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To be fair, the new Lord of Change and a unit of Flamers could soon be making their way into my Thousand Sons lists in a relatively cheap battalion.

Spell Thief and mortal wounds on 6s to wound is very interesting.

I seem to roll lot's of 7's with my GUO when casting spells so for 1CP to get something for all those 7's I seem to roll seems like a worthy use (for me in particular) of that 1 measly CP..

Flesh hounds are going to be faster. 1CP to advance and charge plus 2" if any enemy models were killed that same turn. For mono Khorne it's not going to be easy killing in the shooting phase but if you have Tzeentch and/or Nurgle Daemons in your force they should be able to kill something between psychic and shooting, especially Flamers causing mortal wounds in addition to regular damage on 6's.

The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Those Flyers are nuts (if this isn't fake)

- Can turn twice like a Craftworld flyer
- T7 like a heavy Marine flyer
- Option to hover
- minus one damage like a Wave Serpent / in-built Iron Stone
- Cover thanks to Canticles

I guess we have to be thankful the -2 combo with Stygies won`t be around for long, lol

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

Did anyone see the Bomber page yet?

 Kanluwen wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

I was just thinking that unless that changes in the re-written forgeworld books that they have done.

 Nicorex wrote:
Did anyone see the Bomber page yet?

Agamembar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

I was just thinking that unless that changes in the re-written forgeworld books that they have done.

I have one small, twinkling hope...we might get a Secutarii Axiarch for a Skitarii HQ choice.

Not necessarily with Engine War, mind you, but when we get our Codex update.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Nicorex wrote:
Did anyone see the Bomber page yet?

Spoiler:

Thank you very much!

Come on daemons leaks!

That Bomber doesn't look very good at first glance.

Bomber is a perfect target for this:


It's interesting that people seem so laser focused on how 'bad' these flyers are...but I'm liking that the Stratoraptor(gunship) variant actually makes you choose between being harder to hit all the time, or being able to hit reliably.

I think the Bomber is going to be the star of the fleet. Just need 4s to pile mortal wounds on a unit you pass over. The transport dosent really carry enough bodies to be more than a late game objective graber.Gunship is a waste to me. I can hit well or not get hit well. Plus with the tech available to AdMech, I can not understand the insistence of stubber weapons. Why couldnt it have had Arc Rifles?

Depends on the points really.

If you thought the transport was 125, and the other two 150, I'm not sure you are leaping up and down in horror. They are going to be weirdly difficult to kill (assuming Stygies) - but... at least for the transport and bomber its still just 12 heavy stubber shots, potentially on BS4+. We are in an edition which doesn't value that very highly.

Points costs have been leaked in french

Preorders are up in NZ...but there's no sprue breakdowns!

Dracarys wrote:
Points costs have been leaked in french

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/gallery/zlD5CIN

Edit - was reading the points off another post - somehow got to 32 points...


If i'm reading it right, it's 13 for Skystalkers and 17 for the Sterylizors?

Bit less than i was expecting for the Skystalkers, but about right for the Sterylizors.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That Bomber doesn't look very good at first glance.

Agreed. Do about 5 mortal wounds a turn to 10+ model infantry units or 1.5 to a vehicle or monster, until the bomber gets blown up.
It doesn't surprise me that it took about three tries to work through the rubbish clauses strung together in no particular order and rearrange them into functional English.
Apparently it also carries an infinite number of bombs. The deathstrike and manticore feel bad.

The chaff launcher is weird, too. I'd expect a limited use 'auto-miss' effect, not 'all damage is reduced forever.'

The pre-order page collage of supplement pages is too small to figure out what it says is "in this book" for daemons or to make out anything about about chaos knights, hrmmm.

Tyel wrote:
Depends on the points really.

If you thought the transport was 125, and the other two 150, I'm not sure you are leaping up and down in horror. They are going to be weirdly difficult to kill (assuming Stygies) - but... at least for the transport and bomber its still just 12 heavy stubber shots, potentially on BS4+. We are in an edition which doesn't value that very highly.

Maybe. But they can ignore the heavy weapon penalty with Mars canticle, once the Stygies combo dies, have the Eldar manouverability to snipe characters with those stubbers and just generally add up to the pre-nerf Iron Hands Flyer list, except every flyer takes their personal Iron Stone with them, can turn twice for much better angles and gain canticles-Cover where other flyers (currently) cannot.

164 for a Stratoraptor,
110 for Fusilave
100 for transvector
15ppm skystalkers
17ppm(!) sterylizors
14ppm Raiders
16ppm Sulphurhounds


From the Admech Tactics thread.

Kdash wrote:
164 for a Stratoraptor,
110 for Fusilave
100 for transvector
15ppm skystalkers
17ppm(!) sterylizors
14ppm Raiders
16ppm Sulphurhounds


From the Admech Tactics thread.

The Skitarii stuff looks like it'll be cheap per model BUT let's not forget weapons aren't always in that cost and not always free.

Lol.

They can make the Bloodthirster strength 70 with 20k attacks but if the bloody thing can't reliably get into combat to use the nice stats and survive a single turn on the board then what's the point?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Kdash wrote:
164 for a Stratoraptor,
110 for Fusilave
100 for transvector
15ppm skystalkers
17ppm(!) sterylizors
14ppm Raiders
16ppm Sulphurhounds


From the Admech Tactics thread.

The Skitarii stuff looks like it'll be cheap per model BUT let's not forget weapons aren't always in that cost and not always free.

These include the weapons cost from the leak. All the fixed weaponry appears to be 0 points. The only ones that cost points are the heavy weapons and specialist melee weapons.

Looks like the Transvector is 92 points before wargear and the Fusilave is 102. Stratoraptor is 70. (if the leaked points cost is correct... We should see some review vids shortly to confirm.)

Leaks compiled: https://imgur.com/a/NZLKQU9

 Kanluwen wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

GW is rewriting the FW units here soon. Seems plausible that they will change the unit size of secutarii to 5-10 or 5-20

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

GW is rewriting the FW units here soon. Seems plausible that they will change the unit size of secutarii to 5-10 or 5-20

GW staff were the ones who wrote the 40k Secutarii rules in the first place by all accounts.

I'm still going with them potentially adding a Secutarii character when we get the updated book...but that's me just setting myself up for disappointment again.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Archaeopter datasheets have leaked and the Transvector can transport SECUTARII, so I'm somewhat excited that they've finally integrated the rules for FW units (unless the leak is a fake).

Skorpius Dunerider has the ability to transport Secutarii as well, but fun fact:
The minimum unit size for Peltasts or Hoplites is 10 models.

GW is rewriting the FW units here soon. Seems plausible that they will change the unit size of secutarii to 5-10 or 5-20

GW staff were the ones who wrote the 40k Secutarii rules in the first place by all accounts.

I'm still going with them potentially adding a Secutarii character when we get the updated book...but that's me just setting myself up for disappointment again.

IIRC at the time the secutarii rules were written, the only transport for Admech was the terrax. I doubt there will be a secutarii HQ entry until GW makes a Skitarii character first. Or FW makes an actual model for HH.

That said, 6 is far, far better than 5 as a capacity, and I would love for some other transports to get bumped slightly- Venoms to 6 and Raiders to 11 or 12 would be huge.

The more that I've considered it, the more a Secutarii Axiarch kinda makes sense as the 'Skitarii HQ' choice.