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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, it sold out within an hour on the GW webstore.
Just think of all those brand new players to KT, just coincidentally doing their GW shopping in that 1 specific hour picking up the new starter. So many new players to KT incoming.


/sigh

Well, I'm an established warhammer-er but I haven't dabbled in kill team since 2 editions ago (might be 3). I'd have bought it if the apparently crappy solo play options were in it.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, it sold out within an hour on the GW webstore.
Just think of all those brand new players to KT, just coincidentally doing their GW shopping in that 1 specific hour picking up the new starter. So many new players to KT incoming.


/sigh

Did it? I'm sure it was still listed when I checked in the middle of the week. It'll be reprinted anyway. As much as people dismissed it, lots of people really wanted those minis.

deano2099 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, it sold out within an hour on the GW webstore.
Just think of all those brand new players to KT, just coincidentally doing their GW shopping in that 1 specific hour picking up the new starter. So many new players to KT incoming.


/sigh

Did it? I'm sure it was still listed when I checked in the middle of the week. It'll be reprinted anyway. As much as people dismissed it, lots of people really wanted those minis.

Sorry, my bad, I thought it had gone up this morning. It was showing in my new pre-orders section. I guess it was last weeks'.
My point was that like most GW stuff called 'starter', it sells out to the existing players and barely any brand new players get their hands on it.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

deano2099 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, it sold out within an hour on the GW webstore.
Just think of all those brand new players to KT, just coincidentally doing their GW shopping in that 1 specific hour picking up the new starter. So many new players to KT incoming.


/sigh

Did it? I'm sure it was still listed when I checked in the middle of the week. It'll be reprinted anyway. As much as people dismissed it, lots of people really wanted those minis.

Sorry, my bad, I thought it had gone up this morning. It was showing in my new pre-orders section. I guess it was last weeks'.
My point was that like most GW stuff called 'starter', it sells out to the existing players and barely any brand new players get their hands on it.

Aren't new players more likely to pick the box up at a hobby store, bookstore or toy store rather than directly from the company's website anyway?

This has come up with starter boxes before - relatively scarce online, but tons on the shelves of retailers, because that's how GW prioritized distribution.

that is the point, any product that sells out on pre-order online with only few copies making to the store at all, isn't really anything new players will buy
because new players hardly ever start exactly at release or wait for something to come back in stock after months

the local store has Hivestorm as sold out and the starter set on backorder
so we are back to buying the Rulebook and a random team as the best value to start, not just because it is the most useful but also the only thing left to buy

 Shakalooloo wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Black Library could easily have it's very own "Fighting Fantasy" series of books

The Black Library did do a range of solo gamebooks - even got Jonathan Green to write them! - but I guess they didn't sell well enough to become a fixture.

They did? I must've completely missed those.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Black Library could easily have it's very own "Fighting Fantasy" series of books

The Black Library did do a range of solo gamebooks - even got Jonathan Green to write them! - but I guess they didn't sell well enough to become a fixture.

They did? I must've completely missed those.

Man, it's quite hard to find evidence they existed online - they're called 'Path to Victory', and there's a list of them here. Good luck getting a copy!

They will reprint it surely? Is meant to be the starter for the entire edition.

I think however cynical some were about this set, the reality is if they'd put out a box that was Space Marines Heroes Season 3 and 4 with those 14 minis and no Kill Team stuff for £57.50 it would have sold out on its own.

Seems like more typical GW thoughtlessness with the ‘cheap’ starter. It can’t grow Kill Team, if no one can get it…. I bet almost everyone that got it was just for the models, and probably threw everything else in the box out. So model hoarders win, people curious about Kill Team lose. And GW is like ‘it sold out, so who cares who bought it…’

It's only showing as temporarily out of stock on the UK site, so I'm sure it'll be back in stock at some point.

Previous starter kept getting reprinted throughout the last edition and even when it was out of stock it was never for long.

I expect this one to follow a similar patern

Which is something I think people are overlooking in the value discussion. To the consumer, there have been and continue to be better options if you are ready to go full-in on Kill Team. However, an edition long Starter Set that consist of 14 character sprues, MDF terrain, Cardboard tokens, and a few slim manuals is a great production option for GW. It keeps the starter set of taking valuable production time for plastic terrain or accessory sprues. Instead, everything other than the in-house model production can be done locally in the UK with little difficulty.

 alextroy wrote:
Which is something I think people are overlooking in the value discussion. To the consumer, there have been and continue to be better options if you are ready to go full-in on Kill Team. However, an edition long Starter Set that consist of 14 character sprues, MDF terrain, Cardboard tokens, and a few slim manuals is a great production option for GW. It keeps the starter set of taking valuable production time for plastic terrain or accessory sprues. Instead, everything other than the in-house model production can be done locally in the UK with little difficulty.

I think little difficulty isn't entirely honest either here. The sheer volume of "temporarily out of stock" shows that their production rates are stillsuffering atm, so whilst it wouldn't matter if they cast this kit or another one, it's all a balancing act of opportunity cost.

Dudeface wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Which is something I think people are overlooking in the value discussion. To the consumer, there have been and continue to be better options if you are ready to go full-in on Kill Team. However, an edition long Starter Set that consist of 14 character sprues, MDF terrain, Cardboard tokens, and a few slim manuals is a great production option for GW. It keeps the starter set of taking valuable production time for plastic terrain or accessory sprues. Instead, everything other than the in-house model production can be done locally in the UK with little difficulty.

I think little difficulty isn't entirely honest either here. The sheer volume of "temporarily out of stock" shows that their production rates are stillsuffering atm, so whilst it wouldn't matter if they cast this kit or another one, it's all a balancing act of opportunity cost.

Yes. Cannot image the nightmare to outsource most of the box to different companies, MDF, Carton, Print etc Only takes one of the external suppliers to fail and the box will not be complete and cannot be on the shelfs. Little control.

Hey, wasn’t the app supposed to add rules for the plague guard team? Or are we waiting for the “on sale” date rather than preorder?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hey, wasn’t the app supposed to add rules for the plague guard team? Or are we waiting for the “on sale” date rather than preorder?

On sale date.

 PenitentJake wrote:

The best way to play this game is buy the BRB and use your existing collection. And the best thing to do with this starter is not buy it so that GW never get the idea that people will tolerate this this kind of BS.

Sorry, GW already has this idea.....

My not buying it? That has nothing to do with a desire to send them some sort of message. It has everything to do with it being a product I have no need for.
Rules? I've already bought the new rulebook.
Marines? I've already got plenty of Marines. Not these EXACT models, but if I wanted to play this KT I have everything I'd need in my collection.
Death Guard? I've already got plenty of DG. Including all but 1 of those sculpts. And that 1 sculpt? I didn't deem it necessary to have the 1st time around. I still don't need it.
A bit of MDF terrain? Pfff. I've got terrain. As do the shops where I play. These bits would just get discarded.

For what it's worth, I'm one of the people who ordered this starter because I wanted those Death Guard and hadn't managed to get them elsewhere.

I know this sounds kinda dumb, but I'm not going to buy the new edition until I know I can play my army.

I know that the response is usually; "but you only need a few more models to play Kill Team."

Unfortunately, unless they let me make a Space Marine Lieutenants Kill Team, I can't afford to start another army.

Wow I sound kinda cranky. I should probably turn in for the evening.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I know this sounds kinda dumb, but I'm not going to buy the new edition until I know I can play my army.

I know that the response is usually; "but you only need a few more models to play Kill Team."

Unfortunately, unless they let me make a Space Marine Lieutenants Kill Team, I can't afford to start another army.

Wow I sound kinda cranky. I should probably turn in for the evening.

Why don't you know already? You can just read the current team rules for free on GWs site.
If you've got a Primaris based SM army you can definitely play KT - without ever buying another model. You just pull a Capt/Lt + 5 more guys out of your case when it's KT time.

I honestly didn't know. I'll go check it out this morning.

Remember I've been out of the gaming scene since the tail end of 5th Edition. I'm not used to GW giving away free rules, unless they were due to horrific misprints ( aka the Necromunda book that came with a bunch of free white pages in the middle instead of rules).

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I know this sounds kinda dumb, but I'm not going to buy the new edition until I know I can play my army.

I know that the response is usually; "but you only need a few more models to play Kill Team."

Unfortunately, unless they let me make a Space Marine Lieutenants Kill Team, I can't afford to start another army.

Wow I sound kinda cranky. I should probably turn in for the evening.

I'll be that guy, it's not an army you need, it's 1 box in reality. I'd never comment on people's circumstances, but it is one of the cheapest GW games to partake in if you have a group who already have the book/tokens etc.

Dudeface wrote:


I'll be that guy, it's not an army you need, it's 1 box in reality. I'd never comment on people's circumstances, but it is one of the cheapest GW games to partake in if you have a group who already have the book/tokens etc.

To quote Michael Corleone in "The Godfather Part III... Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."

No fanfare, but full Plague Marine rules are up

They seem to have a gimmick that there's a bunch of levers they can pull to make your day worse once you've been hit by a plague weapon and got a poison token (on top of it dealing a wound each subsequent turn).

Very inelegant rules - a lot of exceptions and conditions to potentially forget and mix up. On the other hand, pretty fluffy

All of them basically boil down to “do this unless they have a poison token; then do it more” don’t they?
Will say they should have just put Toxic in the general rules next to Poison though.

Thought about ordering the starter.

'TEMPORARY OUT OF STOCK'

Any guess when it changes to 'out of stock' within the month?

On Wayland its "pre-order allocation sold" and regardless will be offically released tomorrow.

Given it's importance I'm sure it will be back in stock very soon. Just keep an eye on it.

SamusDrake wrote:
On Wayland its "pre-order allocation sold" and regardless will be offically released tomorrow.

Given it's importance I'm sure it will be back in stock very soon. Just keep an eye on it.

I note Element has it being back in stock 31 Jan, so I wouldn't hold my breath. If GW need a restock of card bits etc it may be some time.

Do you think it's the card or the MDF that'll cause the restock issues here?