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crazy beanz wrote:So in 1999 point games i can field a total of 3 hqs (2 from primary and 1 from an allied detachment). In2000 pts 6 hqs (4 from two primary and 1 additional from the two allied detatchments? Do i have this right?

Unfortunately yes. (as long as you meet the troop requirements of 2 from each primary and 1 from each allied force). With 6 HQs and 6 Troops, that doesn't leave much room for anything else though in the 2000pts.

thank you sir, for the clarification.

do you know anything about the weaken resolve not being able to be fired from a transport thing someone else stated earlier?

RegulusBlack wrote:thank you sir, for the clarification.

do you know anything about the weaken resolve not being able to be fired from a transport thing someone else stated earlier?

Prior to that strange 5th Ed. FAQ ruling, you always could do it... now that the 5th Ed. FAQ no longer applies, I would assume so, however someone with the actual rulebook should probably explain any rule that states yes/no on the issue, and hopefully even cite a page number in the process.

thx azazel,

seems pretty straightforward to me, used during a shooting attack would seem the intent was that it was a shooting power but, i can see how rules lawyers would say it has to be specific.

pretre wrote:Did they put power blades from warp spiders in the BBB? Right now they aren't PW but give an extra attack and ignore armor saves (unlike banshees who have pw).

I really like this buff for Warp Spiders. They fall inline with Bone Swords and will make me greatly consider bringing them more often. Additionally Swooping Hawks got a lot better as now they can DS in and throw their haywire grenades. Everything else about the Eldar FaQ is alright, I will miss str9 Witchblades though. :(

Good and bad side on my Black Templars. Rage (+2 Attacks) instead of the old PE (rerolls to hit) really increased our strength statistically at least. However we took a hit with Furious Charge, Character Challenges, and Power Weapons. Seems like it will equal out nicely, and the Emperor's Champion got a much needed buff from the +2 attacks.

It seems like my Imperial Guard weathered the storm the best, the Vendetta just got THAT much better. Having the Hydra among all the armies that seem lacking of AA is also really nice. Otherwise they will do pretty good but parking lot got a debuff....blob got a buff.

Hello,

i've just thought of something that may help Tau player for the lack of Target Lock :

with the new rules, any character can split fire, right?
And this FAQ say that Team Leader or Sha'vre unit type is : Jetpack, Character

So Target lock is more limited, but free on the leader.... (Or I've really messed up the book with the rumors... The book is at my FLGS, can't check right now)
=> edit : Thanks Chrysis, I should stop thinking to 40K rulings in the morning before my third coffee...


Too bad I don't really like what is happening to my Eldar (love my CC squads, even if they are quite inefficient right now...), but my Tau seem to get a boost.
Well, at least I have 2 army that get well along on the alliance chart...

P.S. : Sorry for my bad English, but everyone knows that French people can't type English correctly...

You've messed up. Any character can do Precision Hits, where they allocate the wounds from any of their rolls of a 6 to hit (as long as it isn't Blast, Template or a Snap Shot). They can't split fire at all.

Argh, crap thanks for correcting me but between the new rules the rumors and the 5th ed, I may have to stop for a while and really read again the rules carefully.

Well back to the drawing board!

warboss wrote:

crazy beanz wrote:So in 1999 point games i can field a total of 3 hqs (2 from primary and 1 from an allied detachment). In2000 pts 6 hqs (4 from two primary and 1 additional from the two allied detatchments? Do i have this right?

Unfortunately yes. (as long as you meet the troop requirements of 2 from each primary and 1 from each allied force). With 6 HQs and 6 Troops, that doesn't leave much room for anything else though in the 2000pts.

My next 2000 points army will be an "all character" space wolves army... No wording on that was changed, so, each HQ slot in a space wolf army means 2 HQ in the room ^^ (8+1 HQs, 3 troops )

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

warboss wrote:

crazy beanz wrote:So in 1999 point games i can field a total of 3 hqs (2 from primary and 1 from an allied detachment). In2000 pts 6 hqs (4 from two primary and 1 additional from the two allied detatchments? Do i have this right?

Unfortunately yes. (as long as you meet the troop requirements of 2 from each primary and 1 from each allied force). With 6 HQs and 6 Troops, that doesn't leave much room for anything else though in the 2000pts.

My next 2000 points army will be an "all character" space wolves army... No wording on that was changed, so, each HQ slot in a space wolf army means 2 HQ in the room ^^ (8+1 HQs, 3 troops )

5 troops.

Why do all characters? Just use Wolfguard and precision shot with CMLs firing kraks. BOOM HEADSHOT!

Trazyn just got a huge boost as well, with the CCB as a chariot he can now use his Empathic Obliterator from it in assault!

Not sure this was asked or said, But grey knight power weapons are now unusual(they keep thier rules in their codex) and are ap3. So the Warding staff is not a "staff" type weapon then Common sense would say. Or am i completely wrong and missed something

Arrathon wrote:Not sure this was asked or said, But grey knight power weapons are now unusual(they keep thier rules in their codex) and are ap3. So the Warding staff is not a "staff" type weapon then Common sense would say. Or am i completely wrong and missed something

I agree with you, if GK halberds don't follow general halberd power weapon rules, than neither do GK staves. All those unusual force weapons the GKs have are AP3 unless otherwise stated in their own rules (like their hammer, which is AP2). GK Falchions, Swords, Halbreds and Staves are all AP3, plus whatever special abilities the GK codex gives for each of them. I don't see how to read the rule in the new rulebook any other way.

Correct. Even though Halberds say they are Halberds, and Staves say they are Staves, they are not actually halberds or staves, as the FAQ outlines.

Such is the genius of GW's writing.

Thanks to GW, now I HAVE to re-model my librarian since he is holding a staff. He can't even kill a normal space marine with that staff.

leohart wrote:Thanks to GW, now I HAVE to re-model my librarian since he is holding a staff. He can't even kill a normal space marine with that staff.

I thought staves fell under 'Unusual Force Weapons' and were AP3?

pretre wrote:

leohart wrote:Thanks to GW, now I HAVE to re-model my librarian since he is holding a staff. He can't even kill a normal space marine with that staff.

I thought staves fell under 'Unusual Force Weapons' and were AP3?

That's what we were just saying! Scroll up a little.


Also, magnets for ICs is usually a good idea.

Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

leohart wrote:Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

GW has sold librarian models with axes as well.

leohart wrote:Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

That's your own fault for using Finecast. Sorry dude.

Joe Mama wrote:

leohart wrote:Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

That's your own fault for using Finecast. Sorry dude.

Wait, why is it his fault?

Fafnir wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:

leohart wrote:Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

That's your own fault for using Finecast. Sorry dude.

Wait, why is it his fault?

I think you'll find your experience on Dakka is better if you use the Ignore button in certain circumstances.

Fafnir wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:

leohart wrote:Not GK librarian, just a good old Space Marine librarian (e.g. from the finecast librarian in terminator armour kit). He clearly has a staff.

That's your own fault for using Finecast. Sorry dude.

Wait, why is it his fault?

Relax. It was a joke.

jmurph wrote:Why do all characters? Just use Wolfguard and precision shot with CMLs firing kraks. BOOM HEADSHOT!

For the fun of having 8 HQs in the table (and practicaly nothing else).

And I say: sher-up WYGIWYS, my Rune Priest is modeled with a blade, but it specify in his profile as a force weapon... I dont know what is a force weapons now, but i suspect it S:-r, AP3.

My Wolf Guard Battle Leader in other way, Carry a Power Weapon who looks like an axe... I dont care what you say, that thing dont strike at Initiative 1!!!

What is freaking me is the Crozius Arcanun, i really like my wolf priest, someone said now crozius act as a maul, and sudenly it dont ignore marine armors anymore... :(

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:And I say: sher-up WYGIWYS, my Rune Priest is modeled with a blade, but it specify in his profile as a force weapon... I dont know what is a force weapons now, but i suspect it S:-r, AP3.

That would be a force sword. So, yes.

My Wolf Guard Battle Leader in other way, Carry a Power Weapon who looks like an axe... I dont care what you say, that thing dont strike at Initiative 1!!!

Unfortunately, yes it does. If you purchased a power weapon or frost weapon from the SW codex, then it will be a power axe or frost axe. Might I suggest switching to a sword?

What is freaking me is the Crozius Arcanun, i really like my wolf priest, someone said now crozius act as a maul, and sudenly it dont ignore marine armors anymore... :(

Technically, only the C:SM Crozius is a maul right now. C:SW is listed as 'Crozius Arcanum (Power Weapon)' vs C:SM 'Crozius Arcanum' and didn't get a FAQ ruling. That will probably change though.

pretre wrote:Unfortunately, yes it does. If you purchased a power weapon or frost weapon from the SW codex, then it will be a power axe or frost axe. Might I suggest switching to a sword?

Unless he is going to tournaments, making this clear to his opponent should be good enough.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

pretre wrote:Unfortunately, yes it does. If you purchased a power weapon or frost weapon from the SW codex, then it will be a power axe or frost axe. Might I suggest switching to a sword?

Unless he is going to tournaments, making this clear to his opponent should be good enough.

The key here is also consistency. Every frost sword in his army should be as easily identifiable and consistent with every other frost sword in the army. The same goes for every other weapon. This is where the problems start.

Joe Mama wrote:

Arrathon wrote:Not sure this was asked or said, But grey knight power weapons are now unusual(they keep thier rules in their codex) and are ap3. So the Warding staff is not a "staff" type weapon then Common sense would say. Or am i completely wrong and missed something

I agree with you, if GK halberds don't follow general halberd power weapon rules, than neither do GK staves. All those unusual force weapons the GKs have are AP3 unless otherwise stated in their own rules (like their hammer, which is AP2). GK Falchions, Swords, Halbreds and Staves are all AP3, plus whatever special abilities the GK codex gives for each of them. I don't see how to read the rule in the new rulebook any other way.

The BRB pg60 states that Halberds are axes and as such would be AP2 and +1S & a Warding Staff would count as a blunt weapon AP4 and +2S or do I have this wrong ?

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

pretre wrote:Unfortunately, yes it does. If you purchased a power weapon or frost weapon from the SW codex, then it will be a power axe or frost axe. Might I suggest switching to a sword?

Unless he is going to tournaments, making this clear to his opponent should be good enough.

But then we are proxying. If you're cool with proxying in friendly games, that's fine. I'm not a fan.

edit: in our group, we generally allow proxies for testing, but not for long term stuff.