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Gwar! wrote:

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Is it just me, or do they seem to be Hyping Dark Eldar a lot more than they do most armies? I mean, Games Day, and the promise of a week-long series of articles, which are so far fairly interesting designers notes? What do youn think, eh?

This is a major Gamble for GW. If the DE don't sell well, then the Higher Ups in their infinte wisdom will say "Well, Look what we did, it seems that Xenos don't sell, MOAR MAHRINES HURRRRRRRRRR!" and then they Squat the Tau.

or they could just add space marines into the new tau codex

Nah. If the Dark Eldar fail, the Necrons die, Eldar get pushed back, and the only Xeno release we'll see in the next two years will be the Tau.

Is there a model for the Venom?

They look awesome

SpacePanzee wrote:Is there a model for the Venom?

No.

And there is unlikely to be one.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

SpacePanzee wrote:Is there a model for the Venom?

No.

And there is unlikely to be one.

Business!

Whatcha wanna bet, H.B.M.C.?

I'm putting odds on a GW model for the Venom within... oh, two years. (Notice safely hedged bet including likely date-range of Eldar reboot...)

It'll be the DE Codex's Storm Raven.

Savnock wrote:Whatcha wanna bet, H.B.M.C.?

I'm putting odds on a GW model for the Venom within... oh, two years. (Notice safely hedged bet including likely date-range of Eldar reboot...)

Don't you think that one's weighted pretty heavily against you Savnock? We don't even know in the Venom is actually in the book yet. It's still just rumours.

It is in the codex, confirmed for me by someone who has read it. Doesn't look like there is a model for it though, he mentioned there was a picture of it in the book but it just looked like a spikey Vyper. While it seems very unlikely that there will be a model for the Venom at this stage I wouldn't bet against one coming out in the future. I expect the Venom to be in the next Eldar codex (as they really need an open topped transport) as well so they could do an update of the Vyper and incorporate it into the kit.

If it is just a "spiky Vyper", I'd expect the recut of the Vyper sprue (to be done when the Eldar are re-done no doubt) to become a Vyper/Venom boxed set, where you either give it a turret or a platform for transported troops.

SpacePanzee wrote:Is there a model for the Venom?

This is the official conversion by GW, using a Vyper and adding some Raider bitz:

The venom was used in the Harlequins codex as a transport (some years ago)
It's in the page 10.

I would like to see what one of those looks like using the new Raider kit . . . Could be quite interesting.

Oshova

I think eventually, like all other players with the older models - my 3rd edition Raiders will gradually be turned into Venoms while the new raiders will serve as Raiders.

I guess I would just really have to see if they still have the 6 troop capacity and just how big they intend them to be now, and if the old dark lance is a suitable proxy for their fusion gun or whatever they are armed with now.

Here a nice shot from the DE box background art, posted by Heresy Online moderator MadCowCrazy:

That is really cool. I wonder if GW would make it available as a desktop wallpaper.

Gwar! wrote:So, just because they don't have Boobage rivalling the Heavy Metal chick, you don't like them?

My girlfriend's mum was the model for that chick. True say.

Powerguy wrote:It is in the codex, confirmed for me by someone who has read it. Doesn't look like there is a model for it though, he mentioned there was a picture of it in the book but it just looked like a spikey Vyper. While it seems very unlikely that there will be a model for the Venom at this stage I wouldn't bet against one coming out in the future. I expect the Venom to be in the next Eldar codex (as they really need an open topped transport) as well so they could do an update of the Vyper and incorporate it into the kit.

Makes me wonder if it is like the Land Speeder Storm. It's not a Dedicated Transport for Harlequins, rather it's a FA choice that can carry Harlequins.

puma713 wrote:

Powerguy wrote:It is in the codex, confirmed for me by someone who has read it. Doesn't look like there is a model for it though, he mentioned there was a picture of it in the book but it just looked like a spikey Vyper. While it seems very unlikely that there will be a model for the Venom at this stage I wouldn't bet against one coming out in the future. I expect the Venom to be in the next Eldar codex (as they really need an open topped transport) as well so they could do an update of the Vyper and incorporate it into the kit.

Makes me wonder if it is like the Land Speeder Storm. It's not a Dedicated Transport for Harlequins, rather it's a FA choice that can carry Harlequins.

I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

I have to agree with that. Outside of Assault Squads, I never took a FA slot for SM.

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Er, what? Tyranids don't really avoid any slots, especially the Heavy Support. Trygons? Those are a 'dump'?

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Umm. MM/HF Landspeeders? I agree on CSM though.

And isn't HS kind of important for Nids? Every list I see has packed HS (Tyranno, Carnis or Trygons).

No argument on Necrons and Tau though. lol

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Er, what? Tyranids don't really avoid any slots, especially the Heavy Support. Trygons? Those are a 'dump'?

They have Carnifex in that slot. That makes it a dump slot.

But Ok, I was a bit harsh. Nids do seem to have a good Balance, though their Elites Slot is the "Key" slot.

Gwar! wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Er, what? Tyranids don't really avoid any slots, especially the Heavy Support. Trygons? Those are a 'dump'?

They have Carnifex in that slot. That makes it a dump slot.

But Ok, I was a bit harsh. Nids do seem to have a good Balance, though their Elites Slot is the "Key" slot.

you're always harsh picking on my litte men.

What's New Today: German and Italian Games Day; Dark Eldar Ravager
Lots of good new information about the Raider/Ravager kit and crew on today's What's New Today on the GW website.

And for those who break out in hives at GW's Website:
Click for Bigger pics:

Just noticed a nasty little detail that makes me jump for joy:



Note that nasty little hook on the front hanger-on's spear.

Maybe my "perhaps that's how they pick up slaves" prediction wasn't too far off the mark. Imagine a Raider zipping by and grabbing you by a squishy part of your anatomy at the end of that hook.

And apparently they're all interchangeable with the warriors/wyches so we could use the wych impaler/trident as a swapsie on one to differentiate between raiders.