is already discussing the current trend and we are thinking of allowing any Dedicated Transport to be taken as a FA Choice.

Thing is that means LRs can be taken as FA (BA & BT) and wave serpents wouldn't need the DA 'tax'.

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Our group is already discussing the current trend and we are thinking of allowing any Dedicated Transport to be taken as a FA Choice.

Thing is that means LRs can be taken as FA (BA & BT) and wave serpents wouldn't need the DA 'tax'.

That is why we are still talking about it.
With Blood Angels we are probably going to make Lander Raiders a Heavy Choice. As far as the Wave Serpent we are not sure yet either, but we have no Eldar player so...

No it does not. Land raiders are a heavy look at the codex. I love people that speculate or gripe with out ever looking at new codex or anything. Land Raider are clearly maked at the top of there page as a heavy Support. So yes if you had an extra heavy slot you can field a Land raider. This is an Slightly new addition to 40k and will all be fixed when the armies get new codex's. we can speculate all we want but i would say a wave will probably be a heavy transport as well. If you go back to the Space marine codex it self it even has land raider listed as a heavy. Centurions cannot ride in a drop pod the only transport they have allowed in a LAND RAIDER period regardless of the allies involved.

Fireraven wrote:
No it does not. Land raiders are a heavy look at the codex. I love people that speculate or gripe with out ever looking at new codex or anything. Land Raider are clearly maked at the top of there page as a heavy Support. So yes if you had an extra heavy slot you can field a Land raider. This is an Slightly new addition to 40k and will all be fixed when the armies get new codex's. we can speculate all we want but i would say a wave will probably be a heavy transport as well. If you go back to the Space marine codex it self it even has land raider listed as a heavy.

In the SM Codex, yes, however, BA can only take Land Raiders as a DT. They do not have access to them as a non-DT.

Centurions cannot ride in a drop pod the only transport they have allowed in a LAND RAIDER period regardless of the allies involved.

The only transport they can purchase as dedicated is a Land Raider. Nothing restricts them from embarking in other transports, except for the transport itself, such as Rhinos or Razorbacks. If you really wanted to you could have a few of them pile into an AM Chimera.