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Spin off from another primarch poll thread ...

Ferrus Manus.

Drowning a Living Metal worm (possibly a Necron construct or C'tan shard) bare-handed by holding it under lava (bare handed) is fething amazing.

Hell, just being able to put your bare hands in lava is amazing.

Batman

thing is we don't know eneugh about the orgins of some primarchs compared to others. taking Ferrus Manus' acheivement just for example, we know he did that, but we don't know eneugh about say... Dorn's past to know that he say... (just for example) strangled a blood thrister with his bare hands at the age of 6.

Now, what we DO know is that MOST of the Primarchs conquered their home world (all save Angron, Angron is the "failure" here although I'd note he also had it a lot harder then most of the other Primarchs).


That said from what little we do know, wasn't Gulliman beginning to actually expand his influance beyond his homeworld? if that is the case Gulliman seems to have achomplished the most via the one easy source of comparison.

that said... at the same time... he had it EASY in comparison to many others. Gulliman landed on a civilized world with a solid technology base, and was raised by a compassionate man whom could really enchourage his talents. there's no reason he SHOULDN'T have had some of the best achomplishments. Contrast this with Angron, whom drew the short stick in this regard.

Guilliman

He ran a space empire even before the Emperor found him.

Yeah Guilliman had an empire already didn't he?

Either Guilliman or the Lion. Guilliman took a bunch of disconnected planets and turned them into an empire. The Lion meanwhile took a bunch of dudes in primitive power armor with revolver bolters and purged a planet of Chaos Spawn.

I really can't stress how crazy that is.

Guilliman was the most advanced in what he achieved. Whilst he did achieve a military victory (the native tribes in Illyria, and stopping a coup for power), he was pretty much the only Primarch who actually set up a stable and efficient empire.

Guilliman did achieve a lot but he also started in arguably the best position, except for maybe Magnus.

Not many of the primarchs really became the leaders of their worlds. Besides Guilliman, we have

Curze - ruled an entire planet from the shadows through terrorism
Fulgrim - completely revitalized a stagnant planetary economy
Jonson - downgraded a planet from death world status

It is true that we know basically nothing about what Horus did, if anything, before reuniting with the Emperor.

 Manchu wrote:

It is true that we know basically nothing about what Horus did, if anything, before reuniting with the Emperor.

Horus got picked up at quite young age, as the Emperor raised him up from a child.

That's one story. FW's first HH book tells a bunch of others. Seems like it is quite a mystery.

Alpharius,he had a fleet ready and unlike the other primarchs went to the crusade instead of the crusade coming to him.

 Jinx Magiga wrote:
Alpharius,he had a fleet ready and unlike the other primarchs went to the crusade instead of the crusade coming to him.

We don't know Alpharius' origin. There are three stories in extermination, and they're all lies.

 ImAGeek wrote:

We don't know Alpharius' origin. There are three stories in extermination, and they're all lies.

Or they're all true!

Night Haunter. The Bats.

Dorn had the Phalanx, a Dark Age-era mobile space fortress. I think that kinda beats Guilliman's little Roman planet.

 Manchu wrote:
Guilliman did achieve a lot but he also started in arguably the best position, except for maybe Magnus.

Not many of the primarchs really became the leaders of their worlds. Besides Guilliman, we have

Curze - ruled an entire planet from the shadows through terrorism
Fulgrim - completely revitalized a stagnant planetary economy
Jonson - downgraded a planet from death world status

It is true that we know basically nothing about what Horus did, if anything, before reuniting with the Emperor.

actually Per Betrayal only Angron had failed to conquer his world. (course this might be including space Marines installed in command of their world by the Emperor, as it's worth noting Angron was indeed the exception to that)

Guilliman inherited a space-faring Empire. I'd say that Dorn accomplished the most, as he not only conquered his planet from a single tribe, but he then started building his own Empire from nothing. Whereas Guilliman just took an already-constructed and stable Empire and started expanding. He was just another Consul, IMO.

 dusara217 wrote:
Guilliman inherited a space-faring Empire. I'd say that Dorn accomplished the most, as he not only conquered his planet from a single tribe, but he then started building his own Empire from nothing. Whereas Guilliman just took an already-constructed and stable Empire and started expanding. He was just another Consul, IMO.

exceptg thats not true, the empire was a thing of the past Gulliman set out to rebuild it.

BrianDavion wrote:
actually

Could you give me a run down then?

As I understand it:

- Corax had to ask the Emperor to help bring peace to Deliverance
- Vulkan seemed to only drive the DE out of one town on Nocturne
- Ferrus did not interfere with the clan system on Medusa
- the Emperor had to save Mortarion's life

as so forth ...

j31c3n wrote:Dorn had the Phalanx, a Dark Age-era mobile space fortress. I think that kinda beats Guilliman's little Roman planet.

Right so Dorn being on a world that happens to be near a space fortress is somehow better than Guilliman rebuilding an empire?

dusara217 wrote:Guilliman inherited a space-faring Empire. I'd say that Dorn accomplished the most, as he not only conquered his planet from a single tribe, but he then started building his own Empire from nothing. Whereas Guilliman just took an already-constructed and stable Empire and started expanding. He was just another Consul, IMO.

He rebuilt an old empire and started expanding it. So he basically did the same as Dorn but on a larger scale.

I voted for Batman.

I'm surprised there aren't more votes for Alpharius. Dude had an interstellar pirate fleet and killed his way to the Warmaster.

Guilliman.
The Emperor was astounded by his accomplishments and saw him as a primarch of unsurpassed skill.

We don't know Alpharius' origins. There are three different stories told in Extermination and they're all lies.

 ImAGeek wrote:
We don't know Alpharius' origins. There are three different stories told in Extermination and they're all lies.

We don't know they're all lies. They may or may not be true. Some might be more true than others, while some may be complete fabrications. It's just as likely that they're true, but like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

Well that doesn't change my point. We don't know Alpharius' origin. So we can't say he's got the best achievements before being found.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well that doesn't change my point. We don't know Alpharius' origin. So we can't say he's got the best achievements before being found.

But we can't say he doesn't, either.

No you can't. But you don't have any evidence to back it up, so really it's kinda pointless saying Alpharius has the greatest accomplishments pre reunification. I also wouldn't say having a pirate fleet and fighting your way to Horus' throne room is better than Guillimans empire anyway. I mean he is a Primarch, of course he'd be able to fight his way to Horus.

for all we know he had a pirate fleet because he FAILED to conquerer his homeworld.