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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.

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Gwar! wrote:
Kervin wrote:OK how about this: Stay away from Nids, Orks, Necrons, DE, and the Imperial people (you look at them wrong and you are dead). So go back in time and make sure the first xenos humans meet are the Tau.
That is kind of impossible....

...I also am weird and know too much of this stuff!


Or, in simple terms, The Emperor wouldn't let you. He'd bitchslap your genes out of the human race back before space travel if you were going to try something stupid like that...


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Gwar!, behold my knowledge

?: creation of the galaxy. emergence of the c'tan and the old slann. the warp is a placid
domain, devoid of intelligence. the c'tan and the old slann seed many worlds for life, in
the hopes that their creations will aid them in their struggle against the other. both the
orks and the eldar may be old slann creations, whilst the necrontyr are clearly the spawn
of the c'tan.
?: the war in heaven. the c'tan, allied with the necrontyr, launch a vast assault against the
old slann, unleashing weapons too terrifying to imagine, churning the warp into a
frenzied sea of chaos, deadly to the old slann. the old slann prevails against the c'tan and
their minions via the construction of the webway, a galactic corridor linking one location
with another for instantaneous transport. the same arcane technology was used to seal the
c'tan behind the gate of vaul. the old slann contain the essence of the barrier within the
seven talismans of vaul, but the c'tan contingency plan exacted a terrible toll on the
young galaxy.
60,000,000,000 bc (approx): galaxy wide catastrophe. faced with extinction, the
necrontyr constructed metal bodies as repositories for their hyper-advanced minds. to
weather the impending galatic bio-meltdown the necrontyr constructed huge stasis
chambers to shelter inside. note: the c'tan are believed to have caused the near-extinction
of life in the galaxy at this time.
9000 bc: birth of the emperor, an immortal superhuman created from the psychic spoor of
the old shamans, who predicted a time when mankind would need a saviour from evil (in
the age of strife).
8000 bc - 1400 ad: birth of khorne, tzeentch, nurgle (chaos gods). their foul presence in
the warp mirrors the atrocities commited by the living races of the galaxy (khorne takes
form from war, tzeentch from betrayal and sorcery, and nurgle from plague and filth).
2,100 ad: mars terraformed.
2,200 ad: mars settled.
3,000 ad: warp discovered.
14,000 ad?: eldar learn secrets of webway technology from the slann. old slann culture
dies out. slann warn eldar of their own fall.
15,000 ad: sublight spacecraft begin slowly colonizing nearby stars. at first progress is
slow, and the new colonies must survive as independent units isolated from earth by up to
ten generations of travel.
20,000: dark age of technology. discovery of navigators and development of warp drive
aid colonization. galaxy explored in less than 1,000 years. stc developed. titans invented.
the great diaspora- humans seek to remake galaxy in their own image, including seeding
worlds with familiar animals.
21,000: alien wars. mankind encounters and fights with orks, eldar.
23,000-24,000: age of strife. appearance of psychic powers, and warp entities. earth and
colonies cut off by warp storms. appearance of abhumans. man fights man. stc system
lost. age of isolation- squat worlds cut off. formation of leagues.
24,000: horiax treatise mentions genetic alteration techniques.
27,000: civil war on earth. earliest modified warriors aid the emperor in conquest of
terra.
29,500?: appearance of emperor. earth tribes united. imperium begins. age of tradesquats
trade with orks, eldar (lasts 3000 yrs).
28,000: primarch project. 20 primarchs created by emperor. embryos are scattered
through the warp by chaos forces. great crusade begins.
28,500?: age of wars: squats betrayed by orks, eldar.
28,600?: first founding. 20 chapters of space marine created from gene seed samples that
survived from the primarch project .
28,700?: eldar build craft ships, heeding the slann warnings.
28,800?: fall of the eldar. eldar society collapses, creating chaos god slaanesh.
homeworlds lost in creation of eye of terror. end of the warp storms and the age of strife.
28,826: during banquet honoring pacification of the cheraut system, lord princeps
ichabod lethrai tells tale of conflict between primarchs konrad kurze and rogal dorn.
shortly after their duel, kurze disappeared, taking his fleet to nostramo and destroying the
planet, the first step in a campaign of terror whence kurze eventually renounces the
emperor.
29,125?: lunar wolves renamed sons of horus.
29,812 (may be as early as 28,000): great crusades. primarchs rediscovered and united
with their marine chapters. human galaxy reclaimed under pax imperialis.
29,000: great crusades continue, accelerated gene-culturing used to fill need for vast
numbers of marines leads to genetic flaws. enables a space marine to be processed in a
single year.
29,350: karis cephalon resettled during great crusades.
30,012: scouring of isstvan iii. warmaster horus, with 4 other traitor space marine legions,
virus bomb isstvan iii to suppress a minor rebellion. frigate einstein escapes with news of
horus' corrupt activities.
30,013: horus heresy. seven legions sent against horus, but four defect to his side and
three are destroyed. marine fights marine in battles across the galaxy.
30,014 (13th of secundus): siege of earth. horus lays siege to emperor's palace. emperor
teleports on board horus' battle barge. sanguinius killed. horus mortally wounded.
emperor wounded, placed in golden throne.
30,014-30,021: great scouring. rebel forces throughout the galaxy are quelled. chaos
forces retreat into the eye of terror.
30,021?: dionerius' "rise of man" describes the wulfen, the 13th comany of the space
wolves, and how they entered the eye of terror to pursue the traitor legions at the end of
the horus heresy. primarch guilliman and dorn did not want to lose marines to such a
campaign and advised against it, though it is not clear whether russ sent the wulfen in or
if they went of their own accord. the wulfen were never seen or heard from again.
30,021?: roboute guilliman compiles the first codex astartes, which lays down the new
organizational doctrine for space marine chapters.
30,021: second founding. marine legions broken into chapters - each company becomes
a chapter, with 10 companies each (this time limited to 1,000 marines per company). 23
new chapters created. grey knights secretly created.
30,021?: bjorn the fell handed becomes first great wolf after russ dissapears. after being
fatally wounded, spends the next 500 years at the forefront of space wolves battles as a
dreadnought.
30,084: jaghatai khan disappears while fighting dark eldar on corusil v, near the
maelstrom. presumably he pursued a dark eldar lord through an alien portal that led into
the dimension occupied by the dark eldar (commarragh?).
30,100?: dark founding (13th). unknown number or fate of chapters. no record of the
chapters or sample of their gene seed is maintained by adeptus terra.
31,000: the space wolf base, the fang, is attacked by magnus the red and the thousand
sons as revenge for the destruction of prospero.
31,000: the temple of the saviour emperor is recognized as the official religion of the
imperium, given the title of imperial cult (also known as the ecclesiarchy).
31,200: ecclesiarch veneris ii becomes a high lord of terra.
31,243: inquisitor damasko first postulates that chaos (and other?) gods must use mortals
to manifest their power in the physical universe.
31,500: ecclesiarch becomes a permanent position on the high lords of terra.
31,000+: loyalist primarchs reportedly die or disappear over the following millenia.
traitor legion primarchs become daemon primarchs.
33,000: first black crusade (known as the blackstar crusade). chaos forces emerge from
the eye of terror to mount an incursion into the ganglax sector. khorne champion ekrak
conquers m'laan xiii and turns it into a daemon world.
34,000: the ecclesiarchy's power wanes.
34, 200: the ecclesiarchy under benedin iv moves to ophelia vii and again grows in
power.
34,344: initial imperial surveys of ancient tomb complexes on angelis (gorkamorka). later
in m.35, ork spacehulk crashlands on angelis, burying the humans alive around the
temples. the survivors descend into savagery, becoming the diggas. reports of 'ghost
warriors' (re-awakened necrons?) allying with some members of the diggas to subjugate
the other tribes and repulse the orks.
34,500: greigor xi becomes ecclesiarch, declares ecclesiarchy will return to earth.
34,359: imperial explorators gain access to deserted necrontyr tombs on angelis.
34,762-34,765: tallarn scout squad "lurenz's gravediggers" harass eldar forces on holon
prime.
34, 843: distress call from grendel's world investigated- planet discovered to have been
attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the night lords.
34,999(late m35)?: battle of the broadsword - tallarn supresses the chaemos rebellion.
35, 266: sebastian thor born on dimmamar.
35,000: mythos angelica mortis written, including a description of the emperor's
champion in the appendix cxvi "honorifics of the legions astartes".
35,000?: cursed founding (21st). took place some time immediately before the age of
apostasy. largest founding since the second founding. experimentation conducted to
create improved, massive space marines goes awry. fire hawks, flame falcons, black
dragons, and other chapters are created with cursed gene seed. some chapters mutated
horribly. flame falcons spontaneous and extreme physical corruption turn them into a race
no longer human or sane - chapters declared excommmunicate and driven from it's home
world of lethe by the grey knights.
35,000: age of apostasy. warp storms increase. imperium in turmoil. ecclesiarchy
becomes more tyrannical. chaos, ork attacks increase. zhoros (fire hawks' world) thermal
bombed. high lord vandire comes to power, converts the daughters of the emperor (also
known as the adepta sororitas, and the sisters of battle) to be his personal bodyguards.
sebastian thor becomes a threat to vandire, but when vandire sends the frateris templar
fleet to destroy dimmamar, the fleet is wiped out by a warp storm in the clax system.
vandire is finally defeated by combined forces of tech guard, space marines and adeptus
custodes under the confederation of light, led by thor.
35,000: wars of vindication. shortly after the death of high lord goge vandire, tziz jarek of
the callidus assassins, under vandire's orders, kills the grand master of the assassins and
assumes his identity - but it emerges the grand master had already replaced himself with
another callidus assassin, and gathered assassins loyal to him to wage war against this
usurper. both sides used horrible weapons of mass destruction. finally the grand master
assassinated jarek and then disappeared in self imposed exile. inquisitor jaeger, after
investigating the wars, created the ordo sicarius to monitor the officio assassinorum and
prevent such an occurrence again.
35,288: decree passive. high lords of terra prohibits ecclesiarchy from controlling any
"men under arms". sebastian thor forms the orders militant of the adepta sororitas.
35,298: sebastian thor leaves the ecclesiarchical palace and journeys throughout the
imperium for 80 years, quelling heresy and apostasy.
35,300: the plague of unbelief. cardinal bucharis, with admiral sehalla and colonel gasto,
carves a bloody empire from gathalamor, stretching as far south as bakka and north to
fenris, and included the fleet at hydraphur, bucharis claimed that earth was a lost cause
and gathalamor would be the new center of faith. when his empire stretched into
territories controlled by the space wolves, a protracted space and land war broke out
including a 3 year siege of the space wolves fortress, the fang.
35,378: sebastian thor returns to earth, dies at age 112. ecclesiarch alexis xxii, thor's
successor, splits the convent sanctorum and convent prioris into two orders each, forming
the orders militant of the ebon chalice, valorous heart, fiery heart and argent shroud.
35,453: beelze conflict- eldar of the alaitoc craftworld cause diplomatic contact with
lexicos aldus mari to be broken.
36,563: assassin urhua thereaux of the venenum temple sent to assassinate renegade
governor yawell. ship was caught in a warp rift, holding the vessel in a temporal stasis for
698 years.
35,694: stc quest. chief artisan tilius begins search for working stc.
35,694: razorback stc discovered by tilius.
35,776: 16th armageddon steel legion on cassell put down a rebellion by cult of the way
of the emperor's flesh in less than 6 hours.
36,361: traitor marines led by orik the vile (alpha legion) fight cadians on mihok
secundus.
37,261: thereaux, unaware of the temporal stasis, proceeded to the target only to find the
governor long since dead and replaced by an anti-imperial committee with 1,000
members. thereaux spent three days poisoning all the chairs in the council's auditorium to
kill all the members.
37,437: iybraesil eldar craftworld first detected in west quadrant, segmentum obscurus.
37,788: ecclesiarch deacis vi creates two more orders of sororitas (bloody rose and sacred
rose).
37,873: explorator vessel incalculus stellar brings an alien edifice to skopios asteroid
research base. the base is taken over by an unknown enemy (possibly c'tan?), and is
turned over to manufacture of skeletal robots (necons?). base destroyed, declared
purgatus for 300 years.
38, 763: the crusader pattern land raider is officially recognized by the techpriests of
mars.
38,985: squat civil war. league thor fights league grindel over
exploration of the lost stronghold of dargon. cyclops invented.
38,985: donian crusade. black templars clear the donian sector of orks.
38,998: unholy harbinger. a space hulk breaks from warp near cloras jump point.
39,433: autarch of planet krieg declares independence and renounces the emperor's rule.
colonel jurten of krieg 33rd unleashes a campaign of atomic cleansing that lasts 5 years,
turns krieg into wasteland. from then on, death korps forces embark on quest of
absolution.
39,561: nexxas exculpation. emperor's children fight imperial guard.
39,666: an imperial patrol force engages necron warships in the yucatan system. only a
single cobra destroyer escapes; when imperial fleet returns, all colonists are missing.
39,675: the hive world vidium is lost to dark eldar.
39,924: a single vindicare imperial assassin destroys a gargant, terminating warlord
urglak the unstoppable, on roxanzand.
39,989: yme-loc eldar craftworld first detected in segmentum obscurus, west quadrant.
40,085: by request of inquisitor scallen, sisters of the order of the valorous heart purge
hive tumulus (on planet farglum) of the cult epicurian.
40,139: abaddon's forces complete construction of the planet killer in the eye of terror.
40,142- 40,160: first gothic war. abaddon uses the planet killer to lead a black crusade
that ravages the gothic sector. 40,154: the planet killer is finally destroyed. no traces of
the remains are found by inquisitor horst's investigation 2 years later.
40,213: castaburg is invaded by orks under warlord skarmork. death corps of krieg
counterattack.
40,273: inq. draco visits stalinvast. hydra found. stalinvast destroyed.
40,342: inquisitor quixos declared heretic and extremis diabolus by inquisitor eisenhorn.
eisenhorn leads a cell that hunts down and kills quixos 3 years later. (quixos approx. 300
years old at this point).
40,356: macharius is born, son of pella, the imperial commander of donia.
40,359: copul iv cleansed by ultramarines.
40,367: ork world of balur scoured by marine and ig campaign led by calgar.
40,371: brother sergeant severus of the ultramarines wounded on corinth, interred in
dreadnought. returns for 7 year corinthian crusade in 698.m41.
40,373: inquisitors murdered. draco raids black library. planet sabulorb incinerated. draco
killed in eldar webway.
40,374: macharius earns the colonelcy of the donian xxvi. 40,379: macharius becomes
the general of the donian iv army duringe the roxane rebellion. 40,380: macharius takes
the stronghold of rebel leader roxane mountjoy, and rescues lord solar commander
phillips, becoming phillips' second in command and most successful general. 40,386: lord
solar phillips dies. macharius appointed lord solar. 40,387-40,391: as macharius' armies
assemble, he reconquers the worlds of lands end, morbellum and jalfrezi iii with his
donian army. 40,392: macharius begins his great conquest of the western galaxy. over a
thousand worlds fall to him and his generals over the next seven years. 40,392: the hive
world of persepolis is recontacted after 5,000 years. macharius finds the tomb of the
ancient explorer indijona the vagrant, and takes the helm he finds there for himself.
40,393: while fighting against chaos marines on zaga iv, a bolter round embeds in
macharius' chest but does not explode. the confessores proclaim this an emperor's
miracle. 40,395: macharius orders the advanced technology world of adrantis v destroyed
by a redirected comet, and disbands the 3rd army group. 40,396: macharius' 2nd and 5th
army cross the boundary of the astronomicon. 40,398: warp travel is slow, but macharius
still conquers another 15 worlds - and destroys seven. 40,399: macharius bombards the
carnelion palace of leminitus into submission. his generals decide the conquests should
end. 40,400: macharius dies before reaching the old boundaries of the imperium. 40,401:
macharius is entombed on macharia, his first base of operations.
40,450-40,465: the hesten manuscript, documenting principles of the god incarnate
(thorian doctrine), is compiled by inq. hesten.
40,474: the armageddon riots. warp storms cut off armageddon. food shortages lead to
armed rebellion in a dozen hives. first war of armageddon? (see 40,891.)
40, 452: sororitas (bleeding heart) entrusted with bones of st. emiline, evacuated from
emiline's hope (shrine world) when yerena system invaded by ork waaagh! under
command of the arch maniac of calvera.
40,567: sergeant lysander awarded imperial laurel for acts of courage under fire during
pacification of heretical insurgence on iduno.
40,659: logan grimnar becomes new great wolf of the space wolves.
40,698: the corinthian crusade. marneus calgar is elected leader of a marine force
including ultramarines, lamenters, marines errant, angels of absolution, and silver skulls,
on a 7 year crusade. ork empire of charadon suffers series of heavy defeats, delaying the
invasion of waaagh argluk by 30 years.
40,704: the siege of tulwa- calgar leads infiltration force that destroyed the fortress of
pain (iron warriors).
40,737: valos reported stripped of life. (hive fleet behemoth).
40.738: latest founding (26th). most current founding as of 40,995.
40,745: ultramarines retaliation against the growing tau empire is cut short by invasion of
hive fleet behemoth.
40,745: first tyrannic war. hive fleet behemoth attacks the ultramarines homeworld
macragge. defeated at great cost - their entire first company is wiped out.
40,759: the scouring of quintarn. calgar commands forces against ork scavengers who
captered triple system of quintarn, tarentus and masali (part of ultramarines empire) in the
aftermath of hivefleet behemoth.
40,765: space marine chapter losses to date - 13 lost (in the warp), 21 irrecoverable
(through battle losses), 9 gene seed failure, 4 inquisitorial purge, 16 other circumstances.
40,780: the fourth quadrant rebellion. (40,903?)
40,801: lugannath eldar craftworld first detected by the imperium.
40,807: the purgation of jhanna- calgar leads two ultramarine companies in the recature
of rebellious oceanic cities of omon and vorlencia, against renegades and chaos marines.
40,815: space wolves great wolf sven ironhand revokes his oath and leads his great
company into exile in the eastern fringes.
40,853: the battle of the steel cross- captain cortez of the crimson fists slays an ork
warlord and his bodyguard.
40,861: the battle of arconar- marneus calgar defeats a coalition of eldar raiders on the
feral world of arconar, scattering their forces and capturing their bases both on and off
world.
40, 867: captain cortez of the crimson fists breaks through eldar lines despite suffering 17
wounds including a stab through one of his hearts and two heavy weapons hits.
40,879: battle of knarts landing - marneus calgar defeats rebel army led by general dornal
in 30 day battle on industrial world of knart's landing, taking less than 17% casualties.
40,891: first battle for armageddon. chaos incursion led by angron and world eaters
beaten back by space wolves and grey knights.
40, 892: cortez defended breach in fortress maladon's wall for 21 hours of constant
fighting.
40,897: massacre at sanctuary 101. adeptus sororitas fortress destroyed by necron raiders.
40,901: badab war. tiger claws' master, lufgt huron, revolts.
40,903: lamenters, mantis warriors, executioners join revolt.
40,903: captain cortez fights through the entire kardian six week campaign without
supplies after they had been lost to enemy fire during deployment.
40,904: fire hawks retaliate when their supply ship is captured by rebels.
40,906: red scorpions and minotaurs called in to suppress revolt.
40,907(913?): executioners, lamenters sent on penitent 100 year crusade.
40,917: the battle of amion. red talons and steel legion fight rebel imperial forces.
40,940: tzeench cults revolt on the planet chicano. world lost.
40,941-40,942: second battle for armageddon. ork waaagh! led by ghazghkull mag
uruk thraka assault the hive world armageddon secundus. lord herman von straub's forces
are saved by commissar yarrick's performance.
40,942: eldar commander yriel is the leader of the iyanden fleet.
40,944: the balur crusade- calgar elected leader of marine crusade force operating against
worlds along the eastern fringe. operations began with scouring of ork held balur and
ending with devastation of boros.
40, 945-40, 959: ghazghkull thraka mounts raids on various planets.
40,946: dante, yarrick, and mannheim monitoring stations established in outermost orbit
of armageddon system.
40,962: imperial base on buca iii annihilated by ork asteroid base (under thraka).
40,963: fire hawks fortress monastery, rapturous rex, sent to crow's world sector to
investigate dark eldar. they disappear en route.
40, 972: imperial agri-world chigon 17 overrun by orks under thraka using guerilla
tactics.
40,976: hive fleet perseus detected by ultramarines.
40,981: durlan ocellati discovers warp route into wheel of fire.
40,982: last encounter with hive fleet perseus. drifts outsystem.
40,983: fire hawks declared lost in the warp.
40,984: battle of hell town. pyran dragoons assigned to armageddon jungle base desert
their posts, leaving the armageddon ork hunters to defend against ork invasion.
40, 986 imperial battlecruiser radiant way wiped out by ork pirates led by thraka.
40,987: space wolves 519th crusade ends in wheel of fire (orks cleared).
40,988: crimson fists nearly wiped out by their own missiles while fighting orks on rynn's
world.
40,989: blood angels terminators killed while exploring a space hulk (chronicled in the
game space hulk).
40,992: second tyrannic war. iyanden craftworld nearly destroyed by hive fleet kraken.
lamenters chapter lost. scythes of the emperor chapter badly depleted, homeworld lost.
40,992: the viii kimmerian regiment, fighting orks on the eastern fringe, are assisted by
jotun bearclaw's renegade great company, who refused to return to fenris after fighting at
ichar iv due to the length of travel time involved.
40,995: battle of korsk ii. lord vorlak leads a rebellion that is crushed by marines in a
major tank battle on the plains of korsk ii.
40,995: defense of ichar iv. marneus calgar acts as supreme commander in defense of
ichar iv, a vital industrial world on the eastern fringe. tyranid invaders from hivefleet
kraken held in check by the combined efforts of space marines, imperial guard and alien
eldar forces.
40,998: historicus coran celecius tried for heresy after his work links the aphis hermitage
massacre to the necrontyr and other mysterious past encounters.
41,000: abbaddon the despoiler returns, with a re-built planet killer, and the last two
remaining blackstone fortresses, built around the artifacts known as the 'talismans of
vaul'. he launches his 13th black crusade, his largest invasion yet. imperial defenses at the
cadian gate are overwhelmed by a flood of chaos space marines and traitorous imperial
guard.

Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.

"Millions of voices cried out in Terror, and were suddenly silenced"
 
   
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Gwar! wrote:
Kervin wrote:OK how about this: Stay away from Nids, Orks, Necrons, DE, and the Imperial people (you look at them wrong and you are dead). So go back in time and make sure the first xenos humans meet are the Tau.
That is kind of impossible.

1) Humanity was created by the Old Ones on some backwater planet orbiting an isolated star in the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy. T'au have were created by... someone (not too sure, it might have been the Old Ones or the Eldar or some form of Eldar offshoot) far in the eastern edge of the Galaxy in the middle of a tightly packed star cluster.
2) Humanity has NEVER gotten along with Xenos. Never. Even in the time of the Great Crusade, they may not have been the Xenocidal maniacs they are now, but back then they were attempting to re-contact lost human worlds with relativity little resources, so it was a "Lesser of two evils" problem, the lesser evil being let the Xenos go about their merry way and the greater being getting dragged into multiple wars that they could not possibly afford.
3) And finally, the coup de grâce, Humanity discovered the Warp some time in late M3, and had colonised Mars by 200.M3, by M15 had begun to colonise other worlds using crude spacecraft, by M18 had isolated the Navigator Gene and by M21 begun it's wars with the Eldar and Ork races. T'au spontaneously and rapidly evolved and became a Space faring race in about 5,000 - 6,000 years after the first Contact in M35 (when they were little more than primitive Xenos Lifeforms)

So even if you did go back in time, it would be utterly Impossible for the first Xenos that Humaniy meets to be the T'au.

I also am weird and know too much of this stuff!


Thanks for the background info Gwar! and shas'o vera.

The thing about time travel is there is alway the possibility that you go to another universe or under some ideas it is an inevitability. So T'au could be in the west and evolve alongside humans.

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And as for the whole "changing the timeline" idea, can't happen. Proff. D. Adams has already proven that no matter how much you try there is no problem with changing the course of history—the course of history does not change because it all fits together like a jigsaw. All the important changes have happened before the things they were supposed to change and it all sorts itself out in the end.

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Also, to confuse this time travel matter even more, it could be your efforts to make sure that the first aliens humanity communicated with being the tau that causes everything else to happen. Or it could just alter the circumstances so you never get born. Cue the grandfather paradox.


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Gwar! wrote:At least mine was from memory, and not just copypasted

And as for the whole "changing the timeline" idea, can't happen. Proff. D. Adams has already proven that no matter how much you try there is no problem with changing the course of history—the course of history does not change because it all fits together like a jigsaw. All the important changes have happened before the things they were supposed to change and it all sorts itself out in the end.


Professor D. Adams also proved that you could fly by falling down and getting distracted at the last moment. I'm afraid the general scientific community laughs (on a regular basis) at his understanding of physics and the fabric of reality.

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OK anther not to do in the 40k universe:

Don't talk about using time travel to make thing less grim and dark. You well 1) just end up with a big headache or 2) you will get killed by someone.

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Talking about time travel IS rather pointless...unless you have at least a PhD. in theoretical physics.

I'm not sure that physics even apply in 40k since A) they have FTL travel and B)everyone and their dog has some innate psychic power. So, could simply agree now that in the universe of 40K, Orks COUlD go back in time and track down Gork and Mork and ask to be created with better BS and a fluff-wise mandatory 4S. This would in turn cause Orks to be tremendously unbalanced and get squated by the mighty to-lazy-to-balance hammer of khorn. Who would be wearing a funny hat.

Sorry, what were we talking about?

In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.

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Don't get me wrong. Time Travel is not only Possible, but a solid FACT of the 40k universe. What I am saying is that even if you could intentionally do it (all cases have been ships becoming FUBAR in the Warp and such), it wouldn't change anything, as it already happened.

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nintendoeats on page 21 wrote:I would say that trying to do anything except hide is a bad move. Just don't come into conatact with anything except MAYBE Tau, but only if you really need food/water/medical supplies/to die.


I appear to have predicted the direction of this thread.

In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.

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?: creation of the galaxy. emergence of the c'tan and the old slann. the warp is a placid
domain, devoid of intelligence. the c'tan and the old slann seed many worlds for life, in
the hopes that their creations will aid them in their struggle against the other. both the
orks and the eldar may be old slann creations, whilst the necrontyr are clearly the spawn
of the c'tan.
Necronteir are not spawned by c'tan they are made by the oldones that is why they hate them so much

60,000,000,000 bc (approx): galaxy wide catastrophe. faced with extinction, the
necrontyr constructed metal bodies as repositories for their hyper-advanced minds. to
weather the impending galatic bio-meltdown the necrontyr constructed huge stasis
chambers to shelter inside. note: the c'tan are believed to have caused the near-extinction
of life in the galaxy at this time.
The necronreir already had thye body they where trickeds into them by the ctan

14,000 ad?: eldar learn secrets of webway technology from the slann. old slann culture
dies out. slann warn eldar of their own fall.

they learned this stuff Way before man was around


28,000: primarch project. 20 primarchs created by emperor. embryos are scattered
through the warp by chaos forces. great crusade begins.

28,600?: first founding. 20 chapters of space marine created from gene seed samples that
survived from the primarch project .the crusade started after the marine LEGIONS where made

28,700?: eldar build craft ships, heeding the slann warnings.
28,800?: fall of the eldar. eldar society collapses, creating chaos god slaanesh.
homeworlds lost in creation of eye of terror. end of the warp storms and the age of strife.

This happend at the dawn of man while we where still cave men

29,125?: luna wolves renamed sons of horus.
luna wolfs "god"

29,812 (may be as early as 28,000): great crusades. primarchs rediscovered and united
with their marine legions. human galaxy reclaimed under pax imperialis.

29,000: great crusades continue, accelerated gene-culturing used to fill need for vast
numbers of marines leads to genetic flaws. enables a space marine to be processed in a
single year.
Only the raven guard did that

but good job anyway

Oh yes and don't tell a great unlcean one to go on jenny craig

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Funny stuff there.

sniperjolly wrote:I try (and suceed) to stay at least 20,000 years away from any ork at all times.


How's the Eye of Terror working out for ya, then?


Anyway, NOT TO's:

- Ask Marbo to park your Warhound
- Ask Creed to park your Warhound
- Eat anything served by a Kroot
- Play Lego with Perturabo
- Play Lego with Dorn
- Play Lego with Perturabo *if* you're Dorn
- Be the one to tell Russ that Magnus was right and Horus just rebelled
- Pick your nose while dual wielding lightning claws
- Be within 5 miles of Commisar Cain. Especially if you're a Khorne Berzerker. Or a psyker. Or have a sense of smell...
- Ask Abaddon if he's planning another sequel
- Ask Lorgar if he's planning another sequel
- Ask Loken if he's planning *on being in* another sequel
- Trust anyone from the Horus & Lorgar Crusades Inc. Especially if you're one of the other 16 primarchs...
- Sell life insurance to guardsmen
- Open a petrol station on Deliverance
- Remove Guilliman from stasis, no matter how much his wounds will heal. Come to think of it, *especially* if his wounds will heal
- Open a pub in the Eye of Terror. Russ will find it.
- Come up with "Ooops!" as your best excuse. Especially if you're Ahriman
- Piss Mkoll off. Or steal his sacra.

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Commisar Wolfie wrote:challenge an ork to an eating contest

unless your a hungry ogrn

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