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2015/10/21 04:02:27
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
But those who have told me that were Tau, Eldar and Cron players. Essentially my best friends (lol)
Being a CSM player these days seems to bring out the utter hatred I have for this army and utmost respect I have for anyone else I see around, playing CSM of any variant. I hate it, hate it so much I have even contemplated ridding myself of my most worked on, most loved faction within the 40k universe and picking up my Tau again. But where would I be as a general amongst my friends if I were to do that? Another FOTM player? I've spent upwards of 4k dollars on all my CSM and Daemons now and though I haven't quite gotten through painting it all, it makes me happy to come home after a long week to my work desk so I can paint them.
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
If I ever play my CSM I'm at a monetary loss on equal point value simply because by playing CSM I require FW in order to be competitive. Every time I throw out a FW model, I am peppered with "Really bro?" "Are you serious?" & "Why bring FW, aren't you skilled enough without that?" Sorry but last I checked my 35 cultists won't be tabling you on their own. This can be from a friend who generally collects FW models himself (As Tau, owning 2 R'Varna and 2 Riptides and a Y'Varna) but would roll his eyes when the notion of a Fire Raptor Gunship would cross my mind for todays game.
Someone just PM me when the next CSM dex comes out please. I'm getting sick of Chaos being gimp and relying on $200 FW books and $250 FW variant tanks just to be on par with Loyalist factions.
</3 CSM>
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2015/10/21 04:06:48
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
It's just GW helping us Forge the Narrative of being wretched twisted bitter exiles living in a constant hellscape.
Really their best work when you think about it.
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2015/10/21 04:07:58
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
MarsNZ wrote: Your friends sound like idiots and CSM aren't going anywhere, they're the result of probably the most significant event in the ingame lore.
Very true. Also a far more entertaining way to enjoy your minis (Playing them in the aforementioned events ruleset)
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2015/10/21 04:14:51
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
2015/10/21 08:52:39
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
The next time your "friend" calls you out for bringing FW units, bring a dictionary with you (or find one online) and show him the definition of hypocrisy.
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2015/10/21 09:00:15
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Aren't forgeworld books hard backed? Just beat him with it until he apologises.
Joking aside, the only way to play CSM competitively is to use forge world. The best lists you can come up with, are probably over half forgeworld. And we don't even have any of that overpowered stuff. (Except maybe that fast attack fighter with a weird name)
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2015/10/21 09:36:57
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
And make sure to maintain an embittered, anti establishment persona while playing, it will make those challenges your forced to issue all that much more immersive for your characters!
2015/10/21 10:00:56
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
If you hate an army, the best thing to do is create stupid and funny lists that in no way would work
then if you win a game with that list, you will lessen your hatred if it.
E.G Funny list for CSM Typhus
210 Cultists
(consider adding in some sorcerors to make the list 1500 points)
It works 100% of the time for me!
2015/10/21 10:29:16
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
But those who have told me that were Tau, Eldar and Cron players. Essentially my best friends (lol)
Being a CSM player these days seems to bring out the utter hatred I have for this army and utmost respect I have for anyone else I see around, playing CSM of any variant. I hate it, hate it so much I have even contemplated ridding myself of my most worked on, most loved faction within the 40k universe and picking up my Tau again. But where would I be as a general amongst my friends if I were to do that? Another FOTM player? I've spent upwards of 4k dollars on all my CSM and Daemons now and though I haven't quite gotten through painting it all, it makes me happy to come home after a long week to my work desk so I can paint them.
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
If I ever play my CSM I'm at a monetary loss on equal point value simply because by playing CSM I require FW in order to be competitive. Every time I throw out a FW model, I am peppered with "Really bro?" "Are you serious?" & "Why bring FW, aren't you skilled enough without that?" Sorry but last I checked my 35 cultists won't be tabling you on their own. This can be from a friend who generally collects FW models himself (As Tau, owning 2 R'Varna and 2 Riptides and a Y'Varna) but would roll his eyes when the notion of a Fire Raptor Gunship would cross my mind for todays game.
Someone just PM me when the next CSM dex comes out please. I'm getting sick of Chaos being gimp and relying on $200 FW books and $250 FW variant tanks just to be on par with Loyalist factions.
</3 CSM>
Dark Eldar players who were 12 years without a codex update and with little to no FW support would like to have a word with you.
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2015/10/21 10:31:21
Subject: Re:Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Good lord man, clobber them with the FW book. It's 7th edition 40k, you shouldn't be getting whinged at for bringing legitimate units for your force.
Alternatively, if you want to really induce rage (both in your opponents who for some reason hate FW as well as cause rage in yourself when you realise how poor the Codex is compared to a 30k Legion force), buy these:
Then put together a Word Bearers force with allied Dæmons, a Mhara Gal, Val Gorbak, a Diabolist and then rage some more at how GW got it so wrong and FW got it so right in a much simpler manner.
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2015/10/21 12:00:48
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
-v10mega wrote: Take your chaos space marines and build a demi company and say they are chaos then apocalypse allies with the daemons
This is sadly the best option if you don't mind being generic. Playing Alpha legion? Pick up the Raven Guard rules. Iron Warriors? Use Iron hands perhaps with impguard allies for artillary. Only army that doesn't work for is possibly Night lords unless there's a jump pack formation for SM
2015/10/21 13:19:57
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
But those who have told me that were Tau, Eldar and Cron players. Essentially my best friends (lol)
Being a CSM player these days seems to bring out the utter hatred I have for this army and utmost respect I have for anyone else I see around, playing CSM of any variant. I hate it, hate it so much I have even contemplated ridding myself of my most worked on, most loved faction within the 40k universe and picking up my Tau again. But where would I be as a general amongst my friends if I were to do that? Another FOTM player? I've spent upwards of 4k dollars on all my CSM and Daemons now and though I haven't quite gotten through painting it all, it makes me happy to come home after a long week to my work desk so I can paint them.
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
If I ever play my CSM I'm at a monetary loss on equal point value simply because by playing CSM I require FW in order to be competitive. Every time I throw out a FW model, I am peppered with "Really bro?" "Are you serious?" & "Why bring FW, aren't you skilled enough without that?" Sorry but last I checked my 35 cultists won't be tabling you on their own. This can be from a friend who generally collects FW models himself (As Tau, owning 2 R'Varna and 2 Riptides and a Y'Varna) but would roll his eyes when the notion of a Fire Raptor Gunship would cross my mind for todays game.
Someone just PM me when the next CSM dex comes out please. I'm getting sick of Chaos being gimp and relying on $200 FW books and $250 FW variant tanks just to be on par with Loyalist factions.
</3 CSM>
Dark Eldar players who were 12 years without a codex update and with little to no FW support would like to have a word with you.
Meh. I'm a DE player. I'd trade in our "update" for 5th Dex anyday. Without even blinking.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2015/10/21 14:34:00
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Bring another fire raptor. Tell your friend to get good
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2015/10/21 14:52:41
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
40kCSM: Crap rules, crap models, crap fluff, no support, epic characters have worse TT performance than some armies' basic infantry choices.
In summary; you're right.
2015/10/21 14:55:29
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
But those who have told me that were Tau, Eldar and Cron players. Essentially my best friends (lol)
Being a CSM player these days seems to bring out the utter hatred I have for this army and utmost respect I have for anyone else I see around, playing CSM of any variant. I hate it, hate it so much I have even contemplated ridding myself of my most worked on, most loved faction within the 40k universe and picking up my Tau again. But where would I be as a general amongst my friends if I were to do that? Another FOTM player? I've spent upwards of 4k dollars on all my CSM and Daemons now and though I haven't quite gotten through painting it all, it makes me happy to come home after a long week to my work desk so I can paint them.
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
If I ever play my CSM I'm at a monetary loss on equal point value simply because by playing CSM I require FW in order to be competitive. Every time I throw out a FW model, I am peppered with "Really bro?" "Are you serious?" & "Why bring FW, aren't you skilled enough without that?" Sorry but last I checked my 35 cultists won't be tabling you on their own. This can be from a friend who generally collects FW models himself (As Tau, owning 2 R'Varna and 2 Riptides and a Y'Varna) but would roll his eyes when the notion of a Fire Raptor Gunship would cross my mind for todays game.
Someone just PM me when the next CSM dex comes out please. I'm getting sick of Chaos being gimp and relying on $200 FW books and $250 FW variant tanks just to be on par with Loyalist factions.
</3 CSM>
Dark Eldar players who were 12 years without a codex update and with little to no FW support would like to have a word with you. [/quote
]
Meh. I'm a DE player. I'd trade in our "update" for 5th Dex anyday. Without even blinking.
Ah... but would you go back to the 98... codex?
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2015/10/21 15:07:55
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Hey! I just had a shocking idea!
Give CSM their 30k rules with marks/icons/relics.
Minimal effort on GW's part.
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2015/10/21 16:54:35
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
People still complain about FW? After Decurion, Gladius Strike Force and the 7th ed Eldar codex?
Talk about picking your battles, damn.
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2015/10/21 17:51:33
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
They sound like whiners. Unless youre brining a Titan to a 1,500 or less just standard game FW doesnt matter anymore. I used to abhore the idea of FW even in 6th and now with 7th it is just obvious GW doesnt care about rules so why should I?
CSM is outdated in every possible way. Even the FW stuff isnt crazy. I use the Laser Destroyer Vindicator because a normal Vind is worthless at 24" range. My friends dont care and just blow it up from 72" away.
I bought a Glotkin Ghurk to be my Chaos Imperial Knight, havent played it yet but at 500ish points it isnt cheesy. Im assuming he too will just end up dying in some range of 24" to 36" away.
2015/10/21 18:11:34
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
But those who have told me that were Tau, Eldar and Cron players. Essentially my best friends (lol)
Being a CSM player these days seems to bring out the utter hatred I have for this army and utmost respect I have for anyone else I see around, playing CSM of any variant. I hate it, hate it so much I have even contemplated ridding myself of my most worked on, most loved faction within the 40k universe and picking up my Tau again. But where would I be as a general amongst my friends if I were to do that? Another FOTM player? I've spent upwards of 4k dollars on all my CSM and Daemons now and though I haven't quite gotten through painting it all, it makes me happy to come home after a long week to my work desk so I can paint them.
Is it just me? I cannot be the only one out there that looks at CSM as a faction and wonder "Why do they still exist if GW refuses to bring them up to par with even the most basic of equipment" I sometimes wonder if they should (Dare I say it) get Squated and be done with as a faction.
If I ever play my CSM I'm at a monetary loss on equal point value simply because by playing CSM I require FW in order to be competitive. Every time I throw out a FW model, I am peppered with "Really bro?" "Are you serious?" & "Why bring FW, aren't you skilled enough without that?" Sorry but last I checked my 35 cultists won't be tabling you on their own. This can be from a friend who generally collects FW models himself (As Tau, owning 2 R'Varna and 2 Riptides and a Y'Varna) but would roll his eyes when the notion of a Fire Raptor Gunship would cross my mind for todays game.
Someone just PM me when the next CSM dex comes out please. I'm getting sick of Chaos being gimp and relying on $200 FW books and $250 FW variant tanks just to be on par with Loyalist factions.
</3 CSM>
Finally! some one who shares my pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It took nearly 6 years for someone to admit it!!!!!
The CSM models are so wicked sick cool looking but the rules suck.
You gotta know your place. as CSM or Ork, your job is to die for the good guy snow flakes and eldars.
My only recommendation is to not buy 5 imperial knights...
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2015/10/21 18:15:26
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
TheCustomLime wrote: People still complain about FW? After Decurion, Gladius Strike Force and the 7th ed Eldar codex?
Talk about picking your battles, damn.
I hate FW because of it's prices, but GW is quickly making that irrelevant.
$50 for 10 Fire Warriors. Just one price hike away from being on par with DKoK.
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30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
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: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far!
2015/10/21 18:56:24
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Eldarain wrote: It's just GW helping us Forge the Narrative of being wretched twisted bitter exiles living in a constant hellscape.
Really their best work when you think about it.
This is exactly how I feel. I had such high hopes GW would right the wrongs of 4e. Then the 6e CSM codex and models dropped. The utter disappointment I felt was beyond description. That wound festered for years and grew as the slights mounted, until finally I quit 40k entirely. Yet I remain lurking on forums, waging a perpetual shadow war against the gaming empire that betrayed me, fueled by never-ending bitterness and hatred.
Chaos marines, I can empathize.
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2015/10/21 19:03:59
Subject: Ive been told im a Salty SOB when it comes to CSM
Eldarain wrote: It's just GW helping us Forge the Narrative of being wretched twisted bitter exiles living in a constant hellscape.
Really their best work when you think about it.
This is exactly how I feel. I had such high hopes GW would right the wrongs of 4e. Then the 6e CSM codex and models dropped. The utter disappointment I felt was beyond description. That wound festered for years and grew as the slights mounted, until finally I quit 40k entirely. Yet I remain lurking on forums, waging a perpetual shadow war against the gaming empire that betrayed me, fueled by never-ending bitterness and hatred.
Chaos marines, I can empathize.
I don't even have my CSM army anymore, and I still complain like an asshat about the state of CSM.
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