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Hey everyone,

Sad times here, i need to sell some of my army to pay my rent due to some unforeseen expenses.
Here is the list:

1 Swarmlord
2 Flyrants
1 Trygon
1 Converted Red Terror (Big as a HT)
1 Brood Lord
6 Gargoyles
6 Genestealers
16 Hormagaunts
10 Termagaunts
1 Tyrant Guard

Thanks a lot guys and have a great evening

Here is the listing if anyone is interested. Let me know what you think of the swarmlord!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201257721278?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

And here's the standard answer: it depends on the condition. NIB is ~80-90% of retail price, built and painted might be 50% of retail price if you're lucky and potentially "I'll give you $5 for the whole army since I'm feeling generous" if they're badly painted.

Is it painted? Built?

Yeah its all build with about 80% unpainted

Safe bet would be 40-50% retail value.

Unless you're some sort of god of painting, and even then I wouldn't push more than 60%.

depends on your paintjob. I know plenty of non-professional paintjobs on ebay that look nice (but not overwhelming or anything) who routinely charge 150% of retail for their models.

In fact, I daresay the age of "50% off retail for used armies" is long over. Only time you'll find stuff on ebay for 50-60% off is if they're literally broken aka missing an arm or leg.

Of course, if youre in a hurry and need the money now, then you wont make a good deal

Unless you're really good at painting I'd strip the miniatures. You can probably add at least 10-15% value to them if they're clean.

You won't get much unless you're willing to wait...


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Big lots don't sell fast.

Now see I have to agree with the last post.. I've been trying to sell my tau army for awhile now, retail it's over $1500 I'm offering it for $600 and still can get it to move.

 Peregrine wrote:
And here's the standard answer: it depends on the condition. NIB is ~80-90% of retail price, built and painted might be 50% of retail price if you're lucky and potentially "I'll give you $5 for the whole army since I'm feeling generous" if they're badly painted.

I disagree with the "80-90%" for NiB. Im sorry but there are plenty of everyday online sources selling NiB for 25% off. Now thats everyday pricing, so no I would not pay you the same as I need to be motivated to buy NOW and not when its convenient. I wouldnt pay more than 65% retail for anything NiB...with shipping negotiated based on size, quantity etc.

Wow 65%? Nib I'd take 70% as you're getting a better deal than these "everyday deals" for same quality product. That's justmy opinion. As I said I haven't even been able to sell my army for a little more than 60% off retail. I even was told I'm asking to much. Mind you only about 8 models have paint on them, it's a good paint job, and I have offered to include la totally awesome for stripping. Seems to me people are... Penny pinchers? I guess? Want a better deal than what's fair.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Wow 65%? Nib I'd take 70% as you're getting a better deal than these "everyday deals" for same quality product. That's justmy opinion. As I said I haven't even been able to sell my army for a little more than 60% off retail. I even was told I'm asking to much. Mind you only about 8 models have paint on them, it's a good paint job, and I have offered to include la totally awesome for stripping. Seems to me people are... Penny pinchers? I guess? Want a better deal than what's fair.

Probably because you have an entire army that people don't want to buy? Split them it into multiple lots and sell it piecemeal, so people who are just looking for a few more Firewarriors or another Broadside unit will buy them.

I understand that perfectly. I've had offers for pieces of the army. However I run the risk of not being able to sell let's say, the kroot. Now I'm stuck with kroot and have no use.. and my post wasn't about people wanting the whole army or pieces, if was about how I was told asking for a price 62% off retail was asking "to much" and was offered $245 for the whole lot.

New from store for a decent size order is 75% of MSRP, plus potentially tax. Crazy discounts, as low as 67-70% of MSRP. But then you can choose exactly what you want, or at least what the store has in stock or can quickly order. And you get to configure.

So, less than that if it is not at least a very high tabletop quality. Blacksails' 60% is probably fair if it is a clean paint job that is a desirable paint scheme (green Tyranids will tank the value, no matter how beautiful). As Peregrine puts it, bad paint job just kills it.

If the models are display or competition quality, the issue won't be value, but rather timing. There's a limited pool of buyers for models that are masterpieces.

If there is a local gaming group, start there. Maybe someone wants to pick up the faction, and woo give you reasonable coin for them in an easy sale.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Want a better deal than what's fair.

Well yes, that's how selling stuff works. I don't care about what's "fair", I care about getting the thing I want for the lowest possible price. I don't care about all the work you put into the models, I don't care how much you paid for them, I don't care how badly you need the money from selling your stuff, the only thing that matters is your price relative to the price other people are selling similar models for. If you aren't beating their price then why should I offer to give you more money? The simple fact is that 60% of retail price is pretty optimistic for models that aren't NIB, so it's entirely reasonable for a potential buyer to point that out and ask for a lower price.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I understand that perfectly. I've had offers for pieces of the army. However I run the risk of not being able to sell let's say, the kroot. Now I'm stuck with kroot and have no use.. and my post wasn't about people wanting the whole army or pieces, if was about how I was told asking for a price 62% off retail was asking "to much" and was offered $245 for the whole lot.

Without seeing the paint job and model configurations, it's pretty hard to say, bud.

 quickfuze wrote:
I disagree with the "80-90%" for NiB. Im sorry but there are plenty of everyday online sources selling NiB for 25% off. Now thats everyday pricing, so no I would not pay you the same as I need to be motivated to buy NOW and not when its convenient. I wouldnt pay more than 65% retail for anything NiB...with shipping negotiated based on size, quantity etc.

You're forgetting about direct-only stuff (which isn't available at the same discounts as "core" products), shipping costs/times, etc. And I should point out that 80-90% is an upper limit and reasonable starting point, not a guarantee that a model will sell.

 Peregrine wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
I disagree with the "80-90%" for NiB. Im sorry but there are plenty of everyday online sources selling NiB for 25% off. Now thats everyday pricing, so no I would not pay you the same as I need to be motivated to buy NOW and not when its convenient. I wouldnt pay more than 65% retail for anything NiB...with shipping negotiated based on size, quantity etc.

You're forgetting about direct-only stuff (which isn't available at the same discounts as "core" products), shipping costs/times, etc. And I should point out that 80-90% is an upper limit and reasonable starting point, not a guarantee that a model will sell.

Our local stores will actually order anything you want that isn't direct-only, and you can usually score 25% or better for a good order. I've actually gotten 31% and no tax on a $750 order, where I paid cash (no receipt). On a big order, I always haggle, and I *always* get a little more off.

Also, they get 2 GW shipments per week, so it isn't like you have long to wait.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I understand that perfectly. I've had offers for pieces of the army.

However I run the risk of not being able to sell let's say, the kroot. Now I'm stuck with kroot and have no use..

You will always get more for an army if you part it out. Or at least break it into smaller, complementary lots, such as Kroot + KrootOx.

If you sell 80% of the army at a fair price, versus none of the army at a terrible price, which is better?

 Peregrine wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Want a better deal than what's fair.

Well yes, that's how selling stuff works. I don't care about what's "fair", I care about getting the thing I want for the lowest possible price. I don't care about all the work you put into the models, I don't care how much you paid for them, I don't care how badly you need the money from selling your stuff, the only thing that matters is your price relative to the price other people are selling similar models for. If you aren't beating their price then why should I offer to give you more money? The simple fact is that 60% of retail price is pretty optimistic for models that aren't NIB, so it's entirely reasonable for a potential buyer to point that out and ask for a lower price.

I don't know if you misread, I took 62% off of retail, not offers to sell at 60% of retail

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I don't know if you misread, I took 62% off of retail, not offers to sell at 60% of retail

40% of retail price is still potentially too high depending on the condition of the models. I would never pay that much for any in-production kit that isn't NIB, and a lot of people share that opinion. It's not so unreasonably high that you have no chance of getting a buyer no matter how long you wait, but I don't see why you're so outraged that someone criticized your price and made a lower offer.

I'm not outraged I apologize if it seems that way. I was upset the price was $245 for the lot. I have considered lowering the offer to 30% retail. That's still not $245 which is closer to 15% retail.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I'm not outraged I apologize if it seems that way. I was upset the price was $245 for the lot. I have considered lowering the offer to 30% retail. That's still not $245 which is closer to 15% retail.

It's your stuff, but if you're having trouble selling it you might want to think about taking the $245 offer. 15% of retail is better than 0% of retail, which is what you might end up with if you keep hoping for someone to make you a better offer someday. And honestly, 15% of retail would be pretty generous by my standards, you'd have trouble getting my attention even at 5-10% of retail price, especially for a whole-army deal where I have to buy a bunch of stuff I might not want along with the stuff I'm interested in.

I buy big lots at 25% of retail all the time and split them up. Big lots sell for less than if you split it up. Maybe you'll have to sell the kroot for 20% but the rest will go for 40-50.

Also it's hit and miss right now especially, sure you have some kids with Christmas money...but most adult gamers..who are the targets for higher priced lots are usually a bit strapped for cash immediately following the holidays.

 Peregrine wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I'm not outraged I apologize if it seems that way. I was upset the price was $245 for the lot. I have considered lowering the offer to 30% retail. That's still not $245 which is closer to 15% retail.

It's your stuff, but if you're having trouble selling it you might want to think about taking the $245 offer. 15% of retail is better than 0% of retail, which is what you might end up with if you keep hoping for someone to make you a better offer someday. And honestly, 15% of retail would be pretty generous by my standards, you'd have trouble getting my attention even at 5-10% of retail price, especially for a whole-army deal where I have to buy a bunch of stuff I might not want along with the stuff I'm interested in.

You buy Riptide at $5-$8? Please show me where that's an epic deal

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
You buy Riptide at $5-$8? Please show me where that's an epic deal

I didn't say I buy them at that price, I said you'd have to get down to that price to even get my attention with a model that isn't NIB. If I have to strip your paint off the model before I can use it and/or take the chance of buying a model that is ruined by poor assembly then I'm not going to pay very much money. I probably wouldn't even pay $5-8 for a built/painted Riptide, especially if that doesn't include shipping, but maybe at $5 I'd have to think about it for a second before deciding it's not worth that much.

Ah so this is your standards. Not a normal one, was just wondering.

I get what Peregrine is saying, man. If I see a $5 riptide on eBay, the shipping is probably at least $10. That's $15. When I get it, I have no idea what condition it will be in. I have to strip it (on a riptide, 2 hours would be really, really quick...), hoping that I don't break anything. Lets say I made $20 an hour, that's $55 of opportunity cost. Or I could just buy retail at 25% discount for $64, and be able to model and configure it any way I want.

See what the problem is?

Let's say I make $25 an hour -- now, the whole thing falls apart. At a $40 an hour wage, any type of stripping is just throwing money away. In fact this is why it doesn't ever make sense for me to strip my own models, to repaint -- unless I'm just redoing one part (like an airbrushing error), or it's a metal mini where I can dunk it in acetone.

Now, if the Riptide is painted to codex and it's a great paint job, and it's configured the way I want it, sure, I'd give you full MSRP. If it's fully magnetized and has a competition quality paint job, *and* I wanted to field another Riptide *and* I don't want to model another one myself, I'd give you $300 and not think twice about it. This hasn't ever happened, and I would never sell any of my models (I value my time and enjoyment more than cash) -- I'm just trying to demonstrate a hypothetical scenario of a guy in a store with a nice model they wanted to sell, because they needed money, and me saying 'yes'.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Seems to me people are... Penny pinchers? I guess? Want a better deal than what's fair.

No, you just don't seem to have a good understanding of how selling works. For example what you think is fair applies to you only and has very little bearing on anyone else. The other thing is, big lots move poorly because you have to be very lucky to find someone who wants everything. People don't want to pay for the stuff you're selling that they don't want, if they want everything you have BUT the firewarriors, they're going to price those as close to $0 as they can get.

People don't typically buy whole armies at one time, and when they do, they've often got their own plan for it, which is not likely to match yours, which again puts them in a position where if you won't break up a lot, they have to buy things that have no value to them, but you are trying to get money for. Riptides might be hot models, but if I don't need three of them but want to try and get the rest of what you're selling, I'll pay something for them, but not much.

Whereas on the other hand, there's always going to be someone who will be willing to bargain much higher over one riptide. Or a single squad of whatever. Lots of people want one of something.