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kabaakaba wrote:
doesn't most IG vechicles are older then orks? i mean all chimeras derivatives, even baneblade

The Baneblade and variants are from the 4th ed Apocalypse release. That was around 2006.

The Chimera and Leman Russ chassis got a recut sprue in 6th ed or 7th ed, partially with updates to the sculpts like the Leman Russ turret design. GW notably retained the 2nd ed Basilisk parts and I believe the 3rd ed or 4th ed vehicle upgrade sprue to build it on the redone Chimera chassis.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

That at least has been rumoured to get an update with a new Corsair sub-faction range, possibly early next year.

Grey Knights:

Looks like the new Dreadknight kit comes with chest mounted grenade harness kind of like a bigger Centurion. Hammer still seems like the best melee option.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Grey Knights:

Looks like the new Dreadknight kit comes with chest mounted grenade harness kind of like a bigger Centurion. Hammer still seems like the best melee option.

I just hope they give the army a reason to do something other than six baby carriers.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

How do you improve on perfection?

 BorderCountess wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Grey Knights:

Looks like the new Dreadknight kit comes with chest mounted grenade harness kind of like a bigger Centurion. Hammer still seems like the best melee option.

I just hope they give the army a reason to do something other than six baby carriers.

I'm hoping that they break up the datasheets and allow you to field more than that.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

How do you improve on perfection?

Switch from the leather bomber jackets to guardian armor to match the rest of the range?

Make it a duel kit with a small open topped transport?

Use modern sprue techniques to pack more onto the frames?

Sharpen soft detail?

I love the old kits. Aesthetically they still stand as quality. But they need a recut.

If I were updating the vyper I'd give it a more stocky middle and underside. The model itself always feels like there's a detailed cockpit and gun but no engine or body to the flier to make it carry the weight of the other parts.

It is one of the models where if GW did update it I'd not expect a wholesale change. Perhaps a new gun type or two; the option of a light transport build maybe; or perhaps something like a single gun on rotation or a heavier gun with fixed fire arcs.

My issue with the vyper is it looks like an old fashioned door chock. Just a big ol chunky wedge.

This is partly because it unnecessarily has 2 crew.

IMO it should be sleeker like a harlequin void weaver and have a twinlinked gun on a wave serpent style turret, with the underslung gun as normal.

I think tandem is fine; but yes changing the driver from a seat to a saddle like on the bikes would instantly allow it to look sleeker and save space that the seat otherwise eats up.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

How do you improve on perfection?

Switch from the leather bomber jackets to guardian armor to match the rest of the range?

But they earn those leather bomber jackets after 4 hard years of flying and being on the JV squad. Except from 79-81 when the jackets were not issued. Also they get to keep it when they retire.

 Overread wrote:
I think tandem is fine; but yes changing the driver from a seat to a saddle like on the bikes would instantly allow it to look sleeker and save space that the seat otherwise eats up.

The Vyper isnt a tandem bike like the Shroudrunners or Harlequin bikes, its a light skimmer like the Venom or Voidweaver. It just needs to have a larger hull for transporting like the latter two, with Craftworld styling- it should be basically the same base vehicle for all 3 factions, but with their own styling and weapons.

 Hellebore wrote:
My issue with the vyper is it looks like an old fashioned door chock. Just a big ol chunky wedge.

This is partly because it unnecessarily has 2 crew.

IMO it should be sleeker like a harlequin void weaver and have a twinlinked gun on a wave serpent style turret, with the underslung gun as normal.

A sleek one-crew Vyper with a twin-linked gun is pretty much a Hornet.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

How do you improve on perfection?

Switch from the leather bomber jackets to guardian armor to match the rest of the range?

Make it a duel kit with a small open topped transport?

Use modern sprue techniques to pack more onto the frames?

Sharpen soft detail?

I love the old kits. Aesthetically they still stand as quality. But they need a recut.

In 2nd Ed, it could serve as a chariot of sorts, swapping out the gun cradle for a fighting platform.

The Venom and Starweaver have already done the 'transport Vyper'. Not that I expect that level of redundancy to give GW pause, but still...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Venom and Starweaver have already done the 'transport Vyper'. Not that I expect that level of redundancy to give GW pause, but still...

It shouldn't, as it feels like the whole point is that it is a single Aeldari vehicle that has just been aesthetically tweaked for each of the three branches, as all three can use the same capabilities.

The original Codex Eldar back in 2e had Vypers as character transports. There was supposed to be a fighting platform to replace the upper gun mount. They should bring that back.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The original Codex Eldar back in 2e had Vypers as character transports. There was supposed to be a fighting platform to replace the upper gun mount. They should bring that back.

I agree! They should lean back into the Space Chariot aspect. Maybe make a new kit with gun options (as normal) and a new Autarch that is completely compatible with the other plastic Autarch kits. That way, even if you make it a Shooty Vyper, you can still use the Autarch on foot.

It'd be like printing money.