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That Raider pic has some (slightly) better shots of the Ravagers in the background.

Ya know, the guy with the bottom half of his face covered would look a LOT better with out the top knot. In fact, I only ever hear complaining about top knots and never anyone standing up for them... Which really makes me wonder why they've sprinkled them in these new models.

I mean, you can say "you can chop the top knots off" but a lot of times that makes it look awkward. And with a model that's bald aside from that, you'd have to get rid of the rest of the hair and run the risk of having a head that looks like it was recently lobotomized.

I also think the helmets are still a bit too big. and some of them have some kinda dumb features. Like the one that has the spikes that run up his face.

Hopefully the Goodwin Regime doesn't burn me at the stake for criticizing the models like they have been everyone else.

SamplesoWoopass wrote:

I also think the helmets are some kinda dumb features. Like the one that has the spikes that run up his face.

The DE aesthetic has sort of an undercurrent of fetishism and sadomasochism that can't be denied...

Imagine how the models would look if GW took the criticism they get from every hater and altered the models accordingly. They'd really have something great to sell then, wouldn't they? People have to get over the fact that they can't sculpt each model range to please each individual customer, not till they invent "sculpts on demand" technology anyway.

CT GAMER wrote:

SamplesoWoopass wrote:

I also think the helmets are some kinda dumb features. Like the one that has the spikes that run up his face.

The DE aesthetic has sort of an undercurrent of fetishism and sadomasochism that can't be denied...

That's fine. I like the theme, but the one on the left, next to the guy with the stupid looking blades coming out of the side of their helmet is just bad. And to me, doesn't really even fit the theme too well imo.

I suppose that makes an entire culture of warriors that had 'top-knots' look silly as well, but I sure wouldn't be saying that to the face of a samurai. Seriously, drop the top-knot issue. It's already been stated that casting in plastic has certain issues that are difficult, primarily: hair. That level of detail is just not available to have stupendous hair options. Also, most women in the military (and men if they were allowed) who have long hair have to put it up in order to utilize their gear. That's fine if you just plain don't like either the helmeted or un-helmeted heads. Don't use either...

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I hope not. Making the LSS compete for fast attack slots was the best way to insure it was hardly ever used.

Because there are just soooooooo many other useful Fast Attack units in the SM codex? Fast Attack have always been SM and CSM's "Dump" slot. (Like how Heavy Support is Nid's, Elites is Necrons and Troops is Tau ).

Er, what? Tyranids don't really avoid any slots, especially the Heavy Support. Trygons? Those are a 'dump'?

I don't get how Elites is Necrons either. Immortals are next to Destroyers for most commonly used unit...

...Although he got Tau right. If I could not take troops... I would have a half-decent army.

Note that nasty little hook on the front hanger-on's spear.

Maybe my "perhaps that's how they pick up slaves" prediction wasn't too far off the mark. Imagine a Raider zipping by and grabbing you by a squishy part of your anatomy at the end of that hook.

Reminds me a bit of a fishermans gaffe... those are a pretty brutal little tool.

While I don't agree with the gigantic horns on...is it the incubi...I do overall love the range. Especailly the raider.

I think I may just scrap my CSM army for this and my birthday is in November so that is a plus...Muwahahahaha!

BrassScorpion wrote:Imagine how the models would look if GW took the criticism they get from every hater and altered the models accordingly. They'd really have something great to sell then, wouldn't they? People have to get over the fact that they can't sculpt each model range to please each individual customer, not till they invent "sculpts on demand" technology anyway.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone who has a problem with any aspect of the models is deemed "hater" so obviously they're just stupid and wrong. So, I guess if I'm a hater for pointing out that the models weren't retrieved from God's rectum then I guess I'll be a hater. Their are bad points done with the models, and I'm sure if the new release had been a different army from GW then there'd be complaints and not everyone who said something bad would get attacked by the Goodwin Regime.

But since it's dark eldar and you've been waiting so long for it then people don't want to come to terms with the fact that even this range has some problems.

Hey, My birthday is end of October. We're doing good here. Gift Certificates. All should give me Gift Certificates! And Cards....

It is not the criticism that makes a hater, but the intensity with which they make it.

aka_mythos wrote:It is not the criticism that makes a hater, but the intensity with which they make it.

Which makes SamplesoWoopass decidedly not a hater, as he's giving honest criticism at a reasonable volume, and if Sandra is going to listen to her headphones while she's filing then he should be able to give honest criticism while he's collating so I don't see why he should have to turn down the radio because he enjoys listening at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven.

Wait, I lost my train of thought somewhere in there.

aka_mythos wrote:It is not the criticism that makes a hater, but the intensity with which they make it.

And I think if you read my post, or hell, any of the posts that criticize the models they weren't done with any particular intensity, but still get flamed to hell.

Rymafyr wrote:I suppose that makes an entire culture of warriors that had 'top-knots' look silly as well, but I sure wouldn't be saying that to the face of a samurai. Seriously, drop the top-knot issue. It's already been stated that casting in plastic has certain issues that are difficult, primarily: hair. That level of detail is just not available to have stupendous hair options. Also, most women in the military (and men if they were allowed) who have long hair have to put it up in order to utilize their gear. That's fine if you just plain don't like either the helmeted or un-helmeted heads. Don't use either...

Yes, people who have topknots look silly too. Including samurais. I mean, why should I have to drop the issue? The OLD plastic spacewolves sprue (I think it was copyright 1992) had hair styles that weren't top knots that looked good, and I doubt that their technology has gotten worse since then. And I really find it strange the people who are trying to cite ancient cultures that they probably aren't truly familiar with. And remember, these are minis for a fantasy game, they aren't true to life in a plethora of aspects, so why should they choose hair to suddenly become the point of realism if it makes the models look worse? That was even one of the things people complained about the old DE models.

SamplesoWoopass wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:It is not the criticism that makes a hater, but the intensity with which they make it.

And I think if you read my post, or hell, any of the posts that criticize the models they weren't done with any particular intensity, but still get flamed to hell.

. . . wait . . . what was my argument again . . . ???

Oshova

The big limitation with having a variety of hair styles on bare heads with plastic models comes with assembly. Since the hair on a plastic head is inflexible, it limits the way in which the head can be attached to the torso unless the hair is kept out of the way of the body. That's the reason they have so many bald, short haired, or top-knotted heads. This gives more flexibility in modeling head position on the torso.

SamplesoWoopass wrote:

Yes, people who have topknots look silly too. Including samurais. I mean, why should I have to drop the issue? The OLD plastic spacewolves sprue (I think it was copyright 1992) had hair styles that weren't top knots that looked good, and I doubt that their technology has gotten worse since then.

'Our topknot technology is light years ahead of yours.'






Kudos to anyone who gets the reference.

But Light Year is a unit of Distance...

But Light Year is (or was afaik, (i think the new one has a much broader audience, so no offence to anyone)) the constant of some 5 year olds dreams...



the new dark elves really do look awesome btw!

I love Hellraiser! consider lots of models I can't really afford led by a model i'll convert to look like Hellraiser! niiiice, would still fit in the image with that glowy box thing on the cover of the codex! this just keeps getting better

YmeLocSquirrel256 wrote:But Light Year is (or was afaik, (i think the new one has a much broader audience, so no offence to anyone)) the constant of some 5 year olds dreams...



the new dark elves really do look awesome btw!

Fixed that for ya. (Credit: *lily-fox via DeviantArt via TheDailyWh.at)

SamplesoWoopass wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:It is not the criticism that makes a hater, but the intensity with which they make it.

And I think if you read my post, or hell, any of the posts that criticize the models they weren't done with any particular intensity, but still get flamed to hell.

Rymafyr wrote:I suppose that makes an entire culture of warriors that had 'top-knots' look silly as well, but I sure wouldn't be saying that to the face of a samurai. Seriously, drop the top-knot issue. It's already been stated that casting in plastic has certain issues that are difficult, primarily: hair. That level of detail is just not available to have stupendous hair options. Also, most women in the military (and men if they were allowed) who have long hair have to put it up in order to utilize their gear. That's fine if you just plain don't like either the helmeted or un-helmeted heads. Don't use either...

Yes, people who have topknots look silly too. Including samurais. I mean, why should I have to drop the issue? The OLD plastic spacewolves sprue (I think it was copyright 1992) had hair styles that weren't top knots that looked good, and I doubt that their technology has gotten worse since then. And I really find it strange the people who are trying to cite ancient cultures that they probably aren't truly familiar with. And remember, these are minis for a fantasy game, they aren't true to life in a plethora of aspects, so why should they choose hair to suddenly become the point of realism if it makes the models look worse? That was even one of the things people complained about the old DE models.

Sounds like some serious incoherent ranting and hate to me. If as you say, 'these are minis for a fantasy game', why are you getting bent out of shape over it? My opinion isn't dependent on you agreeing with it; but obviously the reverse isn't true. As I said previously, if you don't like the helmets or heads...fine. I don't give a rat's anyway, but stop trolling.

Since you mentioned it, I happen to know quite alot about ancient cultures. Keep your personal attacks to yourself.

so glad I invest that $12.14 into phillip morris 12 years ago to pay for my dark eldar when they got revamped, Now I can buy a whole army for the cost of what was 3 packs of cigarettes

btw thanks for the pics, love em.

concept art is nice, but honestly the concept art for nids imo was best ever concept art gw has done.

airmang wrote:That Raider pic has some (slightly) better shots of the Ravagers in the background.

Good eye. I didn't notice those till you mentioned it. I like how they put the gunners on the side of the ship. Those should make for some easy conversions from raider to ravager as well. There almost wasn't enough room on the original models to fit the gunner behind the armored panel.

How about we all stop attacking other posters for having an opinion, and stick with the ogling and the oohing and ahing, hmm?

*ogle!* *oooh* *Ahhh!*

*puts money aside. isn't enough. Starts shoveling money aside*

I'm wondering now, is this the direction GW will go with all future model ranges as these blow anything prior out of the water most definitely but that sets the precedent for future projects to compare to. Will people now groan about range creep along with codex creep?

Kurgash wrote:I'm wondering now, is this the direction GW will go with all future model ranges as these blow anything prior out of the water most definitely but that sets the precedent for future projects to compare to. Will people now groan about range creep along with codex creep?

Well, from what I can tell that's always been an issue. Just look at the recent Island of Blood release, and people talking about how the main troops of the High Elf ranger didn't live up to the new sculpts in Island of Blood, or the new Rat Ogres compared to the current boxed sets. If this is the way GW is going to be handling all of their future releases, I imagine everybody is going to be eager to have their lines redone ASAP. Opinion about the style and subject of the models aside, I think most people will agree that they're very well done with a very consistent aesthetic throughout. But that depends on those in charge of the sculpting, of course.

Anyways, anybody find it odd that the tagline for the What's New Today mentioned Ravagers specifically, but the article only showed Raiders, and no Ravager-specific parts?

Btw, I read the thread but didn't see it mentioned, forgive me if I missed it... But is there any news on Scourges? Are they being redone? Plastic, metal? If I missed it, again, I apologize.

Ok. I like what they did with the Raider and Ravager.
But I was hoping they would have went a bit more "Reavers from Firefly" with it.

I think I may have to sell an army so I can pick Dark Eldar up.

All that Unemployment money I had saved and gone without food for so I could afford things like "a Rent Deposit" and "A Car" is looking mighty tempting. D:

Those Ravagers are indeed t3h nice looking.

If this is the way GW is going to be handling all of their future releases, I imagine everybody is going to be eager to have their lines redone ASAP

Beastmen.