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According to that link, for the work blocked, one of the co-chairmen for Sony pictures said in an email earlier this year, that she wants Idris Elba to be the next Bond.
I don't know about the rest of Dakka, but I find the idea fething ludicrous.... James Bond isn't "The Doctor" who can/does change appearances and personality every so often. I could get behind the idea of him playing 007, but not James Bond particularly (perhaps a movie where, tired of his gak, M finally grounds Bond permanently, but before they can do so, he has to train his replacement "00" agent).
thedarkavenger wrote: is now getting that changed by a film company to be a black guy.
No. Calm down and re-read the story. It is just a note from a person that think something would be a good idea to them. Imagine if every time someone on Dakka proffered what they thought would be cool or a good idea became a story that people assumed was true.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
It's a bit misguided to ask that the property be left as Fleming wrote it, James Bond films bare little relations to the source material, they're more like a parody. The suave, jokey guy with lots of gadgets isn't the Bond of the novels, the plots aren't much the same either.
Howard A Treesong wrote: It's a bit misguided to ask that the property be left as Fleming wrote it, James Bond films bare little relations to the source material, they're more like a parody. The suave, jokey guy with lots of gadgets isn't the Bond of the novels, the plots aren't much the same either.
I agree, I just don't see getting worked up over a person expressing a thought in an email.
Also, while I like Roger Moore, I don't like the Roger Moore Bond. There I said it.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
According to that link, for the work blocked, one of the co-chairmen for Sony pictures said in an email earlier this year, that she wants Idris Elba to be the next Bond.
I don't know about the rest of Dakka, but I find the idea fething ludicrous.... James Bond isn't "The Doctor" who can/does change appearances and personality every so often. I could get behind the idea of him playing 007, but not James Bond particularly (perhaps a movie where, tired of his gak, M finally grounds Bond permanently, but before they can do so, he has to train his replacement "00" agent).
Fan theory is that James Bond is a pseudonym for whoever happens to be 007, hence all the different actors. It doesn't perfectly fit continuity, but who cares? Plus... it doesn't look so great when you say "how dare they cast a non-white actor in a movie".
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I don't see the big deal. If Idres was cast as bond I think he'll make an awesome addition to the bond legacy. Although I'd like to see him helm the captains chair in another Star Trek series.
Reminds me of when people complained about Michael Clarke Duncan being cast as Kingpin in Daredevil...
There is absolutely no requirement for James Bond to be white. All that matters is A. does he look good in a tux and B. can he say the punny lines with a straight face?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
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What relationship has Sony got to do with MGM studios anyhow?
They are apparently the "owners" above the studio.
As it stands now, I think the ONLY place where it's been mentioned that Bond is a pseudonym and not his real name was the 60s Casino Royale, which was a spoof of the original Bond movies. As such, his real name is in fact, James Bond. I would be completely OK with Elba being cast to play "007", but not the character, James Bond himself. IMO, the only British iconic character who should be "easily" able to change appearance, personality, gender, sex, etc. is The Doctor. Doing it to James Bond makes him on par with Jason Bourne (and frankly, those were some terrible movies overall) I think that this is one character that movie makers should strive to keep as written in the original material (and as such, IMO, Daniel Craig really is as close as we've been to the source materials for personality and whatnot).
Compel wrote: I've got to say, offhand I can't even remember Daniel Craig ever cracking a joke. Maybe a dry observation at an opportune moment, but a joke. Nah.
What relationship has Sony got to do with MGM studios anyhow?
Dry observation is real Bond. He's a trained killer, not a comedian on tour
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As it stands now, I think the ONLY place where it's been mentioned that Bond is a pseudonym and not his real name was the 60s Casino Royale,
On Her Majesty's Secret Service had a slight nod towards it, as well. George Lazenby comments early on in the film "This never happened to the other fellow."
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I'd have more time for the idea that its perfectly OK to randomly change the race or gender of long established fictional characters if it applied across the board and not just to characters traditionaly written as white males.
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Ouze wrote: I think Idris Elba is a great actor and as such would make a great Bond. I love his performances in Luther, as well as obviously in The Wire.
As it stands now, I think the ONLY place where it's been mentioned that Bond is a pseudonym and not his real name was the 60s Casino Royale,
On Her Majesty's Secret Service had a slight nod towards it, as well. George Lazenby comments early on in the film "This never happened to the other fellow."
I believe that was a fourth wall break...and just a cheeky comment to the audience about change of cast.
thedarkavenger wrote: is now getting that changed by a film company to be a black guy.
No. Calm down and re-read the story. It is just a note from a person that think something would be a good idea to them. Imagine if every time someone on Dakka proffered what they thought would be cool or a good idea became a story that people assumed was true.
You misunderstand my point. The whole point of Bond is that he's a parody of British Intelligence. A white Eton schoolboy given a government job. He's also based on a bunch of British WW2 spy types. Bond has an Iconic Image. He was written to look like this. How would casting Elba fit into any of that? I know it's probably not true. I was lamenting on the fact that it might be.
According to that link, for the work blocked, one of the co-chairmen for Sony pictures said in an email earlier this year, that she wants Idris Elba to be the next Bond.
I don't know about the rest of Dakka, but I find the idea fething ludicrous.... James Bond isn't "The Doctor" who can/does change appearances and personality every so often. I could get behind the idea of him playing 007, but not James Bond particularly (perhaps a movie where, tired of his gak, M finally grounds Bond permanently, but before they can do so, he has to train his replacement "00" agent).
Fan theory is that James Bond is a pseudonym for whoever happens to be 007, hence all the different actors. It doesn't perfectly fit continuity, but who cares? Plus... it doesn't look so great when you say "how dare they cast a non-white actor in a movie".
His name is actually Bond. Hence the codename. It's in the Fleming books.He was quoted as saying, "When I wrote the first one in 1953, I wanted Bond to be an extremely dull, uninteresting man to whom things happened; I wanted him to be a blunt instrument ... when I was casting around for a name for my protagonist I thought by God, [James Bond] is the dullest name I ever heard."
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Fleming also wrote a lot of incredibly ignorant things about minorities in is his books to. Sure they were of their time and I am not faulting him for it, but the idea that it has stay exactly the same for 60ish years because of how he was described back then doesn't really float.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
James Bond isn't "The Doctor" who can/does change appearances and personality every so often. ).
Uh...
Hum.....
Does one of you want to tell him, or should I?
Lol, in a topic referencing the possibility of James Bond changing races, I was talking about the recent rumblings of having a Doctor who is Ginger, female, black, asian or whatever.... that sort of change fits with the doctor, not so much with Bond.
Having the name as just a codename would explain how the same operative (what's his role again, not "secret agent", intelligence analyst or something) could be active for decades. Its a theory put forth in Casino Royale IIRC and floated about by directors, but debunked by having one Bond lament a previous Bond's dead wife. Bar that one instance that I can recall it makes sense, but that's applying some real world logic to a series of rather silly films. Personally I find it to be a rather interesting way of handling all the different actors, which becomes rather dull by saying their all supposed to be the same ageless guy. So yeah, "crackpot" is perhaps a silly way of regarding such a theory considering its an attempt to apply some logic to a series that's sheer pulp.
I think old Bond movies have given some speculations, and nods, to the idea of "James Bond" being a code-name as much as "007" is.
But didn't Skyfall basically shoot that theory down since James Bond "actually" died with his death being made public?
On the other hand one could probably argue now that publically "James Bond" is still dead and the obituary was never retracted, so anybody could be him now...
Ouze wrote: I think Idris Elba is a great actor and as such would make a great Bond. I love his performances in Luther, as well as obviously in The Wire.
No mention of Pacific Rim???
I didn't forget he was in Pacific Rim, if that's what you're getting at
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Wyrmalla wrote: Having the name as just a codename would explain how the same operative (what's his role again, not "secret agent", intelligence analyst or something) could be active for decades. Its a theory put forth in Casino Royale IIRC and floated about by directors, but debunked by having one Bond lament a previous Bond's dead wife. Bar that one instance that I can recall it makes sense, but that's applying some real world logic to a series of rather silly films. Personally I find it to be a rather interesting way of handling all the different actors, which becomes rather dull by saying their all supposed to be the same ageless guy. So yeah, "crackpot" is perhaps a silly way of regarding such a theory considering its an attempt to apply some logic to a series that's sheer pulp.
They are all the same character played by different actors with some references to other movies in the franchise because there are others; the name is not a code name; the "Casino Royale" that puts it forward was a screwball come nor is not part of the other films. I think trying to create an imaginary chronology is dull as opposed to different takes on the same material in different time periods.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to a black Bond. Being white is in no way integral to the character.
That being said, I AM opposed to replacing Craig as Bond until he dies and turns to dust. (And even then, the replacement only serves as long as it takes to clone Craig.)
Jimsolo wrote: Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to a black Bond. Being white is in no way integral to the character.
That being said, I AM opposed to replacing Craig as Bond until he dies and turns to dust. (And even then, the replacement only serves as long as it takes to clone Craig.)
Agreed with the first part. Even at school Bond was a bit of an outcast and loner, making him black in that situation would allow for some interesting examination of race in upper class/future political class of England.
Also, I definitely like Craig as Bond, best since Connery.
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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