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Made in nz
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Yup, it's smaller than most people think. I'm glad I put up a comparison pic since it's hard to tell in most pictures on the web.

Yeah shasolenzabi, I agree to some extent, that's certainly how things are now. I think the scale between marine and vehicle was much closer in the beginning. The plastic Rogue Trader beakies are an ok size to the mkI Rhino and Land Raider,but even then they were on the big size. Then GW started up-scaling their marines, so the newer Rhino and Land Raider got up-scaled as well, but not quite as much as they should have. For instance, no marine could go in and out of any of the current copulas thanks to the current size of shoulder pad, not even the marine gunner and spotter that come standard, which is why I never use them. Although, it seems to me that the old beakies are probably the perfect size for a marine to be in-scale to all the current SM vehicles. FW does a pretty good job, especially with their flyers, but even all the HH tanks have copulas a basic marine could never go in and out of. So yup, representational!

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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Eastern edge

Proper scaled Land Raiders would be 11" x 8.5" with the wider cupola hatches to take the power armor into account.

"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Hehe, that would be a big Land Raider, just goes to show you! Although, there are odd instances where it seemed GW was attempting to rectify the shoulder pads/ cupola issue. For instance, the gunner's cupola on the original Razorback kit had three separate hatches, a square shaped central one flanked on both sides by semi-circular shaped ones, in order to accommodate the gunners shoulder pads. Also, the original Vindicator kit came with a gunner/commander figure who was a fairly manageable size, and was not wearing the customary bulky SM shoulder pads. I'm pretty sure if placed in a current Rhino's cupola he'd look as if he could actually go in and out of it with relative ease.

Well, speaking of cupolas, I just added some to this cool Hover Tank model I acquired off of eBay. According to the box it was made by a company called John Larson Productions. It looks fairly old, and the name of the company suggests it was a one-man operation. It's a very nice kit with a lot of detail, and it's pretty darn huge for a solid resin hover tank model. It's probably based on Hammer's Slammers, but who knows?



Added a storm bolter and a hunter killer missile for fun! Here's a shot of the back!



Hehe, I'm taking it easy after that metal T-hawk build!

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timd wrote:


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Clacks Scotland

OOOOOooooooohhh.... Me likey!!!

The turret on the hover tank is really nicely shaped!

And I think you deserve to take it easy after that immense Metal T Hawk build!


As my father once said to me : You cant polish a turd... but you can roll it in glitter!
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That is a big hovertank!

"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!



 
   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Glad you like it MagosBiff!

Yeah, when I stumbled upon it on eBay I had no idea what it was, where it came from, or what I could use it for, but I knew it was awesome! Oh, and cheap! Yup, I too was impressed by the turrets shape and overall build!

Hehe, thanks, I need the time to let the calluses on my fingers heal!

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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Madison, WI

Very cool Heliodore. That looks on-par with my old resin Eldar Tempest grav tank... perhaps even bigger (certainly taller).

   
Made in nz
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Thanks guys, glad you like it as well!

@Gitsplitta: Yeah, I do believe the Larson hover tank is bigger. I've never actually seen the old Armorcast/Biasi Eldar Tempest in person, but looking at some pics online it does look to be smaller. I'll take a pic of the Larson hover tank next to some of my other models and post it here tomorrow!

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


All hail Heliodor, Bicontinental Lord of the Old School!
 
   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

There you go, not the best pic, but good enough to see the size comparison next to my Stormblade and third party APC!


See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


All hail Heliodor, Bicontinental Lord of the Old School!
 
   
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Anacoco, Louisiana

I think there's going to be a flood of PMs and such asking where that third-party APC came from. I'm curious myself, so yeah! XD
   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

@Kepora: Hehe, I don't think that many people follow my thread! Well, it was actually made by another Dakka member, OneManNoodles, and he sells them on ebay. Here is his WIP thread, he's a pretty great scratch builder, as are all the members of the League.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/509255.page

Here's another pic of the tank next to an old Armorcast tank!


See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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UK

Hover tank looks great, I'm sure I've seen it somewhere before but I can't put my finger it. The armour cast tank looks awesome as well, I never really saw the armour cast stuff, do they have a catalogue anywhere of the old stuff they used to do?

   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Thanks Calibanite Lion! Yeah, I know what you mean, there are several hover tank models out on the market, other than this one I have the one made by Demonscape. The Larson kit looks similar to something, could very well be a real world tank or what no. I know next to nothing about John Larson Productions, even using Google there are only a handful of pics, and there doesn't seem to have be anything else made by them.

Yeah, the Armorcast tank above was produced after they had lost their 40k licence from GW. My guess it was first released c. 2000 along with various interchangeable weapons platforms and a dedicated APC version. Armorcast is still up and running, although it is no longer owned and run by its original founders. I believe the APC and weapons carrier tank were still being sold for quite some time, but not any longer. You can still buy some of the weapons at their website. If you want to see what they sold during their 40k hay-day check out:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Resin_Vehicles_&_Titans
For anything after that you have the current website:
http://www.armorcast.com/
However, for oop items like the aforementioned tanks, I know they produced a catalog in 2000, I've seen it on eBay, but other than snagging a copy I'm not sure there is any other such resource.

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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Clacks Scotland

Hey , ate... some awesome looking models there...
As I mentioned previously I really like that hover tank..... but that IH super heavy tank is incredible! Seeing it in that pic reminded me how cool it is....... GET SOME PAINT ON IT..... please! :-) hehe......

As my father once said to me : You cant polish a turd... but you can roll it in glitter!
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 Heliodore wrote:
Thanks Calibanite Lion! Yeah, I know what you mean, there are several hover tank models out on the market, other than this one I have the one made by Demonscape. The Larson kit looks similar to something, could very well be a real world tank or what no. I know next to nothing about John Larson Productions, even using Google there are only a handful of pics, and there doesn't seem to have be anything else made by them.

Yeah, the Armorcast tank above was produced after they had lost their 40k licence from GW. My guess it was first released c. 2000 along with various interchangeable weapons platforms and a dedicated APC version. Armorcast is still up and running, although it is no longer owned and run by its original founders. I believe the APC and weapons carrier tank were still being sold for quite some time, but not any longer. You can still buy some of the weapons at their website. If you want to see what they sold during their 40k hay-day check out:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Resin_Vehicles_&_Titans
For anything after that you have the current website:
http://www.armorcast.com/
However, for oop items like the aforementioned tanks, I know they produced a catalog in 2000, I've seen it on eBay, but other than snagging a copy I'm not sure there is any other such resource.


I'll have a look through those, thanks for the links. I may end up doing an ebay trawl for hover tanks now , just don't tell my partner lol!

   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Aw man, left you guys hanging! @Magosbiff90: Hehe, yeah I totally want to paint it up, but it will have to wait till after my move, lots to do as usual!

@Calibanite Lion: Hehe, loose lips sink ships! A company called Daemonscape makes some nice hover tank resin kits, I have a pic of one somewhere in this thread!

So yeah, been a bit busy with moving, but I've had time for some other builds. Built a fake Xiphon, but then bought a real one! Got my hands on a Plasma Oblietrator, what a mess to say the least. Finally, been working on a Land Raider armed with a grav cannon and plasma cannon side sponsons for my Iron Hands using the Mechanicum rules in HH1. I lost a crucial piece by acident and have been sitting on it until I can get it replaced, oh well.

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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Canada,Prince Edward Island

Gah you tease us with nothing but words! Good luck with the move as well

   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Hehe, thanks! Don't worry, I'll definitely take pics of everything I mentioned!

See my scratch-build projects here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/267859.page

timd wrote:


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The Rock

Just had a look at your metal Thunderhawk build. Holy crap that thing must weigh a lot!! Excellent work :-)

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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Thanks angelofvengeance! I finally got around to weighting it, although I may not have used the best set of scales. The metal T-hawk came in at about 3 kg or 6.6 lbs. So, it's not as bad as one would think, but it is still pretty hefty. I'll weight it again if I get the chance to use a better set of scales.

Still moving, but making a lot of progress, here's the plasma obliterator I built next to an old piece of GW terrain, hehe. The obliterator was a huge pain to put together not a lot of room for error, which is fine as long as your pieces aren't warped. One of my floor sections was badly warped and miscast, but not badly enough to warren an exchange, I just trudged on through. Let's just say it looks fine from a distance!



Now, I actually really like the old card stock terrain sets. Got this one secondhand and mounted it on some hard board, which I will paint and flock up one of these days!

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timd wrote:


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Eastern edge

Dsteingas has a thread that showed how to make the old card stock pieces over in plasticard and more sturdy and 3-d like.

All because of the character the old card stock/plastic frames stuff is

"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!



 
   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Yeah, I totally saw that! Now that's dedication!

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timd wrote:


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Made in nz
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Whew, it's been awhile! I got my move done with and with only light casualties, and have finally reached a new semblance of normalcy! The last couple of weeks have seen the completion of a number of smaller projects, one of which has been a thorn in my side for the last three months!

I mentioned previously that I was working on a grav/plasma land raider based off the Mechanicus section of the FW's first HH book. Well, making it was an excuse to use Chapterhouse Studios' LR upgrade kit, as well as to put some plasma cannons on a LR due to this old piece of Rogue Trader art:



I also recalled an obscure reference to a Hecate pattern LR, but saw that this was actually a proto-Redeemer, so I figured I'd just do whatever I wanted with it. So, looking at the above pic and having a friend point me in the direction of the Mechanicus LR rules I figured why not. In the rules you can give the LR T-linked plasma culverins in the front, but I opted to give it the graviton cannon instead, since that seemed more Iron Hands-ish, and of course plasma cannons on the side sponsons. So, it took the shipping company that CHS uses a month and a half to get to me in New Zealand. Then, do to my own bad luck, I accidentally lost or threw away one of the pieces that makes up a side sponson. I asked CHS if I could buy a replacement, and they said sure thing. Sadly, that one piece also took a month and half to arrive and turned out to be the wrong side that I was missing. So, as Tim Gunn always says, I had to make it work, hehe! Using plastic card and cutting the detail from off the extra piece I fabricated the missing part and so far so good, all done!



I did some preliminary base coating on the graviton cannon area because that top piece ends of obscuring it all when put on. As you can kind of see, I used parts from FW, as well as Machinator treads, quite the amalgamation!

The next thing I have to show is a fairly rare piece from the Rogue Trader days. Most people have heard of Armorcast, Forge World USA, and Epicast, but there was another company in the UK that for a very short time had a license to try their hand at making resin vehicles for 40k. The company was called Monolith and was founded by Steve Mussard, who had worked for GW for a time. The specimen I got my grubby paws on was one of his Leman Russ tanks. As you can see it was based on Citadel's first Epic scale Leman Russ model, which looked more like a WWI era tank than what we today typically think of as a Leman Russ tank.

http://www.galactic-intrigue.com/epicollector/Pages/2-Catalog/Imperial-Catalog/Imperial-Photos/Tanks-LemanRussMKI.jpg

Now, from everything I've read, this kit was sold for a limited time because Monolith did not have the license with GW for very long. I'm guessing the time frame would have been the early 90s when the only plastic vehicle kits GW had was the Rhino and Land Raider and obviously before the plastic Leman Russ kit came out. The quality of this kit is quite poor, probably because it was meant to be a test run, since if you've see some of the stuff Monolith made for Epic, they can do pretty detailed work. Anyways, I probably depreciated the value of the kit by building it, but I'm a modeller first and a collector second (and a painter 10th hehe). In order to avoid any anachronisms with the build, I only used bits from off the mkI Rhino, using the Epic model it was based on as a reference. Well, here you go, these may very well be the only built pics of this model online. You can see it in pieces on the collector's wiki.





In order to get the track assemblies to fit on the hull I had to thicken up the hull with plasticard. You can't tell from the pics, but this guy is pretty small, I may put a comparison pic up at some point!


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timd wrote:


All hail Heliodor, Bicontinental Lord of the Old School!
 
   
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Madison, WI

Nice work on the LR variant... interesting look.

   
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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Thanks Gitsplitta! I guess it comes down to whether one likes the CHS kit. I thought the way that the front hull piece is centered was aesthetically nifty for mounting a graviton cannon. This way it too is centered, instead of being off to the right like on a LR Achilles.

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timd wrote:


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 Gitsplitta wrote:
Drilling out the gun barrels is a sign of a true hobbyist.

gak, I consider that the bare minimum. That and mold line removal. I don't think you're actually building models until you do some custom work, until then it's just building a kit.

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Midland, TX or Wellington, New Zealand

Here's a comparison shot between the Monolith Leman Russ, mkI Rhino, and mkI Land Raider. In terms of size it looks totally fine considering these were the only GW vehicle kits out at the time. Of course, next to the actual plastic Leman Russ kit, I have a FW alpha pattern (not pictured), it's pretty small.



I got lucky on eBay and was able to find an auction for just the new sprue that makes up the Warhammer World exclusive LR Excelsior and Rhino Primaris kit. As such, all I needed to do was hunt down a naked rhino and land raider, which can be done for fairly cheap in this day and age! Here's the LR Excelsior:



And here's the Rhino Primaris next to FW's Damocles Command Rhino, since many were saying the Primaris was channeling the Damocles:


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timd wrote:


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Nice finds!

Yeah, that Plasma obliterator was a pain. Mine was flawless except for the central tube where everything connected. >.>

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Madison, WI

Those modified rhinos look great!

   
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Great work on that metal T-hawk.

You're @ braver hobbist than me by far!

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