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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/15 07:48:47
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Yeah, Tony said he had done research on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/15 15:26:03
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Ramshackle_Curtis wrote:Yeah, Tony said he had done research on it. Obviously not enough. At least he caught his error in time, apparently.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/15 17:49:58
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Howard said its because of the 2009 policy the USMC made. But even so, it was a simple fix and the boxes are still getting printed Monday. Model and miniature companies always run this risk, especially scale modeling companies. I'm just glad there is no delay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/16 14:41:11
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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The USMC and UAMC dealie is explained in greater detail by Tony:
When I first researched future Marines I hunted around for info on the use of the USMC name and all that goes with it. Unfortunately, I was looking at really dated info because a couple years ago the Marine Corps got TOUGH with their trademarks including "USMC", "US Marines", "United States Marine Corps", "Marines", and the globe and anchor logo! The info I DID find at the time led me to believe it would be no problem. Coupled with the fact that there were also so many other miniature companies using the terms USMC and US Marines it didn't seem like an issue, and I didn't bother pursuing it further. Bad Tony.
Luckily, the "new" (2009) trademark laws were pointed out to us RIGHT before we printed the boxes today! To make sure we don't run afoul of USMC branding, I've reintroduced an idea from the original timeline and we've removed any reference to USMC, US Marines, and the glove and anchor logo, etc. to steer clear of any issues. Thanks to some hard work by our printing company, we can move forward with redesigned boxes without missing a beat.
So what are these changes and what is the UAMC? I had always envisioned the USA in Alien War being larger than today's 50 states with the incorporation of Mexico and a few other bits...but had thought to just keep it as the United States of America. This inability to use the USMC name brings us back to the idea that the name of the country should really change when a merger of the magnitude I had in mind occurs. And this is a merger in the true sense of equal partners coming together in our future timeline. Hence - the United Americas are born.
The United Americas was formed during the late 22nd century in the aftermath of the Central American War (2168-2173). That conflict sprouted from the national governments of Nicaragua, Honduras, and Guatemala fighting off Andean-backed Neo-Feudal insurgencies. The Andean Confederation was originally comprised of the former nations of Colombia, Venezuela, and Ecuador but had grown in the mid-22nd century to include Panama, Costa Rica, and El Salavador. The Andean Confederation, a Neo-Feudal state, was a member of the Free People's Coalition for Mutual Benefit - supported by Imperial China as were dozens of other client states across the globe. At first the conflict was nothing more than any of the dozens of other "Small Hots" that constantly broke out across Earth and the Off Earth colonies, but that changed quickly.
As the Central American state governments faltered against the well-armed and coordinated insurgents, Mexico, assuming it was next on the list in the ever-expanding Andean Confederation, went "all in" with their own military. It was the perfect excuse for the Andean Confederation to commit their forces under the guise of "peacekeepers".
Mexico was quickly put on the defensive and ultimately pushed back across it's own southern border. Anonymous vid and "reports" of atrocities by Mexican troops against their own citizens gave the Andeans all the legitimacy they needed to move troops into the Yucatan Peninsula.
Impotent protests came from across the world and even from the mostly defunct United Nations of which neither Mexico, China, or the Confederation were a member - but the Andean advance was inexorable.
United States President Tess Nakamura, responding to urgent requests for assistance from the Mexican president, invoked the near-forgotten Monroe Doctrine and committed US forces to Mexico's defense. Faced with the potential for total war against a military peer, the Chinese-supported Andean forces backed down and "transferred" responsibility for "peacekeeping" to the United States.
By the time this played out, new Neo-Feudal regimes had been installed in Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Honduras with formal admission to the Confederation and in turn the Free People's Coalition for Mutual Benefit - i.e. client states of the Chinese Empire. The Central American nations joined dozens of others in South America, Africa, and Asia already part of the FPC. The southern Mexico border became the most militarized stretch of land on Earth with US and Mexican forces in the north and an Andean Confederation and Chinese line troops in the south.
This new Andean/Chinese threat and the American response effectively super-charged the already existing "Special Relationship" that Mexico and the US had developed throughout the 21st and 22nd centuries. Starting with NAFTA in the late 20th century, the two nations had slowly removed nearly every barrier becoming in effect a North American version of the European Union (although that entity didn't exist at this point of course). With linked cultures and parity between standards of living, Mexico and the United States were essentially operating as a single mega-country in everything but name. The new and apparently permanent Andean/Chinese threat became the catalyst to move the relationship to its logical conclusion - integration.
Still, over 20 years passed from the time Representative Jacob O'Brien of the US and Senator Ruben Javier Macias of Mexico presented their joint Articles of Union until the treaty was finally ratified by both nations. While many in both nations worked hard to come together, there were also many incidents of unrest, outright revolution, and massive exoduses of groups Off Earth who wanted no part of the conjoined nation.
The Articles of Union were signed on September 16, 2197 which also marked the 387th year since Mexican independence from Spain. A new nation comprising 85 states and 2 federal districts with a population of over 1 billion was born - the United Americas.
One of the most difficult challenges for the process of union was the integration of the various branches of the military. One branch that had very little difficulty was the United States Marine Corps as the Mexican equivalent was wrapped directly into the merged Coast Guards of the two nations. The official name change took place on November 10, 2197 to ensure that the "Marine Corps Birthday" remained unchanged. Although there were protests internally and from former Marines at the changed name, the reborn United Americas Marine Corps is truly a direct descendant of the USMC retaining all its traditions, organization, and function as America's first responder on Earth and Off. Today, over 62 years later, UA Marines still man the no-man's land that is the southern UA border with the Andean Confederation - affectionately referred to them as "The Rot" and "El Sudor".
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There you have it - a further peek inside the history of the Alien War universe leading up to our present year 2260.
I am sad we can't have just good ol' fashioned Jarheads running around Bug Hives - but the UAMC is the direct inheritor of their traditions, espirit de corps, and "attitude" - so I don't think I'll miss them THAT much. A big thank you to the fans who caught this and let us know - I've passed the info on to a couple other wargame manufacturers who also seem to be in violation. If you know of any other armed forces - especially German, UK, or French that have similar restrictions on name use - please let us know. We'll make sure to have a lawyer look into this in the future as well as much as that pains me! ;-)
Source: http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/who-are-the-uamc
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/16 14:56:30
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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CptJake wrote:.Copy right laws haven't changed that much and the USMC has always been particular about how their symbols and name are used. Here is a policy letter from 1997. http://www.marines.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%205030.3B.pdf You want to us to believe that Tony complied with that even if he didn't comply with current procedure? If he did, he would have had approval, even if it was done a long time ago. I submit his research wasn't that good.... BUT::::: It is a moot point, he fixed it and is on track.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 01:37:06
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 02:11:29
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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*wince*
Girls with guns? The "I want female IG." grunters are going to love this. Might be a smart business move....if they actually start getting kits out the door that is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 02:50:24
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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I'm not a fan of female minis. I felt the need to throw minis in there not to be misunderstood, but I have been called a misogynist more than a few times. Either way, I certainly wouldn't want the markets to be dictated by my tastes. If the people want female guard, let them have it. I'll be waiting for something more interesting.
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It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
Ouze wrote: 7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 04:39:54
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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The concept sketch looks good. But that's not worth much unless Tim starts doing credit to the prep work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 05:43:32
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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That's supposed to be a concept sketch? Looks like the doodles I did in high school, not something I'd want to show potential customers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 06:50:14
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Mighty Chosen Warrior of Chaos
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at least she does not have ridiculously huge breasts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 12:02:52
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Hacking Interventor
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Doesn't look too bad, but females are easily done with headswaps and maybe some adjustments in arms and legs lenght and mass...
Gear tend to be uniform regardless of sex. Thou the ones with larger chest-departments might have special issue torso-armour... (read larger size or maybe a different cut to accomodate for the non-standard body siluette. )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 12:41:36
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Sikil wrote:Doesn't look too bad, but females are easily done with headswaps and maybe some adjustments in arms and legs lenght and mass...
Gear tend to be uniform regardless of sex. Thou the ones with larger chest-departments might have special issue torso-armour... (read larger size or maybe a different cut to accomodate for the non-standard body siluette. )
Not this garbage again. Please, educate yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 13:47:49
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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AlexHolker wrote:Sikil wrote:Doesn't look too bad, but females are easily done with headswaps and maybe some adjustments in arms and legs lenght and mass...
Gear tend to be uniform regardless of sex. Thou the ones with larger chest-departments might have special issue torso-armour... (read larger size or maybe a different cut to accomodate for the non-standard body siluette. )
Not this garbage again. Please, educate yourself.
Your point is well taken in that there are alterations necessary to properly accommodate female soldiers, but I think the essence of the Sikil's statement is true as regards appearance. The combination of relatively loose fatigues, bulky body armor/helmet and combat gear means that male and female combatants in a warzone are going to look pretty darn similar. There will be some differences,, but these are mostly functional, not visual, and certainly not what would be very visible on a 28mm figure.
That said, I do prefer that sculptors take the necessary liberties to make female soldiers appear female (as long as female grunts aren't sculpted like supermodels) but the kinds of differences that make male and female figures readily recognizable at a distance in 28mm figures are definitely going to be more based on artistic license than real-life appearance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/18 14:51:30
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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lord_blackfang wrote:That's supposed to be a concept sketch? Looks like the doodles I did in high school, not something I'd want to show potential customers.
It's a concept sketch, not a finished drawing. It's just blocking out the general shapes/silhouette of the model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/19 01:34:22
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Brother SRM wrote:lord_blackfang wrote:That's supposed to be a concept sketch? Looks like the doodles I did in high school, not something I'd want to show potential customers.
It's a concept sketch, not a finished drawing. It's just blocking out the general shapes/silhouette of the model.
Exactly. They threw it up so that people could critique it and mention what needs to be changed and what they'd like to stay the same. Go down the thread and people are already putting critique on it. Seems to be a lot of interest in the elbow pads, and hilariously enough, the debate of long sleeves vs rolled sleeves is back again  .
Also, in the subject of news, here's a video they threw up of the boxes getting printed. http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/how-boxes-are-made
Also, supposedly, fingers crossed and if the stars align and the gods find it in their favor... boxes will be shipping next week
Now it's only a matter of time until the warehouse burns down or all the boxes get stolen
In all seriousness though, I can't wait. I've got a lot of ideas for how I'm going to use these guys...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/19 01:51:53
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Off the DFG topic for just a moment:
Alex, I'd like to ask you if you think I'm comfortable in body armor with a full ruck? I mean, do you think men find it nice and cozy? The uniform, although designed to go under body armor, is also horribly uncomfortable. The rucks are designed already to put weight on the hips and legs, and they're still horrible. I understand the kit isn't suitable for women, but it's mostly because it isn't suitable for humans. It's thirty pounds of steel, ceramics and kevlar. Not to mention a minimum of seven full magazines, at least a gallon of water, and whatever else you need to strap to your back. And I've seen another post you made commenting on how it's degrading female combat performance, but I find it worth noting that it also degrades male combat performance as well. And as far as creating a female specific combat uniform, the percentage of females in the Army are comparable to the percentage of lefties in the Army, somewhere between ten and fifteen percent. And the Army still won't take the step to adopt an ambidexterous rifle, let alone a leftie specific variant, god forbid leftie specific grenades and all that. I just wanted you to know modern body armor is inherently uncomfortable and having unisex body armor is not some chauvanist plot to keep women down.
Back to topic:
If the people want female troops, let them have female troops. The sketch looks exactly like what one would expect a sketch of a female wearing that uniform to look like.
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It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/19 01:55:06
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Blackhoof wrote:at least she does not have ridiculously huge breasts.
Third party bits providers will fill that niche with add-on boobie conversion kits...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/19 05:19:57
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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AlexHolker wrote:Sikil wrote:Doesn't look too bad, but females are easily done with headswaps and maybe some adjustments in arms and legs lenght and mass...
Gear tend to be uniform regardless of sex. Thou the ones with larger chest-departments might have special issue torso-armour... (read larger size or maybe a different cut to accomodate for the non-standard body siluette. )
Not this garbage again. Please, educate yourself.
No need to be rude Alex, I know you are extremely fearless sitting behind your computer screen, but you definitely could have said that in a less jerky way.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the set but I would rather prefer hard suits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/20 21:26:49
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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So the UAMC have their boxes printed and are shipping off next week and here is the special preorder model you receive if you are a pre orderer.
http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/free-gunny-with-marine-orders
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/20 21:40:03
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Here is said model for the work blocked and/or lazy:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/21 10:48:37
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Brother SRM wrote:Here is said model for the work blocked and/or lazy:

ARGH!!
I can't order anything until my damned salary arrives on wednesday, so I guess I miss out on "Gunny" Gibs!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/21 16:19:20
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Just verified my preorder to mKe sure I get my freebie "Eastwood" mini. Now I have to model the cigar for the perfect effect!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/22 13:09:30
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Ramshackle_Curtis wrote:MrMoustaffa wrote:
OT: The boxes are being printed as we speak! And there's also a bit of a sneak peek at the bugs' boxes as well.
Yeah, except they used the Marines logo and name, which is a bit illegal, so now have to reprint the boxes. More delays, no product, no painted examples. The guy who runs this company seems to me to be taking money and not shipping a product.
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Do you know how or why? I thought the USG could not claim trademarks. Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT-Ah... it's a coat of arms, official business issue. Thanks for the link.
http://www.marines.mil/usmc/Pages/faq.aspx#emblem
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/24 05:06:48
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Anyways, news. They've got a preview (and by preview I mean ROUGH preview  ) of the german infantry's dedicated grenade launcher. Apparently, they took the criticism to the slightly ugly underslung previous version and redesigned it from the ground up. This time round, it's basically a bigger, meaner, grenade shooting version of their main assault rifle. They're asking for opinions on the forums here.
http://defiancegames.com/index.php/forum/german-panzergrenadiers-core-force/4712-german-grenade-launcher
As for my opinion, aside from the humongous spear thing on the front that's supposed to be the sight, I think they're onto a good start. It's miles ahead of the previous version at least. Hopefully they'll post up some revised pics soon...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/27 06:25:50
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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Email I just got from DFG.
Defiance Games
UAMC NOW SHIPPING!
Defiance Games 28mm hard plastic UAMC Marines
MARINES SHIPPING NOW!
We're thrilled to announce that the Marines are shipping! The 24 figure box set features 12 frames of parts to build 2 full squads of Marines along with 25mm plastic bases and a Marine Force File for the Alien War rules - all for just $29.95! Click here to order: UAMC Marines Set
Bugs! Bugs! Incoming!
Bugs - the scourge of mankind everywhere - are hot on the heels of the Marines. Featuring 30 Drones per box (including 30mm bases) - the Bugs will ship in mid-May.
German Panzergrenadiers are right behind them and then we'll have UAMC Hardsuits (power armor troops), Female Marines, German heavy weapons, UAMC heavy weapons, and more all in early Summer!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/27 07:46:47
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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I'm from the future. The future of space
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It's the bugs I'm most looking forward to. They're really neat looking.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/27 17:35:49
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If they ship me the minis and I like them, is it still a scam? Ok. So that was blatant sarcasm for those who accused Tony of being a scammer.
I also love the bugs and will be getting at least 2 boxes before the germans and hard suits take the rest of my money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/29 22:38:10
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They've uploaded some painted pictures.
They look pretty good for layering and some of the edge highlighting looks decent. I just wish they'd upload pictures that are bigger than a postage stamp!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/29 23:04:14
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
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I'm from the future. The future of space
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I think what I'd do is shave down the rolled up sleeves and either use greenstuff to sculpt or just a knife to scribe some sleeve lines at the wrist and then also paint up their hands like they are wearing gloves.
I think am going to get a box of these to build a small force for Infinity.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. |
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