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 Fayric wrote:
Personally I dont have a problem with the plastic wulfen. With a dark paintjob, irl they look fine. I think its those kind of models that suffer from "official paintjob" and 2d pictures.

I'm not a SW player, so this is probably a heretical take, but my issue with Wulfen is that I detest the 'wolf-man' look.

I understand why it's used when films/movies don't have the budget for a proper werewolf, but seeing it used on models (which do not need to worry about the effects budget) is just jarring.

One feels GW needs to pick a side - either make them berserkers who just have wolf-themed outfits/gear, or go all in on making them actual werewolves:

The old, metal 13th company Wolfen were wolf-man and they were decent. The plastics, not so much. I agree that Wolfen should either be roid-raging exposed muscle guys with beards, OR go all in like the PopGoestheMonkey sculpts

Full on werewolves in power armour just looks ridiculous - not even actual beastmen are that far gone.

The blend of man and beast makes far more sense for "space wolf" space marines who've spent far too much time in the warp saturated Eye of Terror and started to pick up a mutation to too. Though it obviously goes without saying that the old metals are much better than the new plastics.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yup. And they represent the end state of the frost weapon baloney too.
In 2e there was Frostfang, Ragnar’s personal weapon, a unique named chainsword with a power field that it could support because it had teeth from an ice kraken. Then suddenly everyone could take frost weapons which were just power weapons +1 but still described as chainblades. Then, completely out of left field, frost weapons became literal ice blades somehow.

Like Dante and 'his' Inferno pistol, the only tiny melta in the galaxy! Now every Inquisitor has one, and a seraphim squad can pack four!

Feels like Wulfen used to be just the 13th company that was lost in the eye of terror and came back as mutated beastmen (the beloved metal wulfen).
These days wulfen is a flaw in the astartes process for SW (the canis helix), and manifest as mutations triggered by raw fury.
The 13th was supposedly just mutated by the stress of beeing lost in the eye for a couple of thousand years.

Probably lore from 5th edition when wulfen was just a unit upgrade that granted a guy an extra d6 attacks, if memmory serves.

OK...I may have to go all in on the "werewolves-in-power-armor" for my Wulfen. I have several of the old metals and a half chewed box of the trash resins so I have deliberately avoided the question for years...

But that combines Confrontation Wulfen with 40K Marine Armor...my kind of aesthetic.

See, when it comes to werewolves, I'm a World of Darkness guy, so I'm all about the five forms:

Human
Near man- think hairy ogre
Wolfman- the most powerful form
Near Wolf- think Direwolf
Wolf

If I was fielding a unit of werewolves, I'd want a mix of forms. There was a lot of other cool werewolf traits related to the five forms- like for example you could have a flaw that denied you access to one of the five forms, or a merit that gave a bonus to one of the forms.

Werewolf mating customs were also weird- a werewolf could have been born and grown to maturity as either a human or a wolf... But they could mate with humans or wolves regardless of their birth form.

Two werewolves mating with each other though, would produce a mutated offspring which would born somewhere on the spectrum between wolf and man, and they would be aware that they were a lycanthrope from their earliest memories... Shunned by both wolves and men and often forced to live in exile and isolation due to the scarcity of fellow lycanthropes to support them through the difficult and dangerous early years.

If you like werewolves and you've never played this game, you gotta check it out. It's been decades since I played, so I don't even know if the game still exists or how closely it resembles the game I remember... But I have found all other werewolf fiction/mythology to inferior to what the World of Darkness has to offer.

Sorry for the tangent...

How soon do we expect the Marine Characters?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yup. And they represent the end state of the frost weapon baloney too.
In 2e there was Frostfang, Ragnar’s personal weapon, a unique named chainsword with a power field that it could support because it had teeth from an ice kraken. Then suddenly everyone could take frost weapons which were just power weapons +1 but still described as chainblades. Then, completely out of left field, frost weapons became literal ice blades somehow.

Like Dante and 'his' Inferno pistol, the only tiny melta in the galaxy! Now every Inquisitor has one, and a seraphim squad can pack four!

Sisters of Battle have had Inferno Pistols since at least the Witch Hunters Codex back in 3rd. I suspect Inquistors have had them since at least Daemon Hunter's Codex.

On the other hand, Dante's Perdition Pistol used to be effectively a Meltagun that was also a Pistol. Now it is a Pistol and a Meltagun with Sustained Hits D3 to boot!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How soon do we expect the Marine Characters?

 Fayric wrote:
Feels like Wulfen used to be just the 13th company that was lost in the eye of terror and came back as mutated beastmen (the beloved metal wulfen).
These days wulfen is a flaw in the astartes process for SW (the canis helix), and manifest as mutations triggered by raw fury.
The 13th was supposedly just mutated by the stress of beeing lost in the eye for a couple of thousand years.

Probably lore from 5th edition when wulfen was just a unit upgrade that granted a guy an extra d6 attacks, if memmory serves.

Canis Helix was in the original SW dex I think that's why 13th company exiled themselves.

Wulfen were 2 things, one being the 13th company who were changed because of 10.000 years hunting Thousand Sons in the Warp

The other being a SW who spilled brothers blood while in rage

Both existing at the same time and in the original lore, 5th Edi Codex only had rules for the 2nd version as 13th was still lost (as the Storm of Chaos was retconned) and didn't return until 9th Edi Codex

 alextroy wrote:
Sisters of Battle have had Inferno Pistols since at least the Witch Hunters Codex back in 3rd. I suspect Inquistors have had them since at least Daemon Hunter's Codex.

On the other hand, Dante's Perdition Pistol used to be effectively a Meltagun that was also a Pistol. Now it is a Pistol and a Meltagun with Sustained Hits D3 to boot!

'Perdition' Pistol doesn't even have any special association for the name Dante! Why they couldn't just make the later Ecclesiarchy armaments 'melta pistols' and leave the old man his special gun name I don't know.

It was not just an Inferno Pistol it was Dante's Inferno. As in the classical literature.

They should of just called other melta-pistols melta-pistols and kept Inferno for Dante.

Tygre wrote:
It was not just an Inferno Pistol it was Dante's Inferno. As in the classical literature.

They should of just called other melta-pistols melta-pistols and kept Inferno for Dante.

I studied litterature at university, and didnt make the connection untill now Good catch.

Inferno was the name of the book, but in it, Dante walked through all nine rings of Hell and was witness to every form of Perdition...

So while it isn't as obvious as Inferno pistol, there absolutely IS a connection between Dante and Perdition- and some would argue a greater connection: fire was only one of the forms of perdition which Dante witness, passed through and survived on his journey through Hell.

Also, "Inferno Pistol" doesn't sound like a name; it's a generic noun with a modifier.
Perdition sounds like a name.

What some of us are getting at is that originally, when he was first introduced in 2nd Edition, Dante didn't have AN Inferno Pistol, he had THE Inferno Pistol. As in one, singular. There was one and only one Inferno Pistol, and it belonged to Dante. This should never have been changed. They could call everybody else's a melta-pistol or something. When you take something unique about an important character and start handing it out to anybody with a pulse, it cheapens the setting.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
What some of us are getting at is that originally, when he was first introduced in 2nd Edition, Dante didn't have AN Inferno Pistol, he had THE Inferno Pistol. As in one, singular. There was one and only one Inferno Pistol, and it belonged to Dante. This should never have been changed. They could call everybody else's a melta-pistol or something. When you take something unique about an important character and start handing it out to anybody with a pulse, it cheapens the setting.

I mean, it's not even just the name... when Dante was released, the fact that it was the only melta pistol was precisely what made the Inferno Pistol unique.