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Logic will get you nowhere in such situations.

Well, I guess I can pretty much just drop my plans to partake in the South Australian company challenge, I guess.

Well, do you really guys think that GW is worrying about customer complains due to prices increase? This is the one of GW goals to become a “Premium Hobby”, what does it mean is they want to sell less with higher profit margin.

This activity will let them to reduce manpower and other non-value added in their process, therefore increase in profitability of company.

Look at the Forgeworld, to manufacture the resin model from RTV silicone mould is cheaper than from plastic injection. I can assure you that GW margin is about 15% (bear in mind ALL retailers get 35% discount) where FW is 300%+.

So what is better for business? Sell 1 squad of 10 Kriegs form £36 – made from resin for max. £5 cost … or squad of 10 plastic moulding injection duds for £20 made for £8? How many plastic injection duds you have to sell to make same profit? Who much logistic and manpower must be used for that?


Even if the GW sales drops form 20%, they will still make massive profit on reduction of operational cost and other non-value added.

Conclusion: I stop buying GW dudsmens last year after prices increase and seeing their policy and I redirected my cash to PP, why? Because I got same fun, better balanced armies, cheaper models, good customer service (official PP forum!). for £300 I got 2 x 50 pts armies, where in GW world I would have just one….

spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha

Oh thats a brilliant solution. /s

Pray tell, how are you going to play 40k in jail?

Save left over bits of soap, carve his own marines and hope he can dodge the C&D letters for it?

GalacticDefender wrote:

infinite_array wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Wait so are they actually going to increase the prices? The rhinos and LRs are still the same price they were...

Is it the 28th yet?

No it's not, but what actual hard evidence do we have that they are going to raise the prices? I looked at the Bell of Lost Souls thread, as well as this one, and I didn't really see anything convincing. None of the hobby shop owners have gotten emails or anything, all we have is that list which may or may not be faked, or from Australia or something.

Seriously, why desn't GW try lowering their prices? They might actually make more money due to the amount of people who might start the hobby or buy more stuff.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread Miniwargaming recieved an e-mail and uploaded a video saying the prices were going to be increased. They even said that the range of increases were going to be from 5% for some thing to 20% for others. You obviously didn't look very hard because other people have also said that their FLGS told them about the e-mail.

pretre wrote:

spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha

I think we found the reason for the price increase. Baddy McBadass here has stolen GW into doing it.

Post deleted, please comport yourself in a better manner when posting on Dakka in future.
Reds8n

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

Well when you're young you don't really understand the value of money. So it all comes down to the parents who buy their kids things and we all know how cleaver kids can be when manipulating their parents into spending cash on them.


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Groundh0g wrote:Logic will get you nowhere in such situations.

If you stand your ground then you'll be just fine.

Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

I will still be buying stuff but not from gw direct. Although our flgs don't stock vostroyans

Fetterkey wrote:

People are claiming that list is fake/trolling, though.

No, I think just you now Fetterkey.. why in God's name would anyone want to write something like this? It wouldn't be 'trolling', more 'ban that user he is obviously mental, and shouldn't be allowed to communicate with other people!'

Anyway, this seems a little out of place (like selling insurance at the scene of a train crash) but... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/59.page

Get together with a mate, start playing with the best game mechanics and really fine miniatures, for under $100

Miniwargaming are in the middle of developing their own gaming system as well called Dark Potential. After watching some of the playtesting vids they put up its looks pretty decent.

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

As GW is market leader, they don't need to be price competive - top brands are always expensive. Apple, Mercedes, Red Bull etc. - all those products are, objectively, overpriced. Probably best example is Evian which sells regular tap water for something like 1000% markup...

Don't panic

Buy whatever models from whoever you like(to suit your army) Ebay ETC.

We have a good set of rules....All hail the pancake
STUFF GW They need us more than we need them.

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do you folks complain and then keep buying their stupid-ass games? The models are cool, the games are not good. There are a LOT of good games out there - Warmachine, Hordes, and Malifaux being a few that I've tried, and LOVED - with good companies that care about their customers and communicate.

Don't go sell your models tomorrow, but get a demo in at a local store with a game that looks cool to you. It might be enough.

I know I was in and out of 40k within four months, because I didn't like the game and the prices were crazy.

Speaking personally - I play 40k because my friends play 40k, and they aren't interested at all in another game.

I'm trying to get them to buy a starter pack each for Infinity, but it's like pulling fething teeth.

Anything larger than Infinity (the main draw I can get them to see is it's about $100au for a whole 'army') and it's too expensive. Huh, funny that. Even Warmahordes is too expensive.

I also don't want to get into the local Warmahordes scene, since it is by the admission of someone I know who plays it with locals, comprised entirely of TFGs in my area. Every. Single. Person.

So it's play 40k with cool people, play Infinity with no one, or play Warmahordes with complete jerks.

Why wouldn't I stick with 40k?

Fair enough! I started with 40k because I had friends who played. It wasn't enough to keep me personally in the game--like I said, I didn't like it and I didn't like the scale of the game. My local WM/H crew is awesome; that sucks that yours has a bunch of douchebags (mine has them, too, but I just don't play with those folks).

Anyway, sorry if I came off strong. I just came into 40k so excited, and left so deflated. Sometimes I let my emotions run away with me.

I do admit that 40ks mechanics aren't the best, even as someone who still likes it. It basically comes down to who I play with, as I said. If I could get my friends into Warmahordes or Infinity (and I'm fething well trying on the Infinity front), it would be awesome. But as it is, my friends don't care about a better balanced game. They, like me, just want to push some plastic men around the table, throw some dice, drink some beer, and kill an afternoon. 40k isn't bad at all if that's all you're doing.

Price hikes aren't hard to deal with when you're only buying one kit every few months anyway.

Tor Gaming wrote:Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!

Like GW.

And Forgeworld.

Tor Gaming wrote:Anyone outside the EU DO NOT pay vat on items they buy from within the EU. I DO NOT then pay the VAT to the government for that sale because it is not a EU resident buying the product so it attracted no VAT.

The problem with the system is that people outside the EU can't claim a VAT refund for online purchases.

Brothererekose wrote:Awright, I dunno if you can call my crappy comic 'art', but here it is. Check my sig for more:

Darn right we do!

Fred and Bob are awesome.

Liquidice281 wrote:The U.S. dollar is on a pretty good streak, hopefully by the end of the summer, we can have an exchange rate of 1.1 euro per dollar. Forgeworld would then be the best place to buy models.

If the exchange is 1.1 by the end of summer I will be purchasing a lot of goods from European retailers. VAT or not.

More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

fulop78 wrote:Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

Also Brushfire from On The Lamb
http://www.on-the-lamb.com
For $71* you and a buddy are all set.

*Two $35 Warbands & a $1 PDF Rulebook

Backfire wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

As GW is market leader, they don't need to be price competive - top brands are always expensive. Apple, Mercedes, Red Bull etc. - all those products are, objectively, overpriced. Probably best example is Evian which sells regular tap water for something like 1000% markup...

Yeh, GW loves to say that, don't they?

Unfortunately, it doesn't stack up well with reality. GW is more like a Wal-Mart or MacDonald's: ubiquitous in their market. The problem is that GW thinks they are the Porsche of gaming. And to that, I will leave the rebuttal to by friend Razogor Sockbat.



Porsche became the Porsche of cars by offering a product far superior to what the average car buyer can get. To use one of your example brands, the customer never has to root through Apple iPads to find the one that isn't mal-formed.

Plenty of other companies offer equivalent or even superior products to GW at a lower price (Red Box Games and Infinity for a start) . GW's miniatures are not that great, their aesthetic is not that great, their rules are downright terrible and their IP has become stale and uninteresting compared to their competitors. The only thing GW can offer that their rivals can't is that you can go into any gaming shop in the world and chances are good if anyone plays miniatures there, that someone will play GW. If they want to press that market advantage, they need to make their miniatures cheaper than their competitors. Making them more expensive just drives people to other games and eliminates the only strength GW has.

Malifaux time, lads.

No, let's not be so blunt. What I'm saying, is that there's only so many price hikes an average guy can tolerate before deviating away to other game systems. Small, skirmish games are fast, and fun, and importantly, don't demand the same money and time investment. Sorry, Games Workshop. Warhammer 40,000 is at risk of taking the back seat, for now.

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

DarthOvious wrote:

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

How about this?

As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money.

Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores

Multiple edits are bad.

The impression I got from other posters was that they didn't like the new GW price. So they're going to online retailers in order to pay a lower price. But the lower price you pay from an online retailer doesn't come out of GW's pocket, it comes out of the online retailer's pocket (or rather, affects their earnings).

Sorry if that was unclear.

Hey for the spreadsheet posts, i noticed a few things missing (Ork Battle wagon, Necron Monolith, etc) does this mean there not getting an increase or are they a part of the post that was to small to read?

biccat wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

How about this?

As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money.

Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores

Multiple edits are bad.

The impression I got from other posters was that they didn't like the new GW price. So they're going to online retailers in order to pay a lower price. But the lower price you pay from an online retailer doesn't come out of GW's pocket, it comes out of the online retailer's pocket (or rather, affects their earnings).

Sorry if that was unclear.

I know what you're getting at now. Thanks for the clarification. Local (FLGS) retailers though will charge what they know they can afford and get away with. Yes, it's cheaper to get your items at your FLGS if you get a 10% discount, but I would imagine they factor that into what they can reasonably get away with selling their minis and still make a profit. I think they do it in order to get more customers.

I wanted to buy a drop pod one time from a FLGS but they didn't have one in stock. They offered to order one for me in. When I told them it was OK I'll try elsewhere they said to me on the spot the words "We're cheaper than Games Workshop". Unfortunately though I needed to get one for next week and I said to him that I wouldn't be back in town until next week. Hence why I had to look elsewhere.

SInce I came back to the hobby earlier this year I have been purchasing things from GW. I've never really had a problem with the price hikes and I can understand that prices need to be raised due to inflation. However this is now the third year running that I know of that price hikes have been introduced and its not just a simple 2-3% across the board for inflation. Some items are going up 20% or 30%. I'm really thinking about my options now and whats the best way to go about things. I'm not going to quit the hobby, I'm not even going to quit 40k/fantasy, but I do need to look after my wallet. So I'm either thinking of buying more things from the FLGS in town where I go every Saturday, ironically to play 40k at Games Workshop or I buy online from a discounted retailer.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

Really what are you buying? "A fool and his money are some party!"

Andrew1975 wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

Really what are you buying? "A fool and his money are some party!"

Perhaps he was spending it on blackjack and hookers.

This level of price increase is disgusting. They are taking a gamble with their profit margins\revenue by doing this in this economy.

Net: I won't be buying any new armies; period. I will just maintain the ones I have, update them for each new edition. I will only be buying a minimal
amount of models needed for my list(s). I will buy nothing because it looks cool. GW can only obsolete a certain % of models in your army between
editions. Some stuff will always be valid.

I am lucky I have massive armies that are mostly done. This price increase will have a minimal impact on me. However, new guys just getting into the game,
or yo yo's that sell their army cheap to buy a new one - are screwed.

You can make some full units/vehicles with horde of bits too.

gilljoy wrote:As someone said over on bell of lost souls if every single member there (and I'm assuming here) stoped buying GW products it wouldnt even make a dip in there profits.

What we need to be doing is bombarding GW with letter and emails about the fact that we're unhappy with yet another price rise. Its going to get to the stage where they'll be pricing themselves out of alot of peoples price range. Ranting and raving on here wont make a blind bit of difference because I find it very hard to believe that GW even cares what we say on these forums.

They won't care what you write in a letter either, you can't guilt or shame GW into anything. If the sales from forum users make little impact on their profits, what do you think a series of strongly worded letters will achieve? The majority of shares in GW are held by holding companies there for the profits, not individuals who 'care' about it. The biggest individual owning shares is Kirby himself, and he really doesn't care what you think because he's doing just fine for himself.

GW will only 'care' when the profit margin takes a hit and the dividends can't be covered and banks get funny about lending them money. At which point shareholders outside the daily running of the company, those other than Kirby and his friends, might take more notice but I think it's more likely that they won't 'care' about GW in the way you want them to care about its well being and the customers. Being investors they will just sell up and get out leaving the company in financial trouble with a falling share value. That's probably when someone will buy it out, if there is a company out there actually interested, and they might just want the IP for licencing.

Yeah, TBH, after Kirby retires and the company falls apart, I can easily see a computer game company buying GW, stripping out the IP to use, and selling off the miniatures business to someone.

Howard A Treesong wrote:They won't care what you write in a letter either, you can't guilt or shame GW into anything. If the sales from forum users make little impact on their profits, what do you think a series of strongly worded letters will achieve? The majority of shares in GW are held by holding companies there for the profits, not individuals who 'care' about it. The biggest individual owning shares is Kirby himself, and he really doesn't care what you think because he's doing just fine for himself.

GW will only 'care' when the profit margin takes a hit and the dividends can't be covered and banks get funny about lending them money. At which point shareholders outside the daily running of the company, those other than Kirby and his friends, might take more notice but I think it's more likely that they won't 'care' about GW in the way you want them to care about its well being and the customers. Being investors they will just sell up and get out leaving the company in financial trouble with a falling share value. That's probably when someone will buy it out, if there is a company out there actually interested, and they might just want the IP for licencing.

Letters can make a difference. It's an extreme long shot but it has more of a chance of helping the cause than posting on here.

Whether a company cares about its perceived public opinion separates elite companies from the pack. Do you think McDonald's or Starbucks give a crap if I am unhappy with my $5 order? Financially, not at all. But still, if I let them know why I am unhappy, they apologize and shower with me free food coupons. And then there are always exceptions...I'm looking at you Apple. /soapbox