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2014/12/12 16:02:58
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
A new report on sexual assault released today by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) officially puts to bed the bogus statistic that one in five women on college campuses are victims of sexual assault. In fact, non-students are 25 percent more likely to be victims of sexual assault than students, according to the data. And the real number of assault victims is several orders of magnitude lower than one-in-five.
The full study, which was published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division within DOJ, found that rather than one in five female college students becoming victims of sexual assault, the actual rate is 6.1 per 1,000 students, or 0.61 percent (instead of 1-in-5, the real number is 0.03-in-5). For non-students, the rate of sexual assault is 7.6 per 1,000 people.
The higher rate of victimization among non-students is important due in large part to recent accusations that U.S. colleges and universities are hotbeds of so-called “rape culture,” where sexual assault is endemic, and administrators and other students are happy to look the other way. The bogus “1 in 5″ statistic, which was the product of a highly suspect survey of only two universities and which paid respondents for their answers, has been repeatedly used as evidence of this pervasive rape culture on college campuses across the country.
Even more striking is that according to the BJS data, the likelihood of sexual assault has actually been trending downward across the board since 1997.
More at link.
I would have preferred a more impartial source, but the data seems legit.
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2014/12/12 16:10:31
Subject: Re:DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
There was once a debate here where someone brought up the trope that half of all marriages end in divorce. I was fairly confident that wasn't true - I am pretty sure that the numbers are badly skewed by people who get divorced and remarry repeatedly, like Larry King - so I did some quick research. I was surprised just how difficult it was to answer what seems to be a pretty simple question to me; methodology varied so wildly from survey to survey.
I've always thought one in five seemed a really high number, but I am equally confident that 0.03 in five is really, really low.
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2014/12/12 16:17:12
Subject: Re:DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
Anyone else giggle at "bjs.gov" in a link to a sexual assault report? Cause I'm not above admitting I did....
As for the report I think less than 1% is extremely low. That said 20% is insanely high. My guess is true assaults probably do fall into the 5%-7% range with a much lower number being reported.
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2014/12/12 16:28:43
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
Hulksmash wrote: Anyone else giggle at "bjs.gov" in a link to a sexual assault report? Cause I'm not above admitting I did....
As for the report I think less than 1% is extremely low. That said 20% is insanely high. My guess is true assaults probably do fall into the 5%-7% range with a much lower number being reported.
I think you're on the right track here. The numbers are excessively difficult to use because there's so much unknown when it comes to reporting rates. Personally, my estimate is that the 5-7% is about right for reported, but if you could magically see the unreported claims, it would jump to around 10-12%.
This is just one paper though, not sure how well it was peer reviewed. And coming from the DoJ, which we all know has plenty of issues lately in actually doing Justice, should be taken with a grain of salt.
Another aspect is that site it's linked on.
They literally have an article about how women should feel sexually empowered from men oggling, catcalling, and “appreciating” them as they walk down the street, in response to that video that popped up on recently that showed a woman just walking down the street in NY.
For a topic like this, where the data is really hazy due to bad reporting, stigmas against reporting, and a known lack of action once a report happens, it's going to take a lot more study.
Like others in this thread, I don't particularly believe that everywhere on campuses are cesspits of rape and misogyny, but I've seen first hand how hard these things can be to track.
Vertrucio wrote: They literally have an article about how women should feel sexually empowered from men oggling, catcalling, and “appreciating” them as they walk down the street, in response to that video that popped up on recently that showed a woman just walking down the street in NY.
I'd feel sexually empowered if I got those things from women as I'm walking down the street. I do any time an attractive woman starts conversation with me at a bar.
Not gay, but I might even feel the same way from men. Don't know.
I'm not dictating how anyone SHOULD feel. Just stating an anecdote.
daedalus wrote: I'd feel sexually empowered if I got those things from women as I'm walking down the street.
Sure, the first time you would. Certainly the second too. If that happened to you all the time, your views may be different. As a matter of fact, in our society, the expected roles of men and women when it come to finding a partner are very different. It is certainly one of the area where we still have the biggest differences. Therefore, it is not that easy to put yourself on your potential partner's shoes.
This is something I envy homosexual people for. Because for them, there are no different expected roles, they are just the same.
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2014/12/12 17:19:54
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
daedalus wrote: I'd feel sexually empowered if I got those things from women as I'm walking down the street.
Sure, the first time you would. Certainly the second too. If that happened to you all the time, your views may be different. As a matter of fact, in our society, the expected roles of men and women when it come to finding a partner are very different. It is certainly one of the area where we still have the biggest differences. Therefore, it is not that easy to put yourself on your potential partner's shoes.
This is something I envy homosexual people for. Because for them, there are no different expected roles, they are just the same.
Eh, maybe. I still think it would make me more inclined to wear my high heels more often. They make my butt look awesome.
daedalus wrote: Eh, maybe. I still think it would make me more inclined to wear my high heels more often. They make my butt look awesome.
I don't see how you could in good conscience post a thing like that without pics.
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2014/12/12 17:43:45
Subject: Re:DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
There was once a debate here where someone brought up the trope that half of all marriages end in divorce. I was fairly confident that wasn't true - I am pretty sure that the numbers are badly skewed by people who get divorced and remarry repeatedly, like Larry King - so I did some quick research. I was surprised just how difficult it was to answer what seems to be a pretty simple question to me; methodology varied so wildly from survey to survey.
I've always thought one in five seemed a really high number, but I am equally confident that 0.03 in five is really, really low.
Yeah numbers are tricky.
I'd personally be more inclined to think 0.03 further from the mark than 20%. Just given my own social groups I'd say maybe about 10% or so of women I know have talked about sexual assault they've experienced at some point. Assuming not every woman I know who has experienced a sexual assault has told me about it, that number has to be a bit higher.
There have been times where I've heard a woman described being raped but not framed it as such. I imagine some don't report because they can't or don't want to conceptualize themselves as a victim.
Yeah, anecdotes don't mean much in the long run but I either have to assume that the view of the world I've gotten is a massive outlier, or that the numbers that run a bit closer to what I've seen are the better ones.
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2014/12/12 20:20:19
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
In my personal experience, among friends and family who talk about these things, the numbers are shockingly high. In college, I used to think I had bartender-face because so many people would tell me disturbingly personal things without any solicitation. Also, many of the women and men Inknew who were assaulted at a younger age ended up being assaulted again later on by other persons.
Oh. Maybe I was wrong then. But at least you get to choose which role you want to take, no?
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2014/12/13 02:29:08
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
I'd feel sexually empowered if I got those things from women as I'm walking down the street. I do any time an attractive woman starts conversation with me at a bar.
Starting a conversation is not equivalent to catcalling or ogling. The latter two quickly become annoying regardless of sex or gender.
Not gay, but I might even feel the same way from men. Don't know.
I'm going to guess you wouldn't. I've been to gay bars with a couple of my girlfriends before, and having to repeat "I'm flattered, but not interested.", "I'm not interested.", and "I'm not gay, this is my girlfriend." got very old very quickly; especially when the latter was followed by something lewd.
Now this obviously isn't indicative of the behavior of the whole of the homosexual population with respect to members of their preferred sex, but I chose to put myself in that situation. Women who get repeatedly harassed walking down the street, buying groceries, or just going about their day-to-day lives do not have the option I had.
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2014/12/13 05:23:06
Subject: DOJ: Sexual Assaults in College Much Lower Then Believed
The full study, which was published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division within DOJ, found that rather than one in five female college students becoming victims of sexual assault, the actual rate is 6.1 per 1,000 students, or 0.61 percent (instead of 1-in-5, the real number is 0.03-in-5). For non-students, the rate of sexual assault is 7.6 per 1,000 people.
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