Incoming! Dark Eldar/ New video on page 69

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**Athera**

Just Dave wrote:You know guys, we all like the models and we know they are women so you really may want to shut up about the whole chest-size/attractiveness thing. It's both irrelevant and really doesn't help the image of war-gamers dribbling at the sight of women and many of you - not just Scott - have been on about it.

I recognise I have no real authority, but ultimately it's against the rules of Dakka and you're mewling over the breast-size of 1" tall plastic women...

The "rules" only apply to certain people.

**Kroothawk**

ProtoClone wrote:Been trying to follow the thread since page 1 and I am not sure I have seen anyone clarify the new(ish) background for the DE. Has it changed? How much has it changed?

The difference is, now they have a background

**ProtoClone**

Kroothawk wrote:
ProtoClone wrote:Been trying to follow the thread since page 1 and I am not sure I have seen anyone clarify the new(ish) background for the DE. Has it changed? How much has it changed?

The difference is, now they have a background

Yeah, and I am excited to see what they have done with them.

I am thinking of selling my SW or Tau, still deciding, to start a small force of DE or Ork.

**Lord Harrab**

Just Dave wrote:You know guys, we all like the models and we know they are women so you really may want to shut up about the whole chest-size/attractiveness thing. It's both irrelevant and really doesn't help the image of war-gamers dribbling at the sight of women and many of you - not just Scott - have been on about it.

I recognise I have no real authority, but ultimately it's against the rules of Dakka and you're mewling over the breast-size of 1" tall plastic women...

You know it's human instinct for men to admire the female form, no matter is its a woman at the bar, on the tv or in a video game, the fact is that the part of our brain that makes us "dribble over the breast size of 1" tall plastic women" doesn't care if the woman is reall or not it just goes: "Hey look! Bewbs!"

That aside i will agree that lilith (did i spell that right?) is certainly one of GW finest female models and certainly looks like i'd expect a space-elf gladiatorial campion to look like, and in regards to her lack of shoes, didn't it say in the book Dune that if involved in a knife fight on an unknown surface, bare feet is best?

**bloodaxegit**

the sail is a nice addition

**puma713**

Updated from Jes Goodwin:

Jes Goodwin wrote:Well there are enough parts to make 10 Kabalite Warriors. There are 6 male and 4 female torsos, 10 helmets, 5 bare heads [male and female], all the weapon options you need, parts for a couple of different Sybarites and lots of extras. The frame is cross compatible with the Wyches, other frames in the Dark Eldar range and even some of the Eldar plastics, plenty of scope for conversion and personalisation, so that none of your squads need be the same.

And in regards to the Wyches:

Jes Goodwin wrote:With the Kabalite Warriors defining the basic look of the Dark Eldar troops, it was time to address the other core troops of the army, the Wyches. We wanted the 'Hekatarii' to be very dynamic and to feature a range of exotic weaponry as well as a new knife design. Swords were considered initially, but it just seemed cooler and scarier if the Wyches could be lethal in close combat with just a knife. The fighting suits they wear are armoured in the style of the Kabalite Warriors, but only down one side, primarily the left shoulder and arm, gladiator style. This was also the side that would have the close combat weapon, with the pistol on the unarmoured right. Although this seemed a bit regimented, it did allow for the weapon arms to be swapped with other models in the range, particularly for the squad leaders.

The heads were a challenge. We needed lots of designs to give the models character, but the plastic moulding process makes hair difficult, and getting good female faces in a small scale is even tougher (they couldn't all be bald and male). They finished up with a lot of exotic haircuts, styled, but with barbaric decorations, pins and blades woven into them. The high collars tied the Wyches in with the Kabalite Warriors and allowed us to add the pipes, which deliver combat enhancers to the Wyches.

A nod to Combat Drugs there? ^^

Jes Goodwin wrote:Although the knife is the signature weapon of the Wych, we wanted to include a number of exotic hand blades for variety; indeed, the first Wych prototype was armed with a weighted chain while I was dithering about swords. The weighted chain weapons were achievable in plastic without looking like anchor chains; the punch daggers were a nod to the old range; the bladed gauntlet another gladiatorial reference. The frame itself makes 10 Wyches. There are six female torsos and four male torsos, and you can swap the male torsos with the female torsos from other Dark Eldar kits if you'd prefer all your Wyches to be female. There are 14 different heads in the kit, and parts to make several variations of Hekatrix (squad leader) and a plethora of nasty weaponry, including the exotic weaponry of the sub-cults.

And about Lelith herself:

Jes Goodwin wrote:Lelith Hesperax was the first special character to receive an updated design. I chose to draw the concept in a neutral pose - it is often better to work the pose out in 3D and as Juan Diaz would be sculpting the model I wanted him to have as much freedom as possible to make the model dynamic (as well as showing off his anatomy skills). There is always a challenge with Eldar special characters; you cannot make them bigger than their fellows like Orks, or as ornate as Marines, because you don't have the room. Lelith needed to be slim and lithe but still needed presence. The long sweeping hair, tied through with hooks for a nasty edge, added volume and the broken banner scenic base gave extra height, as well as allowing her to be depicted balanced on her toes. The rest of her is really stripped back; barefoot, with much less armour than the ordinary Wyches, armed with just two of the cult knives and no combat enhancers, we wanted to imply that she was so deadly that she needed none of those things. With more of her skin showing she would contrast well with the rank and file of the army. Juan really hit this one out of the park, one of the nicest female models we've ever made.

And a nod to the fact that Lelith -won't- have Combat Drugs?

**bloodaxegit**

The sails make them look more like a raiding fleet. And I don't know why....

**Lord Harrab**

bloodaxegit wrote:The sails make them look more like a raiding fleet. And I don't know why....

isn't that the point?

**Samus_aran115**

Nice to hear from Jes. He really talks/speaks/writes like you'd expect him too. He sounds like a movie director or something

**Amaya**

Well, in the fluff Lelith doesn't use combat drugs.

**Samus_aran115**

hehe, I'd use some drugs on her...Hehe.

**Lord Harrab**

Amaya wrote:Well, in the fluff Lelith doesn't use combat drugs.

That make her seem scarier, as she more deadly then even the most skilled of the other wytches and is not off her rocker on drugs, so everything she does is controlled and calculated.

Thats it, i'm collecting a wych cult. To quote Spike from Cowboy Bebop: "i love the kind of woman who can kick my ass."

**Amaya**

Well, actually, the reason her Cult does that is because they want to experience the heat of battle to the fullest. Which kind of makes her scarier.

**BrassScorpion**

Nice to hear from Jes.

You don't have to rely on forums for that or wait for others to post it. As I've often said, a visit to the actual GW website can do wonders for keeping up to date on new releases. All that is required to get that kind of information is to visit the Games Workshop website where the information is posted with continuity, context and pictures here. That information has been up for many hours now, I already read it myself about six hours ago at the link provided.

**Samus_aran115**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Nice to hear from Jes.
You don't have to rely on forums for that or wait for others to post it. As I've often said, a visit to the actual GW website can do wonders for keeping up to date on new releases. All that is required to get that kind of information is to visit the Games Workshop website where the information is posted with continuity, context and pictures here. That information has been up for many hours now, I already read it myself about six hours ago at the link provided.

Yes. I know

The GW website is a little more comprehensive than dakka, which is always welcome

**sum1thtdiesalot**

Does that mean that her statline is going to make up for the lack of combat-drugs?

**Munch Munch!**

Farmer wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:I guess this thread is now officially devoid of any new useful posts. It appears to be reduced to geek concerns over nomenclature and model breasts. I guess there's a lot of this guy on the forum:

From The Onion:
Sci-Fi Geek Only Hangs Out With Models

callling people geeks is not nice, not nice at all!

Reality isn't nice.

**Amaya**

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:Does that mean that her statline is going to make up for the lack of combat-drugs?

Incoming beast mode. Lelith Hesperax, TERRORIZE!

**Alpharius**

Athera wrote:

The "rules" only apply to certain people.

Is that you, Howlingmoon?

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Scott_K wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:You HAVE to be the only person I know that only likes female models if the have large, luscious butts and over-sized chests. You are really freaking me out, as I am 16 and only buy models that look coo/help my army, no matter how large their "unmentionables" are.

You poor kid. Did the '90's really make you SO scared with political correctness that you can't admit appreciating the female body?

If that's the case, I'm thankful for growing up in the 70's

As for "attempting to save the thread from weirdness"... coming from someone with a Monty Python avatar? Some of us were around when that movie came out. Look up the word "irony" sometime

I am always willing to have a laugh at myself, so LOL!

Also, do we have any idea about when the new DE Army book *ahem* Codex, is supposed to come out? I am sorely tempted to start a new army, with a different color scheme.

_Tim?

**Crazy_Carnifex**

Is it just me, or do they seem to be Hyping Dark Eldar a lot more than they do most armies? I mean, Games Day, and the promise of a week-long series of articles, which are so far fairly interesting designers notes? What do youn think, eh?

**Gwar!**

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Is it just me, or do they seem to be Hyping Dark Eldar a lot more than they do most armies? I mean, Games Day, and the promise of a week-long series of articles, which are so far fairly interesting designers notes? What do youn think, eh?

This is a major Gamble for GW. If the DE don't sell well, then the Higher Ups in their infinte wisdom will say "Well, Look what we did, it seems that Xenos don't sell, MOAR MAHRINES HURRRRRRRRRR!" and then they Squat the Tau.

Hold on, why do I say that (last bit) like it's a bad thing?

In any case, the Dev team (aka the, perhaps, one remaining person in GW who actually cares about the game) are pulling out all the stops to make sure DE sell well, because if they don't, it's going to become MarineHammer 40Marines.

**Ktulhut**

Scott_K wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:You HAVE to be the only person I know that only likes female models if the have large, luscious butts and over-sized chests. You are really freaking me out, as I am 16 and only buy models that look coo/help my army, no matter how large their "unmentionables" are.

You poor kid. Did the '90's really make you SO scared with political correctness that you can't admit appreciating the female body?

If that's the case, I'm thankful for growing up in the 70's

I don't think it's so much what you and others have been saying, as it is what you haven't been saying. Your points and the points of others are all well and good, but why do the lelith figure/wyches dissapoint you so much? It's not like there aren't a thousand barbie-doll-proportioned minis out there already. For once, just once we get vaguely realistic females, who aren't bimbos or dressed like sluts, and you're going to complain about it?

Look, don't take me for some kind of prude, my Slaanesh army is full of reapers' "sexy" figures, and all my daemonettes are all symmetrical in the chestal department (IMO the plastics look like victims of breast cancer, rather than androgynous).

But know what else makes sense? Gladiators (wyches), who look like actual combatants, rather than "genies in magic bikinis". I think the new wyches are a brilliant representation of highly skilled, lightly armed pit fighters.

**Shattered Soul**

Must... buy... Hesperax... DAMNED BE THE EMPEROR! I NEED THESE XENOS!

**Archonate**

I keep trying to picture how the sculpts for the other Special Characters might look... I hope to be equally as blown away.
In fact, I fantasize about all the models we HAVEN'T yet seen. I now have high expectations for their unveiling... Which will likely be met or probably exceeded.

**Farmer**

Munch Munch! wrote:
Farmer wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:I guess this thread is now officially devoid of any new useful posts. It appears to be reduced to geek concerns over nomenclature and model breasts. I guess there's a lot of this guy on the forum:

From The Onion:
Sci-Fi Geek Only Hangs Out With Models

callling people geeks is not nice, not nice at all!

Reality isn't nice.

depends on who you are, and how lucky your draw of the cards are.

**Pen≥Sword**

Archonate wrote:I keep trying to picture how the sculpts for the other Special Characters might look... I hope to be equally as blown away.
In fact, I fantasize about all the models we HAVEN'T yet seen. I now have high expectations for their unveiling... Which will likely be met or probably exceeded.

I can't agree enough. Vect, Drazhar and Urien. Not to mention the other 'rank and file' models like the Mandrakes.

**Archonate**

Yes!
I'm also curious to see how they redefine scourges. They used to just be Warriors that could jump. I predict they'll be given more personality to separate them as the mercenaries that they're supposed to be. Unrelated to the Kabalites.

And what about the new units?!

I'm glad this unveiling was just Archon, Incubi, Wyches, Warriors, Lelith and Raiders. The full glimpse might have been a fatal overdose of awesome...

**sum1thtdiesalot**

I really wanna see new warp beasts with better rules. Since they are basically deamons why dont they have an invulnerable save? And those models have a lot of possibility since none of them have to look the same. And has anyone heard about any new grotesques? The old/current ones are horrid. (No pun intended)

**Amaya**

Clay Matthews is a Space Marine? I knew it!