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So I played this opponent in a pickup game in his ork list he brought this :

Big Mek w/ mega force field attached to unit of meks, all of that inside a fully kitted stompa

warboss w/ lucky stikk and mega armor attached to unit of 30 boys

12 boys in trukk

10 grots attached to named runtherder

5 traktor cannons w/ 3 ammo runts a piece

2 dakkajets

The rules were 1 CAD, no fortifications, no allies.

I have tried to think of multiple different necron lists, but cannot think of a way to beat this, but always comes down to stompa will just crush everything I throw at it. I have even tried daemons and had even less luck.

If they always play that army, you could do something like-

Take 2 overlords;

take 2 royal courts of 5x crypteks. 1 is of despair with veil of darkness, the other 4 are all of storm. for each Royal court.

at BS 4 each court should average 12 hp in a single turn of shooting. That should be enough to kill the stompa regardless of the meks inside repairing it.

oz of the north wrote:
The rules were 1 CAD, no fortifications, no allies.

Are your sure it was a Mega Force Field (4++ save)? Because it's not possible to have that and a Lucky Stick in the same Army if there's a 1 CAD max restriction.


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blaktoof wrote:
at BS 4 each court should average 12 hp in a single turn of shooting.

It would kill it assuming they didn't make a single save (unlikely). It's a 12HP model with a (supposedly) 4+ invulnerable.

You'll get one shot with that trick. No one will leave that danger unchallenged after its fired.

Grendel, why are you always right?

 grendel083 wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
The rules were 1 CAD, no fortifications, no allies.

Are your sure it was a Mega Force Field (4++ save)? Because it's not possible to have that and a Lucky Stick in the same Army if there's a 1 CAD max restriction.

I'd struggle to believe that your opponent would even use a Mega Armored Warboss with 30 boys. That's an INCREDIBLY slow moving blob of boys, who you should be able to take care of easily with the number of shots Necrons can put out.

The stompa is scary, yes, but there are worse things out there. Your skimmers will have enough power to move around the board and capture objectives (in malestorm missions at least) which is where your opponent's list lacks. He really doesn't have good maneuvability.

Sketchyfk wrote:
Grendel, why are you always right?

 grendel083 wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
The rules were 1 CAD, no fortifications, no allies.

Are your sure it was a Mega Force Field (4++ save)? Because it's not possible to have that and a Lucky Stick in the same Army if there's a 1 CAD max restriction.

I'd struggle to believe that your opponent would even use a Mega Armored Warboss with 30 boys. That's an INCREDIBLY slow moving blob of boys, who you should be able to take care of easily with the number of shots Necrons can put out.

The stompa is scary, yes, but there are worse things out there. Your skimmers will have enough power to move around the board and capture objectives (in malestorm missions at least) which is where your opponent's list lacks. He really doesn't have good maneuvability.

The issue with the mega armored warboss with lucky stikk is he puts that in front to tank all non-ap2/1 shots and a 2+ rerollable is really hard to kill, and the stompa just shot all its guns and killed all my skimmers first turn.

Regarding relics does it state that 2 different relics cannot be used in a single cad, does it state that, or is one from gazzghul and one from regular?

oz of the north wrote:
Regarding relics does it state that 2 different relics cannot be used in a single cad, does it state that, or is one from gazzghul and one from regular?

One is from the Ghazghkull book (Mega Force Field) the other is from the Ork Codex (Stikk). There's no way to include both in a single Detachment.

Where does it state, this having SW being my primary, just need somewhere to show that

And if you get in to close combat with the stompa, he loses that 4+ invuln save. Since the Mega force field is only vs shooting attacks.

But yes, it is impossible to take both the MFF and the Lucky Stikk in one detachment. However he could take a KFF and the Lucky Stikk in one detachment, but the KFF would only be a 5+ invuln save.

oz of the north wrote:
Where does it state, this having SW being my primary, just need somewhere to show that

It's in the supplement just before the relic list.

It basically says that models taken in a supplement Detachment/Formation that normally take relics from the codex must use the following list instead. You can't mix and match in a single detachment.

Sounds like you want to use a courtstar with scythes, or maybe just mob him with a Wraithwing.

Not to hijack the thread, but would a stern guard with 9 combi-meltas take the Stompa out? They would have the Salamander CT

Wait i though those force fields only apply to the guys inside (faq stuff)

Otherwise where is your Trany shards.

Your doom lazors

or promptly ignore the thing and go for objectives with your flying bakery.

I tried to ignore and go for objectives, but he sat on top of the relic and killed anything near.

The reason no tranny was tournament lists, so nothing that was not in codex or supplements. Stompa is in codex, tranny isnt. Also not biggest fans of doom scythe.

9 sterngaurd prolly not do anything, but 13+ yes will probably kill it.

That would be Relic which is only 1 mission out of 12

unless this tourny is just mass stacking shenanigans agaisnt you.

because you are straight SOL at that point if you are not going to bright flyers to a superheavy fight.

Biggest issue is the stompa will kill everything that tries to get objectives. Biggest annoyance with the fliers would be him bringing the traktor cannons which are the bane of fliers and FMCs.

If he is List tailoring per game then you have other problems.

the stompa doesnt ignore cover in shooting so just hide.

otherwise beam down from scythes when you really need to secure maelstorm mission

It really is not a case of list tailoring he just always brings the traktor cannons, because our meta is full of skimmers/ FMCs.

I'm honestly surprised he is doing so well with the Stompa. While they are scary due to their high amount of Hull Points, the fact he is hitting consistently with his blasts is surprising due to our terrible BS. How often does his Gattler run out of ammo?

As others have said, he is outright cheating (Accidentally or otherwise) by combining the relics from both the Codex and supplement. So, that right there will give you some advantage back, since he is getting a worse Invul save.

The KFF bubble is nice, but remember that it only works on shooting attacks. And while Necrons may not have the best in terms of close combat (Exception being Wraiths), if you can get a Barge and Scythe in for those hit and runs, I wonder if that might do some damage in the end.

I would still bring a couple fliers. Unless he has his Trakktors set up in multiple squads, they will have to fire all at the same target, 1 shot each. He has fliers, which is also a boon to his field control. You need to get some fliers of your own. Necrons have arguably some of the best in the game right now. (Though who knows with the new Codex coming out. They may get better, worse, or stay the same).

I'd try to pepper him with Gauss too as best as you can if the Cryptek star can't deal with it. Gauss isn't the most reliable, but glancing on 6's is better than nothing.

oz of the north wrote:
The reason no tranny was tournament lists, so nothing that was not in codex or supplements. Stompa is in codex, tranny isnt.

Well there's your problem. Don't play games with ridiculous house rules that cripple your army but allow your opponent to take whatever they want. If your opponent has LoW then you should be able to take yours, and you should refuse to play until your opponent stops being TFG.

Edit: Never mind :p

 Peregrine wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
The reason no tranny was tournament lists, so nothing that was not in codex or supplements. Stompa is in codex, tranny isnt.

Well there's your problem. Don't play games with ridiculous house rules that cripple your army but allow your opponent to take whatever they want. If your opponent has LoW then you should be able to take yours, and you should refuse to play until your opponent stops being TFG.

Seconded. This guy's a little too strict-reading to be doing it out of pure intentions.

blaktoof wrote:
If they always play that army, you could do something like-

Take 2 overlords;

take 2 royal courts of 5x crypteks. 1 is of despair with veil of darkness, the other 4 are all of storm. for each Royal court.

at BS 4 each court should average 12 hp in a single turn of shooting. That should be enough to kill the stompa regardless of the meks inside repairing it.

This really is the easiest answer here, and is also a decent take-all-comers option, as the crypteks can be split into squads if needed.

As for the math of it, I wouldn't expect more than 9 HPs of damage per royal court, but since there's 2 royal courts, that's 18 HPs of damage in one turn, providing the deep strike scatters work out for ya. So, after his 4+ invuls, he'll hopefully only have 3 or so HPs left for the rest of your army to deal with. It's very doable.

An added fun note...make one of the overlords Anrakyr the Traveler and take over the Stompa at least once before trying to kill it. Super annoying salt to add to the wound...

6 20 man squads of warriors. that much guass will bring down anything.

Aha, we've lived to a day when orks get cheezy?

 koooaei wrote:
Aha, we've lived to a day when orks get cheezy?

And no one saw this day coming

Played the list just threw 8 warriors with cryptek in ghost ark and gave warriors tank hunter and killed stompa in 2 turns.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
The reason no tranny was tournament lists, so nothing that was not in codex or supplements. Stompa is in codex, tranny isnt.

Well there's your problem. Don't play games with ridiculous house rules that cripple your army but allow your opponent to take whatever they want. If your opponent has LoW then you should be able to take yours, and you should refuse to play until your opponent stops being TFG.

Seconded. This guy's a little too strict-reading to be doing it out of pure intentions.

The rule about only codex is just based on not many people in my area have FW books and the ones that would bring FW are WAAC's, so they might "alter" rules to their benefit, or conveniently forget something on a unit, so anything in a codex is the fairest way and also a way to stop people from bringing Tranny c'tans, which are really broken.

I might nevertheless deliver a few fliers. Unless he's his Trakktors positioned in several squads, they're going to have to fireplace all in the identical goal, One photo every.

Did bring traktors, but focussed them on my skimmers mostly and then was just never able to do anything, for damage always rolled 1s or 2s.

 koooaei wrote:
Aha, we've lived to a day when orks get cheezy?

You Cray - Orks always been cheesy with their force feilds...