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 Dawnbringer wrote:


I note Element has it being back in stock 31 Jan, so I wouldn't hold my breath. If GW need a restock of card bits etc it may be some time.

Yeah, looking on Wayland this moring its now gone to "Awaiting reprint". Oh well...good luck to GW's public relations team!


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 Dysartes wrote:
Do you think it's the card or the MDF that'll cause the restock issues here?

At this point I'm pondering that GW are putting everything else aside for MESBG.

I don't understand how this starter box has become the crisis point people believe it to be. the box only just released. of course it's going to take a little while for it to get restocked on the shelves. GW isn't suddenly pivoting all their production capabilities for this one starter box which will remain in print for the edition. just be a little patient and the sky won't fall

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
I don't understand how this starter box has become the crisis point people believe it to be. the box only just released. of course it's going to take a little while for it to get restocked on the shelves. GW isn't suddenly pivoting all their production capabilities for this one starter box which will remain in print for the edition. just be a little patient and the sky won't fall

Crisis? Dont know what you're on about.

As for a Starter released now under the umbrella of the Christmas season, aimed at enticing new people to the game with an impulse buy... then it just missed all of that. There was not enough shelf time and the new peeps are totally unaware it even exists. I believe thats what people are on about. I mean everyone knows that in retail the golden quarter is what makes a huge part of the full year profit. If theres no availability theres no sale.

So February is when it's available again? It's not a patience game either the vets that sniped this, on the one week window it was available, are mostly covered and by then 3 or 4 months are gone in a 2 year lifecycle? Kinda pointless for a starter missing all the starting of the new edition.

Availability and specially during Christmas sales is crucial and GW has a lot of home work to do... thats all. No crisis.

Personally could care less its not like GW is particularly good at meeting demand and to be honest this box sucks a lot so good riddance I guess.

This. I have a feeling they only wanted to get rid of their Space Marine Heroes stock. That's it.

Am I right that there are no rules for GSC Neophyte Hybrids in the new edition?

 Gulgog TufToof wrote:
Am I right that there are no rules for GSC Neophyte Hybrids in the new edition?

Wyrmblade is the team you'll want to look at.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Personally could care less its not like GW is particularly good at meeting demand and to be honest this box sucks a lot so good riddance I guess.

A product you don't personally like does not necessarily make a bad product - just tthat it's not for you. I will agree on GW's continuing inability to predict demand so that there's some product available on launch day.

And in the same way they don't break boxes down and repack them for Christmas Battleforces, parakuribo, I'd be shocked if GW were unboxing Heroes boxes for this product - they're reusing the molds, that's all, but they'll be casting new product. I don't think I've seen anywhere with much of these two series available for quite a while - I'm about 90% sure I've not even seen anything from series 4 in person.

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Personally could care less its not like GW is particularly good at meeting demand and to be honest this box sucks a lot so good riddance I guess.

A product you don't personally like does not necessarily make a bad product - just tthat it's not for you.

For me and I repeat personally it kind of does, I think I was clear now and before on this thread I explained the reasons.

If you told me that, for you, personally it's a great product because of whatever X reason, I would not come here and say - "dude your opinion does not make a good product". Thats kind of a silly remark. Leads to nothing. I would rather talk about the X and the Y than try to downplay someone else personal opinions.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
I don't understand how this starter box has become the crisis point people believe it to be. the box only just released. of course it's going to take a little while for it to get restocked on the shelves. GW isn't suddenly pivoting all their production capabilities for this one starter box which will remain in print for the edition. just be a little patient and the sky won't fall

The point is not whether it is ever coming back. The point is - Kill Team is hottest right now, as a new release. Will it be whenever it comes back? Kill Team is hot now because of some video game out there, and this set may have made some new players as an easy point of entry. But neckbeards enjoy gatekeeping, rather than giving someone else a chance to play. Last point, it’s the holidays. It’s again when visibility on this would have been maximum to non or casual gamers. But instead, there’s nothing, while the neckbeards have the models they wanted after throwing everything else from the box out.

GW not being able to reasonably forecast demand is becoming all too common. At least in the old days, it was always too little. Now they seem to be guessing too little, or way too many. The pallets of Skaventide that’ll probably be sitting around until Sigmar fifth edition have joined the chat…

It's not guessing too little, it's being able to manufacture too little. That's not a simple thing to fix overnight and we know they are expanding that capability.

If there isn't enough capacity it is still a guessing problem as allocations need to more accurate

Same for paper/mdf

I'd be curious how many people are actually new-new players and not 40k players desperate to get their mitts on what were previously FOMO models that sold out in five minutes.

 kodos wrote:
If there isn't enough capacity it is still a guessing problem as allocations need to more accurate

Same for paper/mdf

Not really, they are under on everything. I don't expect you'd be able to figure out the optimal split between things even in hindsight and with full knowledge of the sales.

The problem is capacity.

And with more capacity they would still need to figure out the right allocation for any release

Even with twice the capacity this wouldn't mean that every single release just gets double the amount

Vorian wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If there isn't enough capacity it is still a guessing problem as allocations need to more accurate

Same for paper/mdf

Not really, they are under on everything. I don't expect you'd be able to figure out the optimal split between things even in hindsight and with full knowledge of the sales.

The problem is capacity.

While only anecdotal, Skaventide would completely disprove your theory. GW either made way too many, or just MASSIVELY misjudged demand. They are on clearance just to get rid of them at three local stores. When was the last time you saw that with a major big box GW release? Alas, for poor people that might of thought about Kill Team, though. The model hoarders gobbled up all the sets that were supposed to be for them.

It was the same for the AoS version before.

Given they've done it again this time I'm going to guess neither were a problem - but then we don't know because we aren't privy to their numbers.

Just like we don't know what they'd manufacture if they doubled their capacity.

so they overestimate the AoS boxes and underestimated the KT boxes
so allocating less capacity to AoS and more to KT would have changed that, but because it isn't capacity but still guessing the demand, increasing production capacity would not change that and guessing wrong leading to the result we see here

 totalfailure wrote:


The point is not whether it is ever coming back. The point is - Kill Team is hottest right now, as a new release. Will it be whenever it comes back? Kill Team is hot now because of some video game out there, and this set may have made some new players as an easy point of entry. But neckbeards enjoy gatekeeping, rather than giving someone else a chance to play. Last point, it’s the holidays. It’s again when visibility on this would have been maximum to non or casual gamers. But instead, there’s nothing, while the neckbeards have the models they wanted after throwing everything else from the box out.

I disagree on there being nothing. There's Hivestorm. That's still available. So there's a Kill Team starter still available to buy. It's a more expensive buy in, but last week we were all agreeing how it's by far the better product even with the price differential.

I'm not saying this is an ideal situation by any means. And not saying it isn't deeply weird that the actual edition-long starter has gone out of stock while the limited edition launch box is still available. But we're not in a position where there's literally no actual set for new players available at all. If Hivestorm sells out before this comes back, then I'd agree that's a disaster scenario. Especially if before Xmas.

People seem to be vastly overestimating how many people are buying it for the game over the obsessive marine collectors wanting their gacha they missed the first time.


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deano2099 wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:


The point is not whether it is ever coming back. The point is - Kill Team is hottest right now, as a new release. Will it be whenever it comes back? Kill Team is hot now because of some video game out there, and this set may have made some new players as an easy point of entry. But neckbeards enjoy gatekeeping, rather than giving someone else a chance to play. Last point, it’s the holidays. It’s again when visibility on this would have been maximum to non or casual gamers. But instead, there’s nothing, while the neckbeards have the models they wanted after throwing everything else from the box out.

I disagree on there being nothing. There's Hivestorm. That's still available. So there's a Kill Team starter still available to buy. It's a more expensive buy in, but last week we were all agreeing how it's by far the better product even with the price differential.

I'm not saying this is an ideal situation by any means. And not saying it isn't deeply weird that the actual edition-long starter has gone out of stock while the limited edition launch box is still available. But we're not in a position where there's literally no actual set for new players available at all. If Hivestorm sells out before this comes back, then I'd agree that's a disaster scenario. Especially if before Xmas.

Hivestorm's not selling out. It's plastered over a lot of third parties front pages. They're desperately trying to get rid of it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


Hivestorm's not selling out. It's plastered over a lot of third parties front pages. They're desperately trying to get rid of it.

In the UK at least Wayland are out, Element have it but at only 15% off - if they were desperate to get rid of it they'd presumably at least be offering the 20% they're allowed to.

Octarius stuck around for a long time as well, and so last edition the starter didn't sell out right away as it was just a sub-set of what was in that box. The ideal situation for GW is Hivestorm goes out of stock just at the point the teams and terrain are made available individually, which is usually when the next box comes out.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
People seem to be vastly overestimating how many people are buying it for the game over the obsessive marine collectors wanting their gacha they missed the first time.

I didn't realise you'd managed to slip a survey in with the order confirmations, Gideon.

And you may be right, but there's no data either way at this point.

Went to a local shop today by chance and they had 6 copies of kill team. I grabbed one. Another sold as I was there along with the hivestorm (or whatever the other new set is). The store is not really a game store as much as comic and anime shop. They didn’t know there was any demand for the game.

Already assembled the Death Guard. Will read the rules tomorrow at work.

Hoping all these miniature collectors who will never play the game but bought the starter will hurry up and start selling their MDF terrain sheets on ebay for me then!

 Arbitrator wrote:
I'd be curious how many people are actually new-new players and not 40k players desperate to get their mitts on what were previously FOMO models that sold out in five minutes.

I got it for my kid because he wants to get into 40k.
I’m not at all into much of anything GW except Underworlds.
I had no idea the models were in high demand. I bought it because it contained 14 unique sculpts, had terrain my kid doesn’t have to paint, and all the stuff him and a buddy need to play for a really good price.
I figured it was a good jumping in point to 40k for him.
That and it’s not overwhelming in the number of models a kid needs to paint.
It’s an Xmas present and my LGS had 20 copies.
So I guess you can say that’s copy for a new player.

Ghool-Nice! I am very sure your kid will have a good time.

theophony- Figured that would be the case. If it has Batman or Sailor Moon at the front with GW in the back, my guess is anynone buying KT there has a good chance of either mostly buying GW, or just picking up the starter and not going back to that 'nerd/weeb' store. EVER.

Wanted it for the Eliminator and heavy as well as a way to learn the rules... thankfully I still have the Dark Imperium set I ordered before 9th was announced. I can just make a DG team by buying a box of Plague Marines amd my Plaguecaster. Sadly I don't think many others will have that option.

Update is up. Gellerpox link leads to Fellgor card though.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ihicynef/the-first-kill-team-quarterly-update-sets-the-stage-for-future-adjustments/

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
I don't understand how this starter box has become the crisis point people believe it to be. the box only just released. of course it's going to take a little while for it to get restocked on the shelves. GW isn't suddenly pivoting all their production capabilities for this one starter box which will remain in print for the edition. just be a little patient and the sky won't fall

Not a crisis for the company. Very limiting for market penetration of game though. Chat to most retailers and they say the trade is front list driven. If it doesn't sell now, the buzz drops and the sales after that first month or two are always a fraction. Doesn't matter if it sells out or not, interest drops off rapidly once the cycle moves on and people are no longer talking about it. Sure some pick it up to play because friends are, but those sales are less than that initial splurge when many buy and never play.

First mission that comes along and its a sniper take-down. DJ stands table-ready...

Brutal & Kunnin up for preorder next week. I'll be getting that terrain and book, but will otherwise be passing on the box. Too much boxes already, and I dont need more teams.

I bet the ratling team will sell well though!

Are the new boxes for kill team re-badging of old boxes or they were not available before?

I just noticed the old kasrkin box was updated to the new style but is not in the list on warhammer community.... I buy them for my IG army, not for Kill team.