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We'll get pointy Alves and a trailer for their Marine TV show. I don't expect much more beyond teasers for reveals at the next event.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not the thread for DA or GSC tactics.

Theories on PA reveals at LVO? Anyone got any ideas?

Presumably we'll be told about the upcoming Saga of the Beast. which'll proably be Space Wolves and Orks.

Last year at LVO was the first preview for Shadowspear in terms of 40k content.

Perhaps there's going to be a similar box for Orks vs SW? One can dream.

Either way, they're going to have their work cut out to beat last years reveal. They have yet to get anywhere near Shadowspear level of boxed set.

a shadowspear like box would proably be big news for Orks

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Theories on PA reveals at LVO? Anyone got any ideas?

With the WHW event booked next month I'm praying we get to see new Titanicus stuff. It's been far too long without anything new.

For 40k they'll cover the rest of PA5/6 and maybe hint at what's next. Depends which of them (if any) get a Phoenix Rising style boxed set. I'm betting there's a larger AdMech release coming up, and we're getting more than just that flyer.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not the thread for DA or GSC tactics.

Theories on PA reveals at LVO? Anyone got any ideas?

I'm conflicted about the LVO preview, we know the big thing will be the high elves coming back, but it'd be unusual not to have some sizeable 40k previews as well but I don't feel 2-3 one off characters really is enough imo. I imagine we'll get the next 3 book names again and maybe a preview for Saga of the Beast's character, but I'd not be shocked if we get a codex preview in some capacity.

Dudeface wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not the thread for DA or GSC tactics.

Theories on PA reveals at LVO? Anyone got any ideas?

I'm conflicted about the LVO preview, we know the big thing will be the high elves coming back, but it'd be unusual not to have some sizeable 40k previews as well but I don't feel 2-3 one off characters really is enough imo. I imagine we'll get the next 3 book names again and maybe a preview for Saga of the Beast's character, but I'd not be shocked if we get a codex preview in some capacity.

A craftworld eldar or dark eldar codex wouldn't be a complete suprise. given we've not yet seen multipart plastic Howling Banshees yet

 captain collius wrote:
Not quite. For 55 pts I can drop a unit of Deathwing Knights within 6" throw a cyclone missile launcher on for more fire support and a character with Master of Maneuver near by and I'm wrecking things.

Death Wing can only be called in by RAVENWING BIKER units, so not speeders. Outside of that, the speeder stratagem is quite weak when you consider that DA already re-roll ones army-wide and have a great. I'd be surprised if we see any speeders besides the darkshroud.


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BrianDavion wrote:
A craftworld eldar or dark eldar codex wouldn't be a complete suprise. given we've not yet seen multipart plastic Howling Banshees yet

Not really, the contents of boxed set can take up to one year to appear solo.

 xttz wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Seems to me like a PA book featuring GsC is a prime opportunity to release the currently-unavailable Kellermorph as an individual model.

Perhaps along with the Start Collecting box mentioned in the codex almost a year ago?

Oo yeah, I forgot about that. What was it – Neophytes, Acolytes, Flag Guy and a Goliath? That's not a bad set at all.

 Jidmah wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Not quite. For 55 pts I can drop a unit of Deathwing Knights within 6" throw a cyclone missile launcher on for more fire support and a character with Master of Maneuver near by and I'm wrecking things.

Death Wing can only be called in by RAVENWING BIKER units, so not speeders. Outside of that, the speeder stratagem is quite weak when you consider that DA already re-roll ones army-wide and have a great. I'd be surprised if we see any speeders besides the darkshroud.


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BrianDavion wrote:
A craftworld eldar or dark eldar codex wouldn't be a complete suprise. given we've not yet seen multipart plastic Howling Banshees yet

Not really, the contents of boxed set can take up to one year to appear solo.

assuming they ever do....
still lacking a plastic deffcopta kit

Fingers crossed for the admech and Astra militarum getting some new stuff. Most of the Imperial guard dont even have models for their regiments.

 Spreelock wrote:
Fingers crossed for the admech and Astra militarum getting some new stuff. Most of the Imperial guard dont even have models for their regiments.

Admech is known to be getting a flier, as for AM regiments, I'm not sure that'll be in the cards, plastic is much more expensive to produce then metal so..

BrianDavion wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
Fingers crossed for the admech and Astra militarum getting some new stuff. Most of the Imperial guard dont even have models for their regiments.

Admech is known to be getting a flier, as for AM regiments, I'm not sure that'll be in the cards, plastic is much more expensive to produce then metal so..

Yeah, it could be a problem with producing all the models, and such a wide range of models is hard for stores to shelv.

Abaddon was the "big" reveal at last LVO, I'm assuming Teclis is taking that role this year.
For 40k I'd say we'll get a look at either the next 2 PA books, or maybe that blurred image of bikes/landspeeders.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Not quite. For 55 pts I can drop a unit of Deathwing Knights within 6" throw a cyclone missile launcher on for more fire support and a character with Master of Maneuver near by and I'm wrecking things.

Death Wing can only be called in by RAVENWING BIKER units, so not speeders. Outside of that, the speeder stratagem is quite weak when you consider that DA already re-roll ones army-wide and have a great. I'd be surprised if we see any speeders besides the darkshroud.


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BrianDavion wrote:
A craftworld eldar or dark eldar codex wouldn't be a complete suprise. given we've not yet seen multipart plastic Howling Banshees yet

Not really, the contents of boxed set can take up to one year to appear solo.

assuming they ever do....
still lacking a plastic deffcopta kit

That's something entirely different though. Starter set sprues like that never did make it into separate boxes though - the models from Dark Imperium or Dark Vengeance never made it to box sets either. If their units are available, it's from completely different models.

 bullyboy wrote:
Abaddon was the "big" reveal at last LVO, I'm assuming Teclis is taking that role this year.
For 40k I'd say we'll get a look at either the next 2 PA books, or maybe that blurred image of bikes/landspeeders.

Just throwing this out there, but the quote used for the reveals:

LVO will also see a thrilling Warhammer Preview, packed with reveals, teases and cool stuff you didn’t even know you wanted to see – not least pointy aelves! There’ll also be some equally huge news for Warhammer 40,000.

Possible that it's just marketing speak, but it might also be something significant.

 Jidmah wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Not quite. For 55 pts I can drop a unit of Deathwing Knights within 6" throw a cyclone missile launcher on for more fire support and a character with Master of Maneuver near by and I'm wrecking things.

Death Wing can only be called in by RAVENWING BIKER units, so not speeders. Outside of that, the speeder stratagem is quite weak when you consider that DA already re-roll ones army-wide and have a great. I'd be surprised if we see any speeders besides the darkshroud.


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BrianDavion wrote:
A craftworld eldar or dark eldar codex wouldn't be a complete suprise. given we've not yet seen multipart plastic Howling Banshees yet

Not really, the contents of boxed set can take up to one year to appear solo.

assuming they ever do....
still lacking a plastic deffcopta kit

That's something entirely different though. Starter set sprues like that never did make it into separate boxes though - the models from Dark Imperium or Dark Vengeance never made it to box sets either. If their units are available, it's from completely different models.

Took a year and a half for the Broodlord to go from the Deathstorm boxset to general release though, and about the same for Eldrad so long waits are nothing new.

 Imateria wrote:

Took a year and a half for the Broodlord to go from the Deathstorm boxset to general release though, and about the same for Eldrad so long waits are nothing new.

Eldrad, Broodlord, etc are individual sprues that were designed to be sold by themselves and got bundled into a battlebox first.
Dark Imperium, Battle For Maccragge, Black Reach, etc are starter sets where sprues have mixed items.

They are two very different concepts and setups.

 Nazrak wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Seems to me like a PA book featuring GsC is a prime opportunity to release the currently-unavailable Kellermorph as an individual model.

Perhaps along with the Start Collecting box mentioned in the codex almost a year ago?

Oo yeah, I forgot about that. What was it – Neophytes, Acolytes, Flag Guy and a Goliath? That's not a bad set at all.

Yes please a bundle box that includes acolytes and a goliath...holy crap why do the "unit spammin'est" factions not have good discount boxes?

the_scotsman wrote:

Yes please a bundle box that includes acolytes and a goliath...holy crap why do the "unit spammin'est" factions not have good discount boxes?

Who knows!

I've, personally, been thinking that it might be because they're reevaluating what comes in a Start Collecting set and intending on more models to come in the sets where possible.

 Spreelock wrote:
Fingers crossed for the admech and Astra militarum getting some new stuff. Most of the Imperial guard dont even have models for their regiments.

Back when the first book of Psychic Awakening came out, I assumed the Guard would get a plastic psyker for their PA release, since all of their psyker units are still only available in metal, somehow. I can't see what else small-scale they could give them, that's not a major troops + command squad + heavy weapon teams boxes release for a new regiment. Ratlings are kind of a bizarre throwback unit that few people are excited about, and I think that's the last resin-only unit in the codex, special characters notwithstanding.

Beyond that, I think the range could actually do with more brand new stuff. Looking on the webstore, the Astra Militarum section has 63 items, and that includes all the double entries from multibuild boxes (so the Baneblade / Shadowsword is there 8 times), the old Catachan and Cadian snipers, easy-fit Cadians and so on. I think there's room there for something new. What I'd also like to see is a remake of the Basilisk at long last, it's one of the last 2E era sprues still used as-is. Alas, the ship's already sailed on them making a Basilisk / Medusa / Griffon multi-box, since the Wyvern covers the tracked-mortar niche so well already.

On pure speculation:

Orks+Space Wolves in book 6 leaves Imperial Guard, Death Watch, Daemons, Necrons, Ad Mech, Custodes and Both sets of Knights. Maybe Harlequins/Sisters depending on whether they count as being "done".

I don't know. Guard+Custodes vs Daemons. Ad Mech+Death Watch versus Necrons and Knights versus Knights? Might make the last book a bit dull - but if you released it with a Knight sprue it could work.

Tyel wrote:
On pure speculation:

Orks+Space Wolves in book 6 leaves Imperial Guard, Death Watch, Daemons, Necrons, Ad Mech, Custodes and Both sets of Knights. Maybe Harlequins/Sisters depending on whether they count as being "done".

I don't know. Guard+Custodes vs Daemons. Ad Mech+Death Watch versus Necrons and Knights versus Knights? Might make the last book a bit dull - but if you released it with a Knight sprue it could work.

Sisters of Silence also.

Would not be surprised if we see Guard lumped into the Orks + Wolves book. Guard vs Orks is always a classic matchup, and the Wolves often appreciate their more mortal allies among the Guard more than the average marine.

Then we get Custodes (possibly with SoS for the full ToE), Daemons, Harlequins and AdMech, Necrons, DW. Maybe a separate book just for the Knights?

Harlequins didn't get anything in Phoenix Rising, so they still do remain.

Personally, I'm leaning towards:
-Guard+Deathwatch v Necrons
-Custodes v Daemons v Harlequins sounds plausible-ish
-AdMech+Knights v Chaos Knights+Dark Mechanicus

Hear me out on the last bit:
We've got at least one Dark Mechanicus unit right now, thanks to Blackstone Fortress. Knights, of both stripes, could use something in their list that isn't just another big walker. They keep talking about the Household Guards and the like and now Secutarii[Titan Guards] have been added into the AdMech rule lists(Skorpius allow for transporting them) but are a FW item currently. Wouldn't be shocked to see Secutarii added for the Imperial Knights+AdMech and a similar unit for the Chaos Knights+Dark Mechanicus.

Alternatively, if they go Xenarite focused like they have been for AdMech lately(Both Kill Teams and Vigilus focused on Stygies instead of Mars)?

-AdMech vs Harlequins vs Necrons
-Knights v Knights
-Custodes v Daemons

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Yes please a bundle box that includes acolytes and a goliath...holy crap why do the "unit spammin'est" factions not have good discount boxes?

Who knows!

I've, personally, been thinking that it might be because they're reevaluating what comes in a Start Collecting set and intending on more models to come in the sets where possible.

Boy I hope so. The biggest problem with SC sets is that they were basically a band-aid on the pain of selling plastic character models for as low (I gak you not here) as they have been.

That price that they've been charging for those special primaris characters? You know, the ones that don't come in SC sets or box sets because there's just no goddamn possible way that they could come up with that many combinations of intercessors and hellblasteronis and incisors and incontinents, that are 40$?

That's the price point those things have to be to make the same money that other sprue investments make at expected sales volume levels. Expected SPACE MARINE sales volume levels.

They offset that by giving you the character for free if you agree to buy a few other models bundled together. SC boxes are the reason that the techpriest dominos and necron cryptkeepers and gsc helen kelermorphs aren't 40$ a pop too.

But that kind of leads them to be not a super great thing to continue collecting, because after say, two of them, you have all of that character you need. No GSC player actually needs 2 of flagman mc"he just comes in the goddamn acolyte box you idiot whyd you pay 25$ for that guy" so the value of the kits inside need to provide you savings on top of the character being literally free.

The best way to do that is make SC boxes be the things you need dozens of kits of to make an army. Which makes them blander, but more broadly useful. And do your best to make the character that gets included in it something that you'll need many multiples of.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Harlequins didn't get anything in Phoenix Rising, so they still do remain.

Personally, I'm leaning towards:
-Guard+Deathwatch v Necrons
-Custodes v Daemons v Harlequins sounds plausible-ish
-AdMech+Knights v Chaos Knights+Dark Mechanicus

Hear me out on the last bit:
We've got at least one Dark Mechanicus unit right now, thanks to Blackstone Fortress. Knights, of both stripes, could use something in their list that isn't just another big walker. They keep talking about the Household Guards and the like and now Secutarii[Titan Guards] have been added into the AdMech rule lists(Skorpius allow for transporting them) but are a FW item currently. Wouldn't be shocked to see Secutarii added for the Imperial Knights+AdMech and a similar unit for the Chaos Knights+Dark Mechanicus.

Alternatively, if they go Xenarite focused like they have been for AdMech lately(Both Kill Teams and Vigilus focused on Stygies instead of Mars)?

-AdMech vs Harlequins vs Necrons
-Knights v Knights
-Custodes v Daemons

There's a bit off fluff from one of the currently released books (I think it's FnF, but dont quote me on that) regarding an entire Watch Fortress being mobilized to assist against an Ork incursion. Unsure if that points to a joint appearance in the Wolfs v Orks book, or just a bit of scene setting.

On the astra miltarum/gsc news conondrum.

I'll give you interesing axes of reflection.

Renegade and heretics army (outisde of forgeworld) is rumored to be a thing in the future

There is a bunch of units shared by these three factions.
Each of them revolves arround a core of standard imperial platoons and armored support both from a fluff and board perspective.

Then you add specific rules for each faction and signature units and differents allies.

-gsc units
- penal legions/ ministorum fanatics
- imperial signature units and factions ( death korps, heavy artillery, super heavy tanks ...)
- renegade signature units.
- tempestus

Now you factor allies for each faction and you have three very distinct factions with their own personality.

It's important for GW if they want to optimise sales.
In fact the way gsc were handled is mostly a mistake.

20 man acolyte units as troop and best choice is dumb. Acolyte and hybrids are Packed as elite and are very pricey inside a xenos army wich is not top selling. This has been discuted many times already.

Allowing broodbrother to include acolytes, hybrids, neophytes or aberrants with differents bonus rules (improve A, reroll moral, improve ws, special ds, charge reroll etc) boost both sales and look beter on the table.
Keep full acolytes/aberrants squads as elites.
Give gsc vehicules creeds benefits for flavor. Orders on infantry are replaced by the addition of special units inside them.
For exemple 15 man Brotherhood squad with 5 acolytes inside, 2 saw and + 1A for broodbrothers. Less vesatility , more starting power is the deal.
For vehicles orders are replaced by ambush/flankind/scout and gsc stratagem like blowing, ignore damage chart, and everything tricky you can imagine.

I think GW is aware of this mistake.

Considering they could be thinking on renegades wich have the same core units there is a good chance that gsc will be handled the same way.

Core units, army wide faction rules, dataslates with differents options and minor adjustments but based on the same unit, signature units, different allies.

Militarum will be a core faction in addition of being a soup faction. Wich is perfectly ok and can boost sales up to marines level.

I am not an eldar prophet, i don't work for GW, but i think there is signs and this is the next logical step to take.

On the temporality,
From my point of view you should make renegade and heretics first.
New army is usualy top seller for few month by itself. Factoring chaos soup potential increases the odds.
Then you go for the astra militarum codex 2 or 3 month after that shuffling cards again and finaly you realese GSC codex.

If 9th edition is out this summer and codexes starts to pop out again and assuming at least 3 faction deseperatly need a new codex this will push us to summer 2021 on a realistic scale.
If you worship the hive mind next january is my best bet.

You need to factor 2 thing. Gsc is very dependent on astra militarum for broodbrothers units dataslates so both realese could be close to each other.
Tyranids with their relativly old codex are eager to get a new one wich is by ricochet an update for cult gameplay (from gw perspective).

Conclusion i hope the tome of psychic awakening about gsc will bring new and differents playstyle options because there is slight chances that we ll be stuck with it for a looong time.

 Jidmah wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Not quite. For 55 pts I can drop a unit of Deathwing Knights within 6" throw a cyclone missile launcher on for more fire support and a character with Master of Maneuver near by and I'm wrecking things.

Death Wing can only be called in by RAVENWING BIKER units, so not speeders. Outside of that, the speeder stratagem is quite weak when you consider that DA already re-roll ones army-wide and have a great. I'd be surprised if we see any speeders besides the darkshroud.

Thanks for the correction.

You will see speeders. Specifically talon masters. And probably a few others in strict ravenwing armies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We'll get pointy Alves and a trailer for their Marine TV show. I don't expect much more beyond teasers for reveals at the next event.

I think we may see a model or two. Simply because the Sphinx and Formorian were shown off months before their release (which is still up in the air, at least from the customer side, but probably soon). Unfortunately, it may just be teclis (progress from the art and silhouette), and not what the actual range of pointy elves looks like.

And probably whichever PA special character is next, tossed out to chum the waters.