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As it seems that we are totally unable to keep the PA threads on topic from now on we are going to do one thread per book. Quoting Kan here as he laid out the contents of Engine War very nicely;
 Kanluwen wrote:
Engine War article

Alright, so breakdown time!
The two Pteraxii units are called the:
Sterylizors
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Skystalkers
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The Archaeopter variants:
Transvector is the transport variant
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Fusilave is the bomber variant
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Stratoraptor is the gunship variant
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The kit is incredibly customisable, with optional wargear and the ability to be built in flying or landed mode, with the landing skids and legs modelled in different positions.


No point rehashing the cavalry, since we knew them before.


Psychic Awakening Website wrote:Engine War

Twisted by savage psychic storms in the aftermath of the Great Rift’s emergence, the galaxy has become a darker place, and a number of systems have been left to fend for themselves – forgotten, abandoned or simply unreachable. In these places, the enemies of the Imperium grow strong, and even those who remain loyal feel the pressure upon their oaths building. One such place is the fallen forge world of Ordex-Thaag.

Severed from any connection to Mars, the planet is now stalked by Chaos Knights, whose Fallen Noble pilots seek to use the corrupted forges of the world to gouge another empyric rift through the Imperium. The psychic emanations of this techno-sorcery have attracted the attentions of the Chaos Gods, and legions of Daemons seek out those places where the skein between realspace and the warp is thinnest.

Seeking to reclaim the planet and eradicate the illogical and corrupting influence, the Adeptus Mechanicus have sent several cohorts to Ordex-Thaag. Alongside them march many Imperial Knights hunting down their fallen brethren to underline the nobility of their Houses.

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Reminder, STAY ON TOPIC. That topic being PA Engine War. If you wish to discuss other things then start a thread for them in 40k general or elsewhere as the topic demands.

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Repost on what i said in the other thread and expanding on it a bit. Following the talk that Assassin are getting the Inquisitor treatment think they wil do the same with Freeblades and Dreadblades. What armies are there that have mono rules that could potentially benefit by this. Only have Sacred Rites and Combat Doctrine right of my head.

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Was really hoping we'd get a skitarii HQ, but not holding my breath. Other than that, sterilizers are gonna live or die based on whether their flamers are 10 or more inch range.

Skystalkers I'm not sure about. If they get something neat like sniper, could be really neat. Otherwise they just strike me as faster Infiltrators with a longer range flechette blaster. Great antihorde but we're not exactly hurting for that.

The archaeoraptors seem neat, but I'm not seeing much there to draw me in just yet. We'll have to see what those bombs are and what kind of weapons the bomber and strafing plane end up looking like statswise. Especially the bombs. I'm not holding my breath but they could be fun.

As for the cavalry, I really am interested in the vanguard styled ones. If they keep the vanguard -1 toughness debuff they could be very handy backing up dragoons and fulgurites. Fast, handy debuff, decent shooting, and probably not all that shabby melee. The rangers ones seem like their main purpose will be outflanking and grabbing objectives. It doesn't strike me that they'll have much impressive in the way of shooting or melee so I wouldn't be surprised if they're a heap objectives grabbing unit that costs more dollars than it does points.


Other than that, here's hoping they finally fix some of our relics and FW traits, and maybe give us some ways to make less useful units like ruststalkers have a purpose again.

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I like the flyer a lot and I'm undecided about the flying dudes but the cavalry seem really eh to me.

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The units I'm most interested in are the Sulphurhounds & Archeaopter. The Steyrlizers are really gonna depend on how I would integrate them into my Metalica Explorator fleet.

I really hope that they also release the Manipulus & or Daedalosus in clampak form. If the Skitarii get a super-radioactive HQ to go along with this release I'd be even more jazzed.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

We're not getting Daedalosus in clampack form, because he's on a shared sprue.

Manipulus was said at LVO to come out with this, since the GSC got their Kellermorph with Greater Good.

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I am usually a defender of GW naming, but 'sterylizors' is just lame.

Fortunately the models look really good so far. They mentioned at the LVO preview how the mechanism of flight is in fact not the wings, which deals with a number of realism issues, and if the wings end up being totally ornamental and the adtech just THINK they are needed I will love it even more.

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I am usually a defender of GW naming, but 'sterylizors' is just lame.
Better than most of the Nurgle names.

It is lame though.

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"Sterylizor" sounds like a hardcore punk or extreme metal band. Presumably with pretty nasty lyrics.

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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
"Sterylizor" sounds like a hardcore punk or extreme metal band. Presumably with pretty nasty lyrics.


So... about right for 40k?

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 p5freak wrote:
With agents of bile, are we going to see the equivalent of primaris SM for CSM ?


Rather not.

I'd hope more for something inbetween a Marine and Cultists.

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 p5freak wrote:
With agents of bile, are we going to see the equivalent of primaris SM for CSM ?


Rather not.

I'd hope more for something inbetween a Marine and Cultists.

Agreed. Either new men or gland hounds would be great.

Primaris csm would be pretty unimaginative. And very very wrong.

Edit:
Sorry, forgot, Engine War only. There's a csm thread in general if we want to talk about Agents of Bile.

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It would be nice to see the buff he throws out improved. Maybe not random and/or not cause mortal wounds.

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Given half the posts seem to be about War of the Spider will there also be a thread about that book?

And one about the one after, that seems to be Pariah?

(I'm generally in support of this given the other thread was a big infighting whinge.)

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Feel free to start threads for those.

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Any news on the daemons? I don't hope for new minis but rather new competitive rules...
   
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I think if it is talking future psychic awakening then it should be allowable.

I have to say though, I don't like that GW is releasing significant information/reveals about books in advance when the next isn't even delivered, this happened with the DA, GK and TS one, where they released a load of information about greater good when that book wasn't even out yet.

Release and move on.

Anyway, pariah could be very interesting if it is Necron and DW... Imagine if they are both fighting over a source/planet that specifically has the pariah mutation in huge numbers and they are fighting over that resource, with necrons getting back into the pariah game and the DW being sent in on Inquisition orders.

Also, something significant in terms of psykers needs to happen now as well.

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I think if it is talking future psychic awakening then it should be allowable.


Whilst I do agree with you in principle, the last two threads on the subject have shown that people are utterly incapable of sticking to the topic and what is supposed to be News and Rumours devolves into all kinds of off topic nonsense. So no, we will be sticking to one thread per release until the PA series is done.

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 ingtaer wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think if it is talking future psychic awakening then it should be allowable.


Whilst I do agree with you in principle, the last two threads on the subject have shown that people are utterly incapable of sticking to the topic and what is supposed to be News and Rumours devolves into all kinds of off topic nonsense. So no, we will be sticking to one thread per release until the PA series is done.


I also agree with what you think on this matter, however rather than just say "well it's going to turn into a S***show, so we shouldn't" yourself and the rest of the moderators need to do your/their jobs better to be quite frank, suspensions and bans for the most toxic, trolls of the forum, and that's including people that cannot stay on topic.

I have been a member of this forum for quite some time now, and being a member of other forums I do not actually like significant moderation and I hate what I am asking for above, yet there are so many people on here that cannot behave themselves (and I think the current world climate is not helping with less real life things for people to do) then an enforced break is necessary. People just cannot conduct themselves online very well any more, and I have been just as bad at times but seriously, if they don't shut up, set them free, stop ruining it for the rest of us.

Edit 1: That isn't a personal attack at yourself in terms of how you choose to moderate, it's not necessarily a personal attack on any moderator, maybe it's the rules you adhere to yourselves that don't give the flexibility to do what I am requesting above, in which case, maybe those rules need to change? All I'm saying is, use your power a little bit more, just closing and locking off threads actually doesn't do anything, it just shifts the ridiculousness elsewhere in the forum.

Edit 2: Fully aware of the irony in that I am being considerably off topic in moaning about the people that cannot stop being off topic in other threads...

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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think if it is talking future psychic awakening then it should be allowable.


Whilst I do agree with you in principle, the last two threads on the subject have shown that people are utterly incapable of sticking to the topic and what is supposed to be News and Rumours devolves into all kinds of off topic nonsense. So no, we will be sticking to one thread per release until the PA series is done.


I also agree with what you think on this matter, however rather than just say "well it's going to turn into a S***show, so we shouldn't" yourself and the rest of the moderators need to do your/their jobs better to be quite frank, suspensions and bans for the most toxic, trolls of the forum, and that's including people that cannot stay on topic.

I have been a member of this forum for quite some time now, and being a member of other forums I do not actually like significant moderation and I hate what I am asking for above, yet there are so many people on here that cannot behave themselves (and I think the current world climate is not helping with less real life things for people to do) then an enforced break is necessary. People just cannot conduct themselves online very well any more, and I have been just as bad at times but seriously, if they don't shut up, set them free, stop ruining it for the rest of us.

Edit 1: That isn't a personal attack at yourself in terms of how you choose to moderate, it's not necessarily a personal attack on any moderator, maybe it's the rules you adhere to yourselves that don't give the flexibility to do what I am requesting above, in which case, maybe those rules need to change? All I'm saying is, use your power a little bit more, just closing and locking off threads actually doesn't do anything, it just shifts the ridiculousness elsewhere in the forum.

Edit 2: Fully aware of the irony in that I am being considerably off topic in moaning about the people that cannot stop being off topic in other threads...


Feel free to start a thread in Nuts and Bolts for this to avoid dragging this thread further off topic (we haven't even managed a page yet!).

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I just want to know what Daemons are going to get from this.
I particular I'm hoping for some sort of buff for Greater Daemons.

I am worried though that we'll probably get 5-10 pages at best and nothing useful.
While Ad Mech get like half the book.

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We know AdMech is already getting at least 7 new datasheets. I'd probably bet on Create-A-Chapter, too.

5 bucks says Imperial Knights get more and better stuff than Chaos Knights.

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
We know AdMech is already getting at least 7 new datasheets. I'd probably bet on Create-A-Chapter, too.

More than 7 in all likelihood. This is the first instance where we are probably going to see the Techpriest Manipulus and the two Skorpius variants in a non-instruction manual release for their rules.

5 bucks says Imperial Knights get more and better stuff than Chaos Knights.

I mean, what more do Chaos Knights want? You guys get to double up on the good guns already!
   
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 dan2026 wrote:
I just want to know what Daemons are going to get from this.
I particular I'm hoping for some sort of buff for Greater Daemons.

I am worried though that we'll probably get 5-10 pages at best and nothing useful.
While Ad Mech get like half the book.


I think I'd almost expect something like the Grey Knights masters of the warp ability, but perhaps less controlled. Age of Sigmar has had a lot of 'eb and flow' mechanicus that have worked a little like doctrines do now and Nurgle even uses some of them in that system so I'd definitely think that something like that might have been going around their heads when thinking of how to do the Daemon update
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Also both Khorne in the Daemonkin codex and Nurgle with Epidemius have also had reward mechanics - so more poison kills got you additional buffs or rules, or the blood points mechanic Khorne used instead of psychic powers. That's also a similar mechanic I can see coming back - give Daemons a feel that it's something that's started with a breach in reality and is going to get rapidly out of control if you're not able to shut them down.
   
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My main concern about the flying guys and cavalry is that they seem to compete directly against each other as short-range, high-mobility, probably non-very-tough objective grabbers. That means that only one or two of the four units will actually be useful. I think I would have preferred it if one of them was a character instead of a unit, so we could get a new HQ option, run a pure-skitarii force and have one box act as a force-multiplier for the other.
Bit surprised we haven't seen the floating tech-priests from that one piece of art. I guess they really were just a concept piece that never made it into the pipeline.

For Chaos Knights, I think we can probably expect a proper selection of Traitoris Ambitions, which I guess will be welcome. Always seemed a bit strange that they only had two.

Not sure what to expect for daemons. It would be nice if the daemon engines which are currently only available to Heretic Astartes could be taken as part of a Chaos Daemons detachment.
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Would be cool if the PA helps daemons stop being the worst army by far for all the V8...

God, look at the crapy Tzeentch psychic powers. Look at the legion trait "Locus of Trickery", it is litteraly unplayable. Daemons are utter gak. They even flee and the morale rule in V8 punish the verry essence of daemons ; playing big blob of infantery.

   
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 ierp wrote:
Would be cool if the PA helps daemons stop being the worst army by far for all the V8...

God, look at the crapy Tzeentch psychic powers. Look at the legion trait "Locus of Trickery", it is litteraly unplayable. Daemons are utter gak. They even flee and the morale rule in V8 punish the verry essence of daemons ; playing big blob of infantery.



Daemons are far and away superior to many other armies such as Ynnari and were actually the top dog for quite a while in early 8th.
   
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 ierp wrote:
Would be cool if the PA helps daemons stop being the worst army by far for all the V8...

God, look at the crapy Tzeentch psychic powers. Look at the legion trait "Locus of Trickery", it is litteraly unplayable. Daemons are utter gak. They even flee and the morale rule in V8 punish the verry essence of daemons ; playing big blob of infantery.



Daemons are far and away superior to many other armies such as Ynnari and were actually the top dog for quite a while in early 8th.

Yeah but did any competitive list ever use Greater Daemons?
   
 
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