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LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

How will they get them? With their extensive advertisement campaign? Warhammer 40k is practically becoming the dark part of the game store that no one new wonders into.

How much is the price hike on IG vehicles and infantry?

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.

Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?

Thats actually the "correct" way, according to GW's theory.

Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.
GW fans will purchase what they like ( in same amount ) without regarding price.
Hence GW fans will be the ones that supports that idealogy / business model.
Therefor GW will raise the price hoping to be supported by the fans.

I think the sales drops and multiple 'no buy' protests are solid evidence that this plan is not working out for them.
Are you sure thats the case for GW?
Im not disagreeing with you its a bad thing, but the red part is related and makes sense.

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

There is a limit to how much blood cattle have and how much cattle you can fit in an area.

They are created and then expired.

Much like the battery farms in Matrix xD

Eventually they'll want heavy duty batteries then.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

How will they get them? With their extensive advertisement campaign? Warhammer 40k is practically becoming the dark part of the game store that no one new wonders into.

Simple. Close down bunkers, reopen 1 man GW shops.
Keep the GW sphere of influence alive, short term sustenance per cattle.

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "
"A Company favors customers that does not think. If we can tell them what to think is cool, we can plan our releases easier"

Oh wait, Space Marines.

Neither of us are arguing though and more or less it seems we're agreeing on the same points and just reiterating them or adding to them.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

Target them before they grow up and see it as a rip off, the younger they are the more likely all the shininess will convince them.

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "

Can this still work if the said weeded population is the majority of your customers? I guess it could if they just do another price increase to make up for the set of lost customers that the last price increase generated.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "

Can this still work if the said weeded population is the majority of your customers? I guess it could if they just do another price increase to make up for the set of lost customers that the last price increase generated.

"GW is the largest and bestest hobby wargaming company by far in the world"
Said Tom Kirby in better english.
According to him, GW can afford minute loss of customers that defects to warmachine.

Honestly, I care not whether it "works" or not.
Its not in my interest as I have no ties with GW financially
I just think its entertaining to see how they plan things.

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Holy CRAP. If they are really increasing prices that much, I'm ordering a whole bunch of crap tomorrow....

Would they REALLY make the prices that high though? How much will a SM or IG infantry squad be according to the list?

Neither of those boxes are having a price increase.

Oh... Then this won't affect me much...

Are they raising prices on stuff like Leman Russes much?

I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Eh, I still play SM, but I like my Guard army WAAAAY better.

Dantalian wrote:I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Well must be nice to be rich like you -_-

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Well must be nice to be rich like you -_-

Actually it was more of a jab at Space Marine players. More price increases on them please.

Why? Sure, they are the most overhyped army, but why would you wish price increases on someone? lol

Are the prices on guard vehicles going up terribly?

I just got the last Storm Raven in stock at my FLGS. Thanks for the heads up Dakka!

These are the only IG price increases:

$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE
$10.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIANS (these are the pushfit models)
$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE
$37.25 - IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA

Nothing worth losing sleep over. Honestly, aside from the Land Raider and the Storm Raven, this price increase isn't nearly as bad as they've been in the past.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:These are the only IG price increases:

$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE
$10.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIANS (these are the pushfit models)
$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE
$37.25 - IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA

Nothing worth losing sleep over. Honestly, aside from the Land Raider and the Storm Raven, this price increase isn't nearly as bad as they've been in the past.

Will you be my sugar daddy?

I'm feeling better now.... I don't even plan on ever running a land raider.

A great way to get 2 IG troop squads for the price of 1.5 is to buy one regular squad of cadians, then 2 of the push fit ones, and use the extra weps from the regular squad to equip the push fir squad. It only gives you basic options, but still better than paying for 2 regular ones.

GalacticDefender wrote:I'm feeling better now.... I don't even plan on ever running a land raider.

A great way to get 2 IG troop squads for the price of 1.5 is to buy one regular squad of cadians, then 2 of the push fit ones, and use the extra weps from the regular squad to equip the push fir squad. It only gives you basic options, but still better than paying for 2 regular ones.

Young Padawan you would make a great heir to Tom kirby

If this is true, I'm glad that I'm considering quitting WFB/40k to pursue other games (i.e. WarmaHordes and Malifaux)...

Seriously, $82.50 for a storm raven and $75 for a land raider is just excessive... I just skimmed the list, but did it say that the chaos land raider is also going up? I don't remember seeing it.

All this complaining... I would love for a $82.50 Stormraven. Instead it is US$107 here in Australia.

Snufflesms wrote:All this complaining... I would love for a $82.50 Stormraven. Instead it is US$107 here in Australia.

You guys are the test subject to price increase for the rest of the world xD

The GW marketing strategy is almost as idiotic as Netflix's. The problem is that hobby budgets aren't growing so the higher prices means people are only going to buy fewer units less often. Demand isn't going up an price increases lower demand. They'll only make money when they release new/broken models that everyone "needs to stay competitive". Even that has diminishing returns.

They really neef to invest more in the game and getting new players. They need cheap entry level models and low point games. More powerful modelss should be more expensive and a higher point level and more prestigious competitive play.

Currently GW is only pimping out its IP to game studios, movie studios, publishers etc. and leaving the actual game to independent tournaments and gaming clubs. I really don't see why we bother with GW models at all. Someone could easilly create similar models with different names and undercut GW. And GW wouldn't really have any legal recourse at least in U.S. Sure they could sue but they really wouldn't have a case provided the artwork is original.

As someone said over on bell of lost souls if every single member there (and I'm assuming here) stoped buying GW products it wouldnt even make a dip in there profits.

What we need to be doing is bombarding GW with letter and emails about the fact that we're unhappy with yet another price rise. Its going to get to the stage where they'll be pricing themselves out of alot of peoples price range. Ranting and raving on here wont make a blind bit of difference because I find it very hard to believe that GW even cares what we say on these forums.

I'd suggest that someone who is a better writer than myself write a template letter which others can add there name too and post or email to GW HQ themselves to let them know how alot of there core fans are feeling and let them know that we're not happy with this price rise along with reduced quality (finecast) as well as getting extra goodies in some boxes of minis like hairs and the like which is just disgusting when paying for a premium product.

I will still be buying stuff but not from gw direct. Although our flgs don't stock vostroyans :(

Brothererekose wrote:I may have done something stupid ... besides posting the tripe above:

I mentioned the price increase to my wife.

Just tell her you'll spend the same but just get less for your money. If shes akward about it just add up all the luxury goods that she buys and tell her she can cut back on those too if she is going to force you to do it.

All Hail EBAY!