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insaniak wrote:The more fun bit is that nowhere that I can find in the rules does it actually define the size of the template or Blast markers, or even do anything as basic as tell you to use the set that GW makes.

I was just reading the fantasy book and read this thinking "No, they even have a page of them that you can copy." But not in 40k!

That, sir, is wonderful.

kirsanth wrote:I was just reading the fantasy book and read this thinking "No, they even have a page of them that you can copy." But not in 40k!

They did in the 3rd and 4th ed books. Just not the current one.

insaniak wrote:They did in the 3rd and 4th ed books. Just not the current one.

Yea. . .I went and checked even.

It makes me a little sad I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me, what, 2 years later?

I love it.

insaniak wrote:The more fun bit is that nowhere that I can find in the rules does it actually define the size of the template or Blast markers, or even do anything as basic as tell you to use the set that GW makes.

Page 30, BGB under Large blasts: "There are two sizes of blast marker: the normal one (3" diameter) and the large one (5" diameter)."

But, I can't find anything that clearly defines the template shape.

Grakmar wrote:

insaniak wrote:The more fun bit is that nowhere that I can find in the rules does it actually define the size of the template or Blast markers, or even do anything as basic as tell you to use the set that GW makes.

Page 30, BGB under Large blasts: "There are two sizes of blast marker: the normal one (3" diameter) and the large one (5" diameter)."

But, I can't find anything that clearly defines the template shape.

And the size of the hole in the middle? That is needed too. . .

They do give approximations though, iirc they mention the template is roughly 8" long or somesuch.

Too funny.

kirsanth wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

insaniak wrote:The more fun bit is that nowhere that I can find in the rules does it actually define the size of the template or Blast markers, or even do anything as basic as tell you to use the set that GW makes.

Page 30, BGB under Large blasts: "There are two sizes of blast marker: the normal one (3" diameter) and the large one (5" diameter)."

But, I can't find anything that clearly defines the template shape.

And the size of the hole in the middle? That is needed too. . .

They do give approximations though, iirc they mention the template is roughly 8" long or somesuch.

Too funny.

Ah, I did forget the hole being important.

Yeah, I think this problem is the same issue as the lack of rules for deployment: The rule-writers have been playing 40k for so long they just assume players will instinctively "know" the rules that aren't spelled out in the BGB.

Hi guys, I lost my GW ones so I made my own its ok right let me just get my 9 leman russ army out real quick



Fun fact, they actually do tell you how to make the "Hellstorm Template", but not the normal one.

Irony much?

kirsanth wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

insaniak wrote:The more fun bit is that nowhere that I can find in the rules does it actually define the size of the template or Blast markers, or even do anything as basic as tell you to use the set that GW makes.

Page 30, BGB under Large blasts: "There are two sizes of blast marker: the normal one (3" diameter) and the large one (5" diameter)."

But, I can't find anything that clearly defines the template shape.

And the size of the hole in the middle? That is needed too. . .

They do give approximations though, iirc they mention the template is roughly 8" long or somesuch.

Too funny.

Gwar! wrote:Hi guys, I lost my GW ones so I made my own its ok right let me just get my 9 leman russ army out real quick



Fun fact, they actually do tell you how to make the "Hellstorm Template", but not the normal one.

Irony much?

And why should they?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1320000&_requestid=1124334

Oh gee, look at that. They make the templates in question. I guess now we all can stop crying that they don't give dimensions on the templates and the center hole and oh I don't know....use the ones MADE BY the game designers maybe?

Common sense is common sense people. God gave you all a brain for a reason.

Use it.

Cheers!

Oh gee, look at that. They make the templates in question. I guess now we all can stop crying that they don't give dimensions on the templates and the center hole and oh I don't know....use the ones MADE BY the game designers maybe?

Common sense is common sense people. God gave you all a brain for a reason.

You've missed the point about this thread it is not a place to argue common sense or by engaging your brain. It is about following what is written as if you were a computer program and seeing what stupid results you get by working from the theory that RaW = The Rules.

jp400 wrote:God gave you all a brain for a reason.

Apparently it was given to the folks who wrote the current Fantasy rules, just not the 40k writers. . .see page 8 of the Fantasy rules.

Grakmar wrote:[Page 30, BGB under Large blasts: "There are two sizes of blast marker: the normal one (3" diameter) and the large one (5" diameter)."

Ah, there it is

Well spotted.

jp400 wrote:Oh gee, look at that. They make the templates in question. I guess now we all can stop crying that they don't give dimensions on the templates and the center hole and oh I don't know....use the ones MADE BY the game designers maybe?

Common sense is common sense people. God gave you all a brain for a reason.

Use it.

God also gave me a button that suspends people for being needlessly rude.

I would recommend that you go back and re-read the original post in this thread. Nobody is 'crying' about it, and everybody understands which templates and markers we are supposed to use. That wasn't the point of the thread.

Vulkan CAN take a command squad because it states you can have one for a Space Marine Captain and in his rules it states he is a SM captain. The fact he's missed off the list in the unit entry is irrelevant as it doesn't state a "SM Captain with a combi-melta that I've called bob" can take a command squad but we all know he could. All SM Captains are alllowed and he is such RaW .

FlingitNow wrote:Vulkan CAN take a command squad because it states you can have one for a Space Marine Captain and in his rules it states he is a SM captain.

What? No, it doesn't...

What? No, it doesn't...

No you're right it says commander not Captain good spot.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Just a question, what happens when a USR contradicts another USR?

I had a unit of marine bikers turbo-boost, but they had relentless, so could ignore the movement for the purpose of fire heavy or rapid fire weapons. The rule for relentless then says that you can assault in the same turn you fire those weapons, so I preceded to assault after turbo-boosting and firing the bolters. Is this a really nice hole in the game?

The Bringer wrote:Just a question, what happens when a USR contradicts another USR?

I had a unit of marine bikers turbo-boost, but they had relentless, so could ignore the movement for the purpose of fire heavy or rapid fire weapons. The rule for relentless then says that you can assault in the same turn you fire those weapons, so I preceded to assault after turbo-boosting and firing the bolters. Is this a really nice hole in the game?

Break no Rule.

Rule A says you can't fire and/or assault.
Rule B says you can fire and/or assault.

The only way to not break any rules is to not fire and/or assault.

kirsanth wrote:And the size of the hole in the middle? That is needed too. . .

Especially since the small marker has a larger hole than the large marker. Rather counter-intuitive.



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Gwar! wrote:

FlingitNow wrote:Vulkan CAN take a command squad because it states you can have one for a Space Marine Captain and in his rules it states he is a SM captain.

What? No, it doesn't...

P132 "You may take one Command Squad for every Space Marine Captain in your army"
P93 "it is a burden borne by Captain He'stan"

However, it goes on to say that "he set down his burdens as commander of the 4th company and don the mantle of ForgeFather" "As He'stan relinquished his old old titles and duties"
So, is he still a captain if he's surrendered his command? All of the other captains are referred to as such in the page title - he's referred to as Forgefather.
He used to be a captain but isn't one anymore. Can I take command squads for Chapter Masters? They used to be captains.


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jp400 wrote:Oh gee, look at that. They make the templates in question. I guess now we all can stop crying that they don't give dimensions on the templates and the center hole and oh I don't know....use the ones MADE BY the game designers maybe?

The rule book doesn't say that you use those.

That's the same argument people use to say that books with "Games Workshop" and "Warhammer 40,000 expansion" logos on them aren't official unless mentioned in the BRB. (e.g. Planetstrike or Imperial Armour)

This is the best thread I've ever read.

jp400 wrote:
Common sense is common sense people. God gave you all a brain for a reason.

Common sense ANGERS RAWBOT. RAWBOT SMAAAASH.

Has anyone mention the DA codex allowing you to buy "five additional [tactical] space marines for 75 points" but to no max limit?

Hallowed_Da'Credo wrote:Has anyone mention the DA codex allowing you to buy "five additional [tactical] space marines for 75 points" but to no max limit?

It allows you to buy 5 additional marines. It doesn't say you can do that more than once.

This on is also clarified in the DA FAQ.

Gwar! wrote:

The Bringer wrote:Just a question, what happens when a USR contradicts another USR?

I had a unit of marine bikers turbo-boost, but they had relentless, so could ignore the movement for the purpose of fire heavy or rapid fire weapons. The rule for relentless then says that you can assault in the same turn you fire those weapons, so I preceded to assault after turbo-boosting and firing the bolters. Is this a really nice hole in the game?

Break no Rule.

Rule A says you can't fire and/or assault.
Rule B says you can fire and/or assault.

The only way to not break any rules is to not fire and/or assault.

EDIT - Nevermind, wording wasn't as I remembered for Relentless.

insaniak wrote:

Hallowed_Da'Credo wrote:Has anyone mention the DA codex allowing you to buy "five additional [tactical] space marines for 75 points" but to no max limit?

It allows you to buy 5 additional marines. It doesn't say you can do that more than once.

This on is also clarified in the DA FAQ.

By GW's own admittence, the FAQ is not RAW
It also only offers to add 5 more for 75, and being as RAW as possible, you could buy more

Being as RAW as possible, you could only add more than the first 5 if it specifically said you could.

It says you can add 5 Marines for 75 points. That doesn't mean you can add as many more as you want at a cost of 75 points for each 5. It means you can add 5 for that cost.

I guess that's where we diverge on what the definition of "is" is. For the sake of not repeating a single argument over nothing more than semantics, I will drop my argument.
If others feel that the issue has merit I encourage you to continue it.

See, you're allowed to add 5 marines for 75 points. Once you've done that you've done it. Do you have permission to do it again?

ChrisCP wrote:See, you're allowed to add 5 marines for 75 points. Once you've done that you've done it. Do you have permission to do it again?

Do I have to ask the codex "mother may I?" first?

And I don't see how this is too terribly broken, marines are bad.

Given it is a permissive ruleset, yes, yes you do.

Dark Eldar Codex, the Drazhar entry states that Drazhar is equipped with an "Ancient Incubi Warsuit". There is no mention as to what an Ancient Incubi Warsuit actually does.