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I'm going to enjoy taking apart new DE players as they struggle with the concept of a glass hammer.

*insert maniacal laughter here*

InventionThirteen wrote:I'm going to enjoy taking apart new DE players as they struggle with the concept of a glass hammer.

*insert maniacal laughter here*

HA! Very true... Assuming DE don't become easy to play.
If DE become an army for noobs, like SMs, I'll be very unhappy.
I always loved having to think 2 steps ahead of my opponent, cause it took a while to master.

Kamsm8 wrote: If this is the way GW is going to be handling all of their future releases, I imagine everybody is going to be eager to have their lines redone ASAP in 10-15 year's time.

FYP.

There's a price for the full redo, one that not every player is willing to pay...

For a long-time veteran, 10 years between model updates isn't too long. For a lot of kids, not seeing something new within 5 years leads to an awful lot of whining.

Unless you're a necron or something 10 years is a hella long time for anybody, imagine if you suddenly got 10 years older or younger you'd notice to say the least. 10 years is around 1/7 to 1/8 of your lifespan.

so glad I invest that $12.14 into phillip morris 12 years ago to pay for my dark eldar when they got revamped, Now I can buy a whole army for the cost of what was 3 packs of cigarettes

In that case, how about i throw you $18 to send me 3 packs a time?
Over here they are £6 a pack (20)
So, £18 for 60 ($27 ish?)

If you're going to be playing for 30 years, 10 years is 3 full refreshes.

sooo no talos news yet?

No, but a rumour on the specialty item by tlronin over at Warseer:

The specialty item for the DE which Scryer in the Dark mentioned first is in fact a representation of the WWP. It's a transparant globe thingie which makes it look as if DE warriors are coming out the portal. Yeah I got it described to me by a GW manager @ my local club, so it's a bit vague. He didn't know how it further fits into the game though.

Yeah but the main difference is you can still play the game while waiting so its not quite as bad. or you can play different armies

i was waiting a long time for a proper BA codex with actual fluff

Kirasu wrote:Yeah but the main difference is you can still play the game while waiting so its not quite as bad. or you can play different armies

i was waiting a long time for a proper BA codex with actual fluff

Aren't you still waiting? I'm pretty sure there's no actual fluff in that codex

Samus_aran115 wrote:sooo no talos news yet?

not coming out till next wave

something tells me they will re-do it into a fancy dark spikey wraithlord...

Farmer wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:sooo no talos news yet?

not coming out till next wave

something tells me they will re-do it into a fancy dark spikey wraithlord...

A spikey wraithlord would be the exact wrong direction for the model design - too derivative for starters.

Farmer wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:sooo no talos news yet?

not coming out till next wave

something tells me they will re-do it into a fancy dark spikey wraithlord...

Ah. Well at least I can have a look at the codex before then.

That would be pretty awesome. Not really the most original thing ever though...

does anyone get the games workshop newsletter????????? they just showed a whole bunch of models and THEY ARE AWESOME! the wyches actually look cool! AAAAAAAAAAA! its awesome!!


games workshop teaser for the models!

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What I picture the talos? A torpedo that is attached to the the ravenwing fighters that is launched into the enemy. It then transforms into a 4 legged walker shooting everything in every direction.

But that's just my wishlisting. I want wraithlord toughness with some deepstriking involved to keep with the fast theme. It would be nice if the army had a way to play a hammer instead of 3 varieties of scalpel.

I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

I'd complain that the music in that video is ripped straight from DOW2, but the I remembered that GW basically owns the material.

EDIT: And they credited Relic at the end.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

You know i see no reason it can't keep its statline. Just remove some of the bizare rules and its fine. After all whats wrong with WS5, BS3, S7, T7, W3, I4, A(D6), LD10, 3+ ... Maybe make MC and move as jet pack and we're done.

necrongod wrote:does anyone get the games workshop newsletter????????? they just showed a whole bunch of models and THEY ARE AWESOME! the wyches actually look cool! AAAAAAAAAAA! its awesome!!


games workshop teaser for the models!

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Sooo... The thread was Too Long, and you Didn't Read it?

It's 25 pages, Ktulhut. That seems pretty TL;DR to me.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

? Exposed pilot?

"Constructed by the insane Haemonculi, the Talos is a torture device that sweeps across the battlefield on anti-gravitic motors, latching on to its foes and incarcerating them within its armoured shell. The death spasms of those captured propel the Talos towards its enemies as its unique sting wildly spews death in all directions and its many-bladed arms cut through armour and bone with lashing blows."

I don't recall ever seeing anything about a pilot in a Talos, and the model is a fully enclosed, armored, floating beasty thing. The current stat line is S/T 7 and 3+ save.

There was a Torso coming out near the tail wasnt there? I always thought of it as a prisoner/victim, though it could be seen as a pilot.

Tri wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

You know i see no reason it can't keep its statline. Just remove some of the bizare rules and its fine. After all whats wrong with WS5, BS3, S7, T7, W3, I4, A(D6), LD10, 3+ ... Maybe make MC and move as jet pack and we're done.

Except there is nothing in any dex since the last eldar dex with toughness above 6, not even the GREAT UNCLEAN ONE which should be tougher than ANYTHING on the field (specifically to allow S3 weapons to be able to wound everything)...the last few things with T7+ are the talos, Wraith lord, and the 2 ctan...you are going to see the t go down to 6 (if it stays a MC) and like Mephy it may get a whole bunch of wounds...get ready for wraith guard to keep T6 and be a single wound and WLord T6 with 6 wounds....

Saldiven wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

? Exposed pilot?

"Constructed by the insane Haemonculi, the Talos is a torture device that sweeps across the battlefield on anti-gravitic motors, latching on to its foes and incarcerating them within its armoured shell. The death spasms of those captured propel the Talos towards its enemies as its unique sting wildly spews death in all directions and its many-bladed arms cut through armour and bone with lashing blows."

I don't recall ever seeing anything about a pilot in a Talos, and the model is a fully enclosed, armored, floating beasty thing. The current stat line is S/T 7 and 3+ save.

No pilot, but there is a slave strapped to it and its pain and suffering powers the thing...

Ktulhut wrote:

necrongod wrote:does anyone get the games workshop newsletter????????? they just showed a whole bunch of models and THEY ARE AWESOME! the wyches actually look cool! AAAAAAAAAAA! its awesome!!


games workshop teaser for the models!

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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=1&aId=10500182a&start=2

Sooo... The thread was Too Long, and you Didn't Read it?

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25 pages? yup

Havik110 wrote:

Tri wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

You know i see no reason it can't keep its statline. Just remove some of the bizare rules and its fine. After all whats wrong with WS5, BS3, S7, T7, W3, I4, A(D6), LD10, 3+ ... Maybe make MC and move as jet pack and we're done.

Except there is nothing in any dex since the last eldar dex with toughness above 6, not even the GREAT UNCLEAN ONE which should be tougher than ANYTHING on the field (specifically to allow S3 weapons to be able to wound everything)...the last few things with T7+ are the talos, Wraith lord, and the 2 ctan...you are going to see the t go down to 6 (if it stays a MC) and like Mephy it may get a whole bunch of wounds...get ready for wraith guard to keep T6 and be a single wound and WLord T6 with 6 wounds....

Saldiven wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

? Exposed pilot?

"Constructed by the insane Haemonculi, the Talos is a torture device that sweeps across the battlefield on anti-gravitic motors, latching on to its foes and incarcerating them within its armoured shell. The death spasms of those captured propel the Talos towards its enemies as its unique sting wildly spews death in all directions and its many-bladed arms cut through armour and bone with lashing blows."

I don't recall ever seeing anything about a pilot in a Talos, and the model is a fully enclosed, armored, floating beasty thing. The current stat line is S/T 7 and 3+ save.

No pilot, but there is a slave strapped to it and its pain and suffering powers the thing...

Pure Speculation: Talos to be T6 multiwound, and have some means to regenerate wounds by kills in assault?

Fueled by Pain: Everytime the Talos successfully kills an enemy in close combat, it regains 1 wound (Up to a maximum of X)

Sidstyler wrote:

If this is the way GW is going to be handling all of their future releases, I imagine everybody is going to be eager to have their lines redone ASAP

Beastmen.

rip

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't think it'd be right for the Talos to be Wraithlord tough - it's not solid Wraithbone like a Wraithlord. It exposes a soft, fleshy pilot as an obvious weak point. I'd suggest T6 Sv4+, maybe T7 Sv5+

Tri wrote:You know i see no reason it can't keep its statline. Just remove some of the bizare rules and its fine. After all whats wrong with WS5, BS3, S7, T7, W3, I4, A(D6), LD10, 3+ ... Maybe make MC and move as jet pack and we're done.

Nothing, per se. Jump Infantry Fleet MC would be fine, too.
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Saldiven wrote:? Exposed pilot?

"Constructed by the insane Haemonculi, the Talos is a torture device that sweeps across the battlefield on anti-gravitic motors, latching on to its foes and incarcerating them within its armoured shell. The death spasms of those captured propel the Talos towards its enemies as its unique sting wildly spews death in all directions and its many-bladed arms cut through armour and bone with lashing blows."

I don't recall ever seeing anything about a pilot in a Talos, and the model is a fully enclosed, armored, floating beasty thing. The current stat line is S/T 7 and 3+ save.

No, there's a pilot on the model, hardwired into the thing. I process the model as a DE Dreadnought, for what it represents. Instead of being piloted by Eldar spirits, it's piloted by a slave who's been grafted to the model. Similar to SMs, but not as armored because the pilot is outside and fresh meat, rather than ancient, half-dead and entombed.

necrongod wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:

necrongod wrote:does anyone get the games workshop newsletter????????? they just showed a whole bunch of models and THEY ARE AWESOME! the wyches actually look cool! AAAAAAAAAAA! its awesome!!


games workshop teaser for the models!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=1&aId=10500182a&start=2

Sooo... The thread was Too Long, and you Didn't Read it?

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25 pages? yup

But..... the name of the THREAD directly refers to the email. That's just damned lazyness.

JohnHwangDD wrote:No, there's a pilot on the model, hardwired into the thing. I process the model as a DE Dreadnought, for what it represents. Instead of being piloted by Eldar spirits, it's piloted by a slave who's been grafted to the model. Similar to SMs, but not as armored because the pilot is outside and fresh meat, rather than ancient, half-dead and entombed.

You say that with such authority, but it's bollocks. I've built and painted 2 of these models, and there's no pilot. Lots of twisty bits and pieces, some skull-like bits and a few trophies, but no pilot.

Tailgunner wrote:

You say that with such authority, but it's bollocks. I've built and painted 2 of these models, and there's no pilot. Lots of twisty bits and pieces, some skull-like bits and a few trophies, but no pilot.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251819_99110112012_DETalosmain_873x627.jpg

Always assumed the red thing at the back that looks like cables is actually some dude strapped in.