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Many farm houses will probably have at least one shotgun. Though it is likely to be in a locked steel cabinet bolted to the wall (as the law requires) and probably hidden as well.

Depending on how the fight went, and how long after things went apoc, you may also find weapons randomly around cities/etc at locations where people made their "last stand".

FITZZ wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:Personally, I'd prefer one of these "In case of zombies"



Because I have experience swinging one (obviously not at people but I'm familiar with the weight.)

The blade would get dull after a few zombies, is the problem I would have with an Axe.

True, but the weight and wedge shape of the metal ax head would still effectively crush skulls and destroy brain.

Not to mention, you can sharpen a bladed weapon, like that axe, its pretty damn easy, even somethign as simple as grinding a rock on it, you can get some type of edge. Also, chopping people with an axe is WAY different then chopping a tree. I can and have, chopped down a tree on a single sharpening.....a fething TREE! You cannot compare the durability of a tree to a human head, it just cant happen. I bet, if you brainchopped 15 zombies a day for a strait week, then it would get dull, and its still an axe, which is a bladed blunt weapon. Odd combination, but that means, unless you chop that blade down to a nub, itll still perform its duties.


And as always, I agree with FITZZ's weapons of choice. But Id switch out the rifle for a shotgun, more of a personal choice but other then that, a primary, a sidearm and something that doesnt have/need mechanical parts to kill things. Mine would probably be an axe

First off, you don't try and 'clear out' a level 3 Horde. You hole up or run away, and the weapons are for self defence if you get trapped in a corner by a few zombies. They're quieter than a firearm, too, so if you need to kill one or two, you can do it without alerting all the zombies in a five mile radius of your location.

Second, Dragon's Breath? That's even worse than a regular shotgun. First, the ammo is even harder to find than regular shot. Second, now you have a flaming zombie coming at you. Third, it destroys the barrel of the shotgun, so your weapon is now less effective. About the only loadout for a shotgun that would be effective is Deer Slugs.

No, you wouldn't have 210 crossbow bolts, but once again, it's quiet, just a killy, and here's the thing- you can reuse bolts and arrows- and even if they get broken, it's something that most people would actually be able to make, even with the most basic tools (I'm talking rocks and sticks here).

Anvildude wrote:First off, you don't try and 'clear out' a level 3 Horde. You hole up or run away, and the weapons are for self defence if you get trapped in a corner by a few zombies. They're quieter than a firearm, too, so if you need to kill one or two, you can do it without alerting all the zombies in a five mile radius of your location.

Second, Dragon's Breath? That's even worse than a regular shotgun. First, the ammo is even harder to find than regular shot. Second, now you have a flaming zombie coming at you. Third, it destroys the barrel of the shotgun, so your weapon is now less effective. About the only loadout for a shotgun that would be effective is Deer Slugs.

No, you wouldn't have 210 crossbow bolts, but once again, it's quiet, just a killy, and here's the thing- you can reuse bolts and arrows- and even if they get broken, it's something that most people would actually be able to make, even with the most basic tools (I'm talking rocks and sticks here).

Not the dragons breath, if you watch the video it has a variety of specialist ammunition for shotguns that make them more effective in a variety of situations.

There was even an improvised arrow round that is far superior to a crossbow.

http://www.the-ultralight-site.com/wilderness-survival-guide.html

Was just looking at how to fire harden arrows and found this site - it is pretty cool.

I very seriously doubt you can make a crossbow bolt that is worth a crap without a lathe and other good tools. I flat our guarantee you teaching someone how to reload shells is easier than to produce accurate arrows and crossbow bolts. Yes, it relies on having some gear. Having said that, coming up with glue for fletching ain't easy for a city boy who has never done it. Feathers also are not just laying around. The heads are not gonna work good if just made of sharpened stick, and so on.

Reuse bolts and arrows? That makes a lot of assumptions. 1: You have time to get it. 2: It did not shatter/splinter when it hit bone 3: The fletching is still good. 4: What ever goop is on it is not a contagion.

Deer slugs the only effective shotgun load? Seriously? You must not have ever seen what different buckshot loads do.

And again, your Ninja Skilz with your silent weapons are crap when you meet up with the guy with the 12 gauge or semi-auto large capacity magazine fed weapon. He is the real threat.

I'll stick with a good carbine (which I have) a good side arm (which I have) and the Mossberg 500T (which I have). Yes, I actually do have an army issue machette attached to my ruck and almost always have a hatchet too, but those are camp tools and would only ever be used as last ditch defensive weapons. I also have a very good buck knife, a couple multi-tools and a bayonet. Again, they are tools, not offensive weapons.

Firstly, I'm not actually thinking about other people. Yes, I realize they're a threat, but right now I'm more worried about the ravenous undead.

Second, you don't need a precision crafted bolt that'll fly 500 feet and embed itself into a tree. Fire-hardened or stone-tipped bolts/arrows (or bits of metal) would work fine, tied on. Feathers aren't needed, and indeed, often weren't used for crossbows, in favor of leather or even metal. You could use soda-can metal for them.

I do believe that it wouldn't be a bad thing to have guns and ammo, for the first year or so. If it's an outbreak any smaller, that will actually be cleaned up- quarantined, eradicated. But if it's a long-term, end of civilization as we know it situation, you're not going to want to rely on weapons that need factory made parts and supplies, because those will run out. What happens when you can't get smokeless gunpowder anymore? What about when your barrel gets bent by something? When the rifling wears out? Just gonna head on down to the nearest rifle store, grab yourself a new gun? Oops, a year of no maintenance means it's all grimy and rusty.

Unless you live in a manufacturing town, or have a local machineshop run by solar panels, you're going to have issues with anything more high-tek than a flintlock. I'd prefer to have weapons and ammunition that I could repair with the bare minimum of tools, with whatever materials I have on hand, without having to worry about incorrect repairs that might kill me.

How are you going to repair a modern crossbow? Every single thing you mentioned about fireams except the rifling wearing out will apply.

And guess what? I bet there are a LOT more parts laying around for an AR than for any make of crossbow here in the US. So yes, frankly I think I could keep my gun operational a lot longer than you can keep a crossbow operational if the world went to crap tomorrow. You wanna trust your life to a hand made crossbow bolt with a stone tip tied on, well that is your call. I can and will do better.

If you are talking making weapons from scratch, then a good spear with thrower or a sling will be the way to go. Again, I can teach that to almost anyone. Making a bow or more complicated crossbow with the strength to bring down a man/zombie is not a very common skill and cannot be done with a pocket knife and the tree in your back yard.

And you SHOULD be thinking of other people. Because, again, they will be a big threat.

Bows and crossbows will, I think, be a bigger part of life outside America. In the UK they may well be the primary means of long range warfare before too long due to the general lack of firearms, firearm supplies, and knowledge of firearms.

Honestly I hope we never have to test these theories.

me to

Not sure if anyone has posted this before....but this thread seems like a good place for it....




...Really looking forward to this.

Eh, don't worry. the military and CDC have plans for Zombie outbreaks already.

It's actually pretty cool- the Military apparently will give young officers a situation, like Zombie Outbreak, or Alien Invasion, with certain parameters, and basically test them on what to do. If the result is tactically and strategically sound, they'll store the plans as what to actually do in that eventuality.

oh are they bringing back walking dead? Huh. Dad will like that.

Skycrawler wrote:oh are they bringing back walking dead? Huh. Dad will like that.

The first season was just the beginning ...season two starts in October ( the 16th), and as I said, I am really looking forward to it...so far they producers have handled the Comic to screen adaptation very well and I'm looking forward to seeing what season two brings about.

Anvildude wrote:Eh, don't worry. the military and CDC have plans for Zombie outbreaks already.

It's actually pretty cool- the Military apparently will give young officers a situation, like Zombie Outbreak, or Alien Invasion, with certain parameters, and basically test them on what to do. If the result is tactically and strategically sound, they'll store the plans as what to actually do in that eventuality.

WTF are you talking about, I did 8 years in the US military and NEVER heard of this.

Also, for everyone saying "herp guns suck use melee weapons!" I'd like to see how many of you can actually sit there and swing a blunt or edged weapon with enough force to severe or crush bone and organ, then I want to see how many times you can do it before your arm just quits.

They have a place, and are another tool for the tool box, but discounting guns completely if it's a viable option in your area makes no sense, just as completely ignoring melee weapons makes none.

Sckitzo wrote:

Anvildude wrote:Eh, don't worry. the military and CDC have plans for Zombie outbreaks already.

It's actually pretty cool- the Military apparently will give young officers a situation, like Zombie Outbreak, or Alien Invasion, with certain parameters, and basically test them on what to do. If the result is tactically and strategically sound, they'll store the plans as what to actually do in that eventuality.

WTF are you talking about, I did 8 years in the US military and NEVER heard of this.

Also, for everyone saying "herp guns suck use melee weapons!" I'd like to see how many of you can actually sit there and swing a blunt or edged weapon with enough force to severe or crush bone and organ, then I want to see how many times you can do it before your arm just quits.

They have a place, and are another tool for the tool box, but discounting guns completely if it's a viable option in your area makes no sense, just as completely ignoring melee weapons makes none.

Agreed...If given an option ...I'll squeeze a trigger over swinging a machete any day.
Melee weapons have there use of course...taking down a lone zombie when you don't want to make any noise and such...but in an all out offensive/ defensive scenario...I'll be putting brass in the air.

What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

coolyo294 wrote:What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

Any sort of entrapment type I'd imagine. And one you don't need to reset. Your not gonna be able to count on it "killing" anything, but dropping down to the bottom of a big friggin hole could prove useful.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Zombie Survival Guide is a bit overrated? Max Brooks is a decent enough author, but some of the crap he puts in there like "run away to Walmart!!!" and ".22's are the bestest round ever" kinda make my brain hurt, not to mention he was completely off the mark about FAE/Thermobaric weapons.

coolyo294 wrote:What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

...Obviously "Pit traps" wouldn't "kill" them...but it would stall them fairly well ( contained for easy disposale).
Anti-Personal traps...Mines and such wouldn't do a hell of a lot, but explosives ( with flechettes/ball bearings/ etc) set to detonate at head level would be effective.
Some books theorize that " noise traps" ,set to draw zombies over the edge of cliffs and such work pretty well too.

Why not go to an oil rig and stop the drilling proccess and just camp there? because Zombies can't climb. Because Climbing is a skill. same with digging, and most other things. Were talking about a basic being that only knows how to feed, walk/limp, and breathe.

Asherian Command wrote:Why not go to an oil rig and stop the drilling proccess and just camp there? because Zombies can't climb. Because Climbing is a skill. same with digging, and most other things. Were talking about a basic being that only knows how to feed, walk/limp, and breathe.

Living on drilling stations isn't a bad idea...provided you don't have a fire or a hurricane doesn't come along and blow you off your rig...resupplying ...well with desalinizers, green houses and the sea to fish in...food/water is covered..
Mother nature and human feth ups aside...it's not a bad idea at all.

Asherian Command wrote:Why not go to an oil rig and stop the drilling proccess and just camp there? because Zombies can't climb. Because Climbing is a skill. same with digging, and most other things. Were talking about a basic being that only knows how to feed, walk/limp, and breathe.

Hurricanes, lack of food and no real area to grow more, lack of water if your desalt plant goes belly up. Ohh and it's in the middle of the freaking ocean so screw that

Sckitzo wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

Any sort of entrapment type I'd imagine. And one you don't need to reset. Your not gonna be able to count on it "killing" anything, but dropping down to the bottom of a big friggin hole could prove useful.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Zombie Survival Guide is a bit overrated? Max Brooks is a decent enough author, but some of the crap he puts in there like "run away to Walmart!!!" and ".22's are the bestest round ever" kinda make my brain hurt, not to mention he was completely off the mark about FAE/Thermobaric weapons.

I think Brooks had a few "WTF" moments in the books, but still enjoyed them.
I believe he attempted to explain, with some admitedly fudged accuracy why many military weapons were inefective

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

Any sort of entrapment type I'd imagine. And one you don't need to reset. Your not gonna be able to count on it "killing" anything, but dropping down to the bottom of a big friggin hole could prove useful.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Zombie Survival Guide is a bit overrated? Max Brooks is a decent enough author, but some of the crap he puts in there like "run away to Walmart!!!" and ".22's are the bestest round ever" kinda make my brain hurt, not to mention he was completely off the mark about FAE/Thermobaric weapons.

I think Brooks had a few "WTF" moments in the books, but still enjoyed them.
I believe he attempted to explain, with some admitedly fudged accuracy why many military weapons were inefective

I enjoy WWZ, he did a good job with that one, but ZSG just gives me a headache. I was cool with, "Ohh yea, landmines suck, they blow off limbs and what good does that do?" because it makes sense. I think it was the Walmart advice that really bugged me, that and the .22.

Now, a .22 is better than nothing, but just isn't reliable enough IMO.

Sckitzo wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Why not go to an oil rig and stop the drilling proccess and just camp there? because Zombies can't climb. Because Climbing is a skill. same with digging, and most other things. Were talking about a basic being that only knows how to feed, walk/limp, and breathe.

Hurricanes, lack of food and no real area to grow more, lack of water if your desalt plant goes belly up. Ohh and it's in the middle of the freaking ocean so screw that

Oil rigs a plenty big enough to set up green houses and the ocean itself provides a lot of food, plus if you had an " escape boat" of some sort...you might be ok if things went bad..
But yeah...the Hurricanes...that would be a real party pooper.

Sckitzo wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Why not go to an oil rig and stop the drilling proccess and just camp there? because Zombies can't climb. Because Climbing is a skill. same with digging, and most other things. Were talking about a basic being that only knows how to feed, walk/limp, and breathe.

Hurricanes, lack of food and no real area to grow more, lack of water if your desalt plant goes belly up. Ohh and it's in the middle of the freaking ocean so screw that

Dang it !

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:What type of trap would work best against Zombies?

Any sort of entrapment type I'd imagine. And one you don't need to reset. Your not gonna be able to count on it "killing" anything, but dropping down to the bottom of a big friggin hole could prove useful.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Zombie Survival Guide is a bit overrated? Max Brooks is a decent enough author, but some of the crap he puts in there like "run away to Walmart!!!" and ".22's are the bestest round ever" kinda make my brain hurt, not to mention he was completely off the mark about FAE/Thermobaric weapons.

I think Brooks had a few "WTF" moments in the books, but still enjoyed them.
I believe he attempted to explain, with some admitedly fudged accuracy why many military weapons were inefective

I enjoy WWZ, he did a good job with that one, but ZSG just gives me a headache. I was cool with, "Ohh yea, landmines suck, they blow off limbs and what good does that do?" because it makes sense. I think it was the Walmart advice that really bugged me, that and the .22.

Now, a .22 is better than nothing, but just isn't reliable enough IMO.

Agreed, running for Wal-Mart would be one of the single dumbest things one could do in the situation...the sheer number of paniced citizens that would be crowding the store would be more dangerous than the zombies...
As for the .22 advice, meh...I just chalked it up to A. Brooks doesn't know guns...or B. he was refering to .223 and just flubbed it.

Lack of cowbell.

That would be really annoying.

DarkCorsair wrote:Lack of cowbell.

That would be really annoying.

Why would there be a lack of cowbell...BOC's song hasn't gone anywhere in the past 30+ years...and I'm sure even a zombie apocalypse couldn't kill Christopher Walken.