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They've opened up another 150 Ultimate Tyrants exact same as before plus up next heavy weapons for the Veermyn Tunneler. It also looks like the Ajax Siege Strider is next.

I guess the Ajax strider will be a normal strider with new metal or resin arms. They'd better look uber-cool.

Ajax strider?

The Alpha rules have place holder entry for a siege Strider the "Ajax" it remains to seen exactly what it is but its likely to be upgrade parts for the current strider

 Alpharius wrote:
Ajax strider?

Enforcer walker that cleans your house.

They couldn't very well not have included those extra drones in the Asterian battlegroup(s); those are on the same tool as the skyrazors IIRC.

They sell the drones on their own they are on different mold

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/deadzone/asterians/product/asterian-weapons-drones.html

The Skyrazor has most of mold to itself due to the size with one or 2 Cyphers on it the weapon drones wouildnt fit as well

...Oh. Funny. I seem to remember they said differently on the DZ1 KS. Oh well, my bad then!

 DaveC wrote:
They sell the drones on their own they are on different mold

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/deadzone/asterians/product/asterian-weapons-drones.html

The Skyrazor has most of mold to itself due to the size with one or 2 Cyphers on it the weapon drones wouildnt fit as well

Aren't those actually restic and not true hard plastic though? I had thought when the material is "Sprueless Plastic" it meant their restic stuff.

Huh. Just had a look on Amazon to see what discounted GW vehicles go for. There are a lot of them that are in the $30-$40 range. Then there are a few presumably larger ones that run around $60.

I don't generally pay attention to GW vehicles, but I have to admit that I was expecting prices to be much higher.

Whether or not $30 a vehicle is a comparably good price basically depends not only on the production quality, but also on how large these models are, then. Because if they're mostly small to medium sized, I can't see the RRP on these vehicles being higher than Squig's $40 idea, and discounting that will bring it very close to $30.

Yes those are the Deadzone restic ones which are getting added to the Asterian Battlegroup, the other smaller drones are new and have already been funded and added to the Asterian Infantry sprue and by default to the Battlegroup

 scarletsquig wrote:
The Ultimate Tyrant pledges went very quickly this time around, thankfully they made sure to make 150 of the pledge level, rather than 5 like KoW.
It's a pretty great deal, reducing the cost of each battlegroup down to $62.50.
And you can get multiple Ultimate Tyrants in the pledge manager too, if you picked it during the campaign.
It's a good way to encourage people to go big during the KS itself rather than the pledge manager... which is good since this time there won't be any pledge manager stretch goals.

The thing is, I might possibly be tempted to get an UT in the pledge manager, but with a three week campaign and grown-up bills to pay (as well as other things that came first) the chances of me and others in my situation jumping from $150 to $425 simply isn't going to happen. Now I know you for example have been saving for this WP KS, but that's not exactly a normal situation - it's more of a unique one since you're a rather big Mantic fan. I don't think many people outside of the biggest fans of various companies - who also have some insider knowledge or so forth save up for Kickstarters for months in advance. I mean, I know there's going to be a Zombicide Black Plague Season 2 in 6-8 months, but there's no point saving up for it when there are other things to pay for in the meantime. So Mantic creating a new sweet spot with a week to go in a 3-week campaign is great for some, but not realistic for a whole lot of others.

I dunno they sold those 150 out in hours, and then are nearly 1/3 through a second batch. Nearly 8% of backers have globbed onto those pledges so somebody's buying them.

I still resolve 2x Total Warfare as a better deal where you trade $45 in extra cost to buy a vehicle and all of the books/dice/counters. I'm not for sure that you could toss the spare books on eBay and recoup the whole $45 in a hurry after you get them, but probably for enough to make the 20th theoretical vehicle (you could be buying infantry battlegroups, it's just easier to math with vehicles as the units...technically valuewise the heracles starter is probably highest of any of them) and extra command dice and counters pretty comparatively cheap.

I'm not fussed about the asterian battle group getting an extra big drone thing, but the tunneler laser things are freaking awesome. Does that concept art also then suggest that there's a kind of iris style opening behind the drills for the disgorgement of troops once the drills are raised?

I was going to question the Veer-myn's "chem laser", but I did a Google search first and apparently chemical lasers are a real thing. You learn something every day!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_laser

I'm at 2x Total Warfare myself. Very good deal.

Concept art does seem to depict an iris for the troop transport Tunneler...

Yeah, I don't think chemical lasers are exactly a proven technology at this point but they are, apparently, a thing. I think there's more science backing those (since they made at least one that at least worked to some degree) than stuff like plasma guns and so on.

If I back that value, it will probably be 2xTW. Would like to stay down at a single TW but we'll see. Corporation may ruin my plans..

Man I wasn't going to say anything but now I think I need to Azazelx my pledge... damn material substitution!



Anyways.... Total did pretty well today. Not as mad-dash as the first load of Ultimate Tyrants, but still a pretty good pickup for what would normally still be the doldrums. I'm hoping we can get past this one and however other many small/less exciting (for some anyway, I mean I'm happy about the chem laser upgrade but it's not *quite* a new faction etc etc) additions and have the GCPS/more vehicles/something unlocked by the 48 hour window.

That still doesn't answer the question about your sister.




Anyway, are the Veermyn cannon upgrades HIPS or garbage?

 GrimDork wrote:
I dunno they sold those 150 out in hours, and then are nearly 1/3 through a second batch. Nearly 8% of backers have globbed onto those pledges so somebody's buying them.

Sure, and I've got no problem with that. Just with the idea that it'll be "off-limits" to people who didn't grab one during the KS proper. I don't know what I'm worried about really. Mantic is always happy to take on some more funds, and artificial scarcity is an old, established marketing tactic. I guess Squig's post just set me off there. All good now.

I'm not convinced those rules and other junk will have any real value if you get 2x of TW. We're basically all just pledging for miniatures and a possibility of a ruleset that any of us actually like. 2 sets of rules in that kind of


I'll have a good look at this during the PM phase. I don't have any extra cash to throw at this beyond my 1.5 EB, and maybe (?) some of the DZ2 stuff will be in hand by then anyway. Unless they plan to do a combined shipping wave to save on postage? There's a lot of stuff already produced, after all.

One thing that has continued to actually bother me though is the "not" seam-line on the Enforcer dropship.





Take a good, close look. That does not look like "a piece that's been placed on top that's been edge highlighted int he centre." It looks absolutely like a seam line down the middle of the model. Including over and through every panel and texture, including the canopy windscreen.

Beasts of War weekender Warpath coverage starts at 45 minutes. Nothing new in it a good close up look at the Interceptor, the crew compartment has a detailed interior and the GCPS concept is of a ranger so it remains to be seen if they will have different head and weapon options on the sprue for different types of infantry

I don't see the 'seam' across the blue cockpit area in that picture. Given that every aspect of that paint scheme seems designed to repulse the viewer I'm betting the rest is painted on 'highlights'.
Baby poop colored guns? Really?

 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah, I don't think chemical lasers are exactly a proven technology at this point but they are, apparently, a thing. I think there's more science backing those (since they made at least one that at least worked to some degree) than stuff like plasma guns and so on.

If I back that value, it will probably be 2xTW. Would like to stay down at a single TW but we'll see. Corporation may ruin my plans..

Plasma guns are real. They're called flamethrowers. They just don't behave the way sci-fi would make you expect them to work.

Given that the model in the BoW video is 3d printed I almost wonder if they painted that central line onto the ship to show you where the seam will be on the plastic kit.. because you can bet the main body comes in two halves.

So, that interceptor looks significantly bigger than people were suggesting doesn't it?

At $30/£20 that looks like a cheap vehicle to me.

The BOW video gives a great look at the Interceptor, I am a lot more interested in the model as a result of the video. I am sure that a similar video from Mantic on the KS page would drum up a bit more support.

So if I pledge $1 am I able to increase to a Total Warfare pledge in the pledge manager stage? I know that it does not help contribute to any stretch goals but real life bills get in the way.

Yes it's in the FAQ

What if I can't afford everything I want now?

Of course, the more people that pledge during the campaign, the more we will be able to create, but unfortunately life gets in the way sometimes and you can't afford everything at once.

Not to worry - you will have the chance to add more in the pledge manager following the Kickstarter - can you add more items or even change your reward level. Just back at what you can afford for now.

We'll keep the pledge manager open for a few months to give you a chance to work out exactly what you want.

Excellent, cheers Dave. A forge father and Plague battle group with the FF tank set would suit me down to the ground. And more than makes up for spending a grand to take the missus to Euro Disney in the new year.

I don't know what to make of the seam anymore. It's clear that the painter highlighted it, though, which would be a strange thing to do if it's an artifact of manufacturing and not a design choice. And it's easy not to do that with your own, of course. The dropship in the video doesn't appear to have a seam down the middle of the "glass" cockpit, either, although that might be because of the paint job.

Having seen the video, I do like the design better overall.

I'll never understand Mantic. Sometimes they put out really nice sculpts that I'd love to use in other games, and sometimes they put things out like that gunship. It looks like a cheap generic action figure playset. I kept expecting them to demonstrate its spring-loaded missile action.

Also, that line down the middle is either a super obvious mold line, or a deliberate detail that was engineered to look exactly like a super obvious mold line. It runs across every bit of detail down the length of the craft.

 Guildsman wrote:
Can't believe I'm saying this, but those pathfinders actually look like really nice sculpts. Might have to pick those up at retail. When are we expecting the items from this kickstarter to hit retail?

Man, I agree! They look excellent. I know they were funded in the Deadzone campaign, but did a different sculptor do the pathfinders... and does Mantic have them sculpting anything else? These days I feel like I need to know the sculptor to pledge based on concept art, and that sculptor is one I'd feel confident pledging towards upcoming work for.