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See, maybe Wal-mart wouldn't be a great idea, but I'd rather go and hole up in a Lowes or other large hardware store. Lots of supplies for fortification, seeds and soil to set up a farm or large garden, materials to make generators (if they don't stock generators themselves) plus plenty of stuff that can be weaponized. The huge shelving units would be great for initial and even long-term avoidance, too.

FITZZ wrote:

DarkCorsair wrote:Lack of cowbell.

That would be really annoying.

Why would there be a lack of cowbell...BOC's song hasn't gone anywhere in the past 30+ years...and I'm sure even a zombie apocalypse couldn't kill Christopher Walken.

Cowbell manufacturing plants would eventually cease to work. Even with so much sheer awesomeness that is the cowbell, you'll run out some time.

FITZZ wrote: Agreed, running for Wal-Mart would be one of the single dumbest things one could do in the situation...the sheer number of paniced citizens that would be crowding the store would be more dangerous than the zombies...
As for the .22 advice, meh...I just chalked it up to A. Brooks doesn't know guns...or B. he was refering to .223 and just flubbed it.

Hmmm...I own the Zombie survival guide and if IIRC then it specifically says "In case of Zombie apocalypse DO NOT go to Walmart..."

I've also got World War Z and the absolute single biggest thing I found annoying about the book was one of its climax points: The Battle of Yonkers

Max Brooks assumes that every Commander the US Military has is a complete idiot, this is evidenced by the fact that during the battle (which was actually just a publicity stunt as for some reason nobody took 8 MILLION ZOMBIES seriously) The commanding officers were cited for gross lack of sense, now, this may not sound far from real life but come on! Using long range artillery only when the enemy is in sight? Using airstrikes only when the situation seems hopeless? Digging foxholes against and enemy that doesn't use firearms? Not giving your troops anything like the sort of ammo they need to win against that many zombies? I can understand the old oxymoron of "Military intelligence" but come on Brooks!

Another thing that irks me is how zombies can survive being at crush depth and frozen multiple times but that's zombie science for you...

/rant

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Another thing that irks me is how zombies can survive being at crush depth and frozen multiple times but that's zombie science for you...

/rant

They may survive being frozen, but then won't survive the crowbar to their frozen heads

Just have to survive until October, boys and girls. After that, General Winter will look after us!

WARORK93 wrote: Hollywood in general assumes that every Commander the US Military has is a complete idiot, this is evidenced by about every movie that comes out[/size]

Fixed that for ya. Brooks, fun to read author that he is, comes from a tainted background. Yep, Daddy made some fantastic movies, but growing up in Hollywood is gonna taint ya.

Jake

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Agreed, running for Wal-Mart would be one of the single dumbest things one could do in the situation...the sheer number of paniced citizens that would be crowding the store would be more dangerous than the zombies...
As for the .22 advice, meh...I just chalked it up to A. Brooks doesn't know guns...or B. he was refering to .223 and just flubbed it.

Hmmm...I own the Zombie survival guide and if IIRC then it specifically says "In case of Zombie apocalypse DO NOT go to Walmart..."

I've also got World War Z and the absolute single biggest thing I found annoying about the book was one of its climax points: The Battle of Yonkers

Max Brooks assumes that every Commander the US Military has is a complete idiot, this is evidenced by the fact that during the battle (which was actually just a publicity stunt as for some reason nobody took 8 MILLION ZOMBIES seriously) The commanding officers were cited for gross lack of sense, now, this may not sound far from real life but come on! Using long range artillery only when the enemy is in sight? Using airstrikes only when the situation seems hopeless? Digging foxholes against and enemy that doesn't use firearms? Not giving your troops anything like the sort of ammo they need to win against that many zombies? I can understand the old oxymoron of "Military intelligence" but come on Brooks!

Another thing that irks me is how zombies can survive being at crush depth and frozen multiple times but that's zombie science for you...

/rant

...You seem a bit steamed Warork...

Yeah, the " battle of Yonkers" did depict the military in a bad light...but that was the point...it was to show that the military was thinking in " conventional" terms while facing an unconventional enemy...
...And of course Brooks is an author writing a fictional work...had to throw in a bit of " Holy hell we're getting our asses kicked"..before humanity makes a " come back"...

@ DarkCorsair...

My Brother is a die hard MSU fan...I can attest to the cowbells ability to endure hardship.

@ Jake...Point taken...

@ Fitzz...I understand that was the point, though in my opinion the "Conventional" thinking of the military was overemphasized majorly, there has to be some sort of middle ground between "Flawless victory" and "Crushing defeat"

I can understand the need for suspense but IMO that could have been done without making the military the butt of the book's joke.

WARORK93 wrote:@ Jake...Point taken...

@ Fitzz...I understand that was the point, though in my opinion the "Conventional" thinking of the military was overemphasized majorly, there has to be some sort of middle ground between "Flawless victory" and "Crushing defeat"

I can understand the need for suspense but IMO that could have been done without making the military the butt of the book's joke.

Again, I believe it was just Brooks way of illustrating how unprepared everyone ( not just the military) was for the zombie plague...and in all honesty, once the military ( and indeed everyone in the book) began to "understand" the sort of enemy they were up against...they made a hell of a "come back".

FITZZ wrote:Again, I believe it was just Brooks way of illustrating how unprepared everyone ( not just the military) was for the zombie plague...and in all honesty, once the military ( and indeed everyone in the book) began to "understand" the sort of enemy they were up against...they made a hell of a "come back".

You do have a point, I did thoroughly enjoy the book, don't get me wrong, and I liked the way that Brooks set up the way humans fought back, especially how the "Battle of Hope" panned out (Maiden FTW)

I'm also happy to report that the book really creeped me out at some points, despite some hiccups, I thought Max Brooks did an excellent Jobs and I'm happy to have bought his book.

Yonkers annoyed me, but I could have seen some of those boneheaded orders being issued, and for literary reasons they had to lose, where is the fun if they won?

I was almost positive I read about the "head to a big box store" think in ZSG, but it's been a few years, I also belong to prep sites and that is a common answer we get from noobies, so I could very well be confusing the two.

The .22 thing still stands though

And your right I forgot farming on the oil rig (if you could get enough soil there) and of course...fishing. I'm a desert rat, so I may be a bit biased about hiding in the middle of the damn ocean.

FITZZ wrote: Some books theorize that " noise traps" ,set to draw zombies over the edge of cliffs and such work pretty well too.

Noise traps can also work well for Triffids... until they start learning...

Regards oil rigs - a potentially good spot, however, they are mapped, and they are going to be the first port of call for many people. They are also pretty easy to spot, so will draw "pirates". Also full of delicate equipment that is just asking to go wrong without you knowing what you are doing. Even the most modern rigs still need maintenance on the structure to prevent corrosion. Also, greenhouses need constant supplies of fresh water, soil, nutrients, etc.

An off shore island with reasonably steep cliffs/under sea reefs/cliffs would probably be your best bet, especially if it is "low profile", so not hugely high. May also have the advantage of people living there/human structures who might take you in.

As long as you're not squeamish or stupid, you basially provide your own nutrients for farming. Modern man, in my opinion, is rather stupid for 'purifying' and dumping sewage, and making alternative fertilizers. Spread that feces on the field a month before you plow it under, and your plants will be fine. That, and cyclical farming, with potatoes and peanuts to re-inrich the soil.

Anvildude wrote:As long as you're not squeamish or stupid, you basially provide your own nutrients for farming. Modern man, in my opinion, is rather stupid for 'purifying' and dumping sewage, and making alternative fertilizers. Spread that feces on the field a month before you plow it under, and your plants will be fine. That, and cyclical farming, with potatoes and peanuts to re-inrich the soil.

The thing is that human waste is not the best for fertiliser because it contains (or is likely to contain) various pathogens, worms, etc.

Far better to use things like the waste parts of fish and so on, as well as the leavings of birds.

Why all the hate on the .22? It can kill someone, Im sure it could do the job on a zombie if shooting them in the head is all that is required. Not to mention they are really accurate weapons, and pretty quite as well. And Ill tell you guys what, if you can put a .22 revolver to your head, pull the trigger and come back to DAKKA and tell me, here is youtube proof of my shooting myself in the head and it bounced off, you KC are an idiot! Then Ill at least keep the .22 as a possible maybe. Now would I chose that over my .357 or shotgun? feth no, but they are cheap and plenty

KingCracker wrote:Why all the hate on the .22? It can kill someone, Im sure it could do the job on a zombie if shooting them in the head is all that is required. Not to mention they are really accurate weapons, and pretty quite as well. And Ill tell you guys what, if you can put a .22 revolver to your head, pull the trigger and come back to DAKKA and tell me, here is youtube proof of my shooting myself in the head and it bounced off, you KC are an idiot! Then Ill at least keep the .22 as a possible maybe. Now would I chose that over my .357 or shotgun? feth no, but they are cheap and plenty

Because, if that .22 isn't point blank, chances are your gonna get a skip or a skim across the bone. A .22 is great for soft tissue damage, but the hydrostatic shock produced from such a little pissant round isn't enough to put my mind at ease. This is .22lr NOT .22mag.

I have 4 .22's, and they have their place. That place being for taking game, training noobies, or as a last resort firearm for self defense. There have been cases of people getting killed from being shot in the head from a .22, but also a ton of people living, their just isn't enough "oomph" behind that round to reliably penetrate the skull. Sure you might get lucky and put it through the eye, or get a direct on shot.

Go shoot some coconuts at various distances, if you still feel it's reliable enough then be my guest. Also, Zombies wouldn't be the only concern, gotta worry about those wanting to take what I have, and no way I'm bringing a .22 to a firefight if I can help it.

But like I said, they got their place, just like melee weapons, but their not some miracle round, there is a reason no military I know of carries a weapon system chambered in that caliber.


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SilverMK2 wrote:

Anvildude wrote:As long as you're not squeamish or stupid, you basially provide your own nutrients for farming. Modern man, in my opinion, is rather stupid for 'purifying' and dumping sewage, and making alternative fertilizers. Spread that feces on the field a month before you plow it under, and your plants will be fine. That, and cyclical farming, with potatoes and peanuts to re-inrich the soil.

The thing is that human waste is not the best for fertiliser because it contains (or is likely to contain) various pathogens, worms, etc.

Far better to use things like the waste parts of fish and so on, as well as the leavings of birds.

Exactly, we covered using nightsoil a few pages back, not the best of ideas, but can be done if it's handled a certain way.

Fish guts aren't bad fertiliser either.

.22 can be fun, and if you have a decent magazine capacity may be good for capping zombies*, but I wouldn't want to depend on it against other humans.

* Assumes a .22 long rifle slug tearing up the brain stops a zombie.

I have one of these: http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=colt-m4-ops



It is a lot of fun, cheap to shoot, and even the youngins can handle it.

Jake

Sorry if this has been metioned before, but if there was to be a zombie outbreak I think FPS Russia would be the first person i'd go to!

Lego397 wrote:Sorry if this has been metioned before, but if there was to be a zombie outbreak I think FPS Russia would be the first person i'd go to!

I love that man.

That man is awesome.

I have a .22 bolt for my AR, not as nice as a dedicated upper, but gets the job done, need to snag a few more mags for it TBH, but it's a nice backup, or if I need to take out stuff like rodents.

Now, to just get my upper suppressed and I'll be good to go


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Also

For those not wanting guns, check out this dudes videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8VrxQq5Ads

That one is of him making a guillotine/slingshot...thing. The dude is crazy with the slingshot type stuff he comes up with.