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easysauce wrote:
GW is treating the BUSINESS in a way i dont like,

but wont really affect me much since I buy from GW or online if Im feeling cheap.

And where do you buy your GW online? From games-workshop.com?

 Alfndrate wrote:

easysauce wrote:
GW is treating the BUSINESS in a way i dont like,

but wont really affect me much since I buy from GW or online if Im feeling cheap.

And where do you buy your GW online? From games-workshop.com?

Yup, I don't think he thought that one through...

 pretre wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
3rd was once every 3 months for dexs with random stuff inbetween, its pretty close, the only difference is the books are double in price, despite being nicer and fleshed out, the content is basically the same.

And fine cast was 2011, alot has gone down in 2 years.

Oh, you did say 2 years. My bad.

The codexes are significantly more than 'fleshed out' from the third edition ones. Compare 3rd Ed Space Marines to 5th Ed Space Marines. HUGE difference. Heck, DA was just a pamphlet compared to the full hardcover dex.

My point is that they are putting out one a month right now, with new model ranges. That's pretty exceptional. They've never done that before.

Last push before the plunge?

If you want to change GW put some money into a kickstarter to BUY GW.
Call it the GW fan trust or whatever.
Any attempts at a united front to a boycott with fail and gw won't notice.


To Petre and Kronk, I agree that this is so much better than it used to be, good codices, good models. high quality kits and crazy quick release dates. I'm impressed with how much they have done in the 9 months of 6th edition.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
If you want to change GW put some money into a kickstarter to BUY GW.
Call it the GW fan trust or whatever.
Any attempts at a united front to a boycott with fail and gw won't notice.

And any attempts at a "GW fan trust" are going to be as pathetically disjointed as the current corporate management.

I cannot think of more than maybe ten people from this forum I would feel comfortable with having any kind of managerial position at a major corporation. I certainly would not want to see a corporation being run by a "collective" that cannot even make up their mind on whether or not a certain rule works as it is written or if there is some kind of "intention" for the rule.

You know people have been throwing around praise for the release schedule for the last page or so I'm just going to pass on a thought my friend shared with me the other day.
If this were a new, permanent release schedule GW would be going on and on and on about how great their new system is. Instead they haven't really remarked upon it (outside of your semi-friendly neighborhood redshirt).
All these releases are usually ready months in advance and just waiting for their release date, so it's not inconceivable the DA, (both) Daemons, WoC and Tau were all just sitting around up until the start of the year.
So why are they all being rushed out now? Well there was that Hobbit thing GW sunk a lot of money into and seemed to be expecting great things from, how'd that turn out again?


His view (which makes more sense the more I think about it) was that GW are just rushing releases that were planned for the next 6 months in order to make up for the Hobbit flopping, the push to direct all internet sales directly through GW would also support the theory they are desperately trying to cover their losses before the next financial report is due.

 jonolikespie wrote:
You know people have been throwing around praise for the release schedule for the last page or so I'm just going to pass on a thought my friend shared with me the other day.
If this were a new, permanent release schedule GW would be going on and on and on about how great their new system is. Instead they haven't really remarked upon it (outside of your semi-friendly neighborhood redshirt).
All these releases are usually ready months in advance and just waiting for their release date, so it's not inconceivable the DA, (both) Daemons, WoC and Tau were all just sitting around up until the start of the year.
So why are they all being rushed out now? Well there was that Hobbit thing GW sunk a lot of money into and seemed to be expecting great things from, how'd that turn out again?


His view (which makes more sense the more I think about it) was that GW are just rushing releases that were planned for the next 6 months in order to make up for the Hobbit flopping, the push to direct all internet sales directly through GW would also support the theory they are desperately trying to cover their losses before the next financial report is due.

Makes sense.

The death of many online retailers, while damaging to GW, is going to be more damaging to the smaller miniature companies that are GWs competition. GW may take a small hit but in return could cause some of their competition, albeit small in comparison to GW itself, to fold.

Just a conspiracy theory I have.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/03/gws-new-terms-to-sellers-really-attack.html

 pretre wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 5deadly wrote:

On topic… guys… stop buying GW… Boycott the Tau, don’t buy for 2 months… stocks drop.

Why? I'm getting practically a codex a month, I have FW HH books and models, 6th Edition is much better than 5th edition for my gaming group, and I really enjoy the Chaos Space Marines and Daemons Codex.

Why should I do anything? I'm HAPPY with my hobby.

I think this is the part that a lot of people don't get. There are quite a few people out there (more than likely the majority of GW's base) who are seeing this as a golden age for new books, models, etc. Even with price hikes, etc so on, folks with plenty of disposable income don't care.

For me a "Golden Age" is supposed to be more about quality than quantity.

The new rulebooks are just as badly balanced as ever, maybe even more so since GW as decided to drop any pretence that they make rules with any other purpose than to push the newest models in detriment of everything else.

The non-rules part of the codices are even worse, with all the newest fiction reading like badly written pieces of fanfic!

And the models have become worse and worse with each release! Baring some small exceptions, the newest crop of GW sculpts are just over-busy, soulless pieces of crap filled with needless "detail", that look like they have been pulled out of a toys are us shelf. Its like they are a parody of themselves...

If this makes me happy in a way because the state of the GW games is translated by the increasing number of players that are ditching them for games that I actually play currently, a small part of me cries every time I look at my Dark Elves and Imperial Guard armies, the ones that originally brought me into the hobby and the sole survivors of the 6+ armies that I had a few short years ago...

 jonolikespie wrote:
You know people have been throwing around praise for the release schedule for the last page or so I'm just going to pass on a thought my friend shared with me the other day.
If this were a new, permanent release schedule GW would be going on and on and on about how great their new system is. Instead they haven't really remarked upon it (outside of your semi-friendly neighborhood redshirt).
All these releases are usually ready months in advance and just waiting for their release date, so it's not inconceivable the DA, (both) Daemons, WoC and Tau were all just sitting around up until the start of the year.
So why are they all being rushed out now? Well there was that Hobbit thing GW sunk a lot of money into and seemed to be expecting great things from, how'd that turn out again?


His view (which makes more sense the more I think about it) was that GW are just rushing releases that were planned for the next 6 months in order to make up for the Hobbit flopping, the push to direct all internet sales directly through GW would also support the theory they are desperately trying to cover their losses before the next financial report is due.

I was considering pretty much the same thing. Except that I've heard that 6th edition and a couple armies including Tau and Eldar have been ready since early last year. With the rumor that Kirby jumps ship in a year it would make sense that they held back releases, just to get a huge number of releases this year and try to make profits as high possible before he sells his stock.

Or it could be just the logical conclusion of "Hey, we have a bunch of stuff in the warehouse we could be selling. Why not make money now?

 OverwatchCNC wrote:


The death of many online retailers, while damaging to GW, is going to be more damaging to the smaller miniature companies that are GWs competition. GW may take a small hit but in return could cause some of their competition, albeit small in comparison to GW itself, to fold.

Just a conspiracy theory I have.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/03/gws-new-terms-to-sellers-really-attack.html

Hell, if that is their goal and it really does play out that way, then they are shrewd business people. If you can do something to rock the market and drive competing products out of business to rebuild the aftermath in your own image... then why not?

It is an interesting idea, especially if they have multiple armies and mini lines to launch... Starve the market for a little bit, get everyone hurting then release Products consumers are dying for and they will instantly abandon their personal boycotts and throw money hand over fist for the new toys.

nkelsch wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:


The death of many online retailers, while damaging to GW, is going to be more damaging to the smaller miniature companies that are GWs competition. GW may take a small hit but in return could cause some of their competition, albeit small in comparison to GW itself, to fold.

Just a conspiracy theory I have.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/03/gws-new-terms-to-sellers-really-attack.html

Hell, if that is their goal and it really does play out that way, then they are shrewd business people. If you can do something to rock the market and drive competing products out of business to rebuild the aftermath in your own image... then why not?

It is an interesting idea, especially if they have multiple armies and mini lines to launch... Starve the market for a little bit, get everyone hurting then release Products consumers are dying for and they will instantly abandon their personal boycotts and throw money hand over fist for the new toys.

Our opinions are aligning more lately. Not sure how I feel about that...

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 Bildsturmer wrote:
Support your local 3rd party producers and bootleggers.

Advocating illegal activities doesn't help anyone, regardless of what GW does.

 pretre wrote:

 Bildsturmer wrote:
Support your local 3rd party producers and bootleggers.

Advocating illegal activities doesn't help anyone, regardless of what GW does.

As expensive as FW and Puppets War are, I really don't like it that the Russians and Chinese are recasting their stuff. Smaller shops just don't have the profit margin to have their stuff ripped off like that - even Forge World which isn't really that small of an operation any more.

Now if they were to recast GW plastic/finecast stuff, then I'd have nothing to say. I don't feel it is any more valid for them to do it to GW than FW/PW, mind you, just that I don't feel a burning need to ride on my high horse while waving the GW corporate banner.

PhantomViper wrote:


For me a "Golden Age" is supposed to be more about quality than quantity.

The new rulebooks are just as badly balanced as ever, maybe even more so since GW as decided to drop any pretence that they make rules with any other purpose than to push the newest models in detriment of everything else.

The non-rules part of the codices are even worse, with all the newest fiction reading like badly written pieces of fanfic!

And the models have become worse and worse with each release! Baring some small exceptions, the newest crop of GW sculpts are just over-busy, soulless pieces of crap filled with needless "detail", that look like they have been pulled out of a toys are us shelf. Its like they are a parody of themselves...

None of what you said is remotely true, but great points otherwise.

 jonolikespie wrote:
You know people have been throwing around praise for the release schedule for the last page or so I'm just going to pass on a thought my friend shared with me the other day.
If this were a new, permanent release schedule GW would be going on and on and on about how great their new system is. Instead they haven't really remarked upon it (outside of your semi-friendly neighborhood redshirt).
All these releases are usually ready months in advance and just waiting for their release date, so it's not inconceivable the DA, (both) Daemons, WoC and Tau were all just sitting around up until the start of the year.
So why are they all being rushed out now? Well there was that Hobbit thing GW sunk a lot of money into and seemed to be expecting great things from, how'd that turn out again?


His view (which makes more sense the more I think about it) was that GW are just rushing releases that were planned for the next 6 months in order to make up for the Hobbit flopping, the push to direct all internet sales directly through GW would also support the theory they are desperately trying to cover their losses before the next financial report is due.

Quite right and inline with other information as well (the flurry of video games licenses).

For those who think it is great, have you considered what is next then? GW keeps their sales figures normalized through the release of Codices and Armybooks. Should they maintain the same rate of production (every month or two) they will run out of books to update long before they are ready to move to 7th Edition 40K on their historical release cycle. They will then need to throw a wrench into things in order to continuing driving sales...granted at that time I would assume the current management will have punched out and it will be someone else's problem (as noted by more and more frequent references to retirement obligations for core staff members in financial reports).

For a company like GW to be pushing releases this hard generally is indicative of troubled waters in the background - and given their first half year numbers in relation to how much new there was under that 6 month period...I would imagine that they are feeling the pinch of their own pricing policies that is running them out of their core demographic.


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nkelsch wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:


The death of many online retailers, while damaging to GW, is going to be more damaging to the smaller miniature companies that are GWs competition. GW may take a small hit but in return could cause some of their competition, albeit small in comparison to GW itself, to fold.

Just a conspiracy theory I have.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/03/gws-new-terms-to-sellers-really-attack.html

Hell, if that is their goal and it really does play out that way, then they are shrewd business people. If you can do something to rock the market and drive competing products out of business to rebuild the aftermath in your own image... then why not?

It is an interesting idea, especially if they have multiple armies and mini lines to launch... Starve the market for a little bit, get everyone hurting then release Products consumers are dying for and they will instantly abandon their personal boycotts and throw money hand over fist for the new toys.

Because that is actually criminally illegal in most countries (including the US, Canada, UK and Germany). CEOs have actually gone to jail for those sorts of business tactics - not to mention huge fines and restitution which is paid out to affected parties.

Anti-trust laws are not just in place to prevent monopolies. Most of the time they are applied to unfair market practices by dominant suppliers. The current terms could be legal as they are written - but depending on how certain things are actually implemented, it can invalidate the contract (at which point a mediator can force new terms on GW that they have to supply companies under) or it can become criminal activity (conspiracies and all the rest).

Honestly though, GW is too fat in order to attempt anything like that. Upwards of 95% of their costs are tied directly to things like personal and facilities. Manufacturing is a tiny fraction of it. If they were to try to actually starve a market, it would starve them faster as they do not have the capital on hand (keep paying out the dividends and no rainy day fund) in order to survive a dry spell. If they drop, their stock price plummets and it risks collapsing the company under its own weight.

 pretre wrote:
That's pretty disingenuous. They haven't 'kept up with their release schedule' in the last year; they have shattered it. Take an honest look at the number of army books released in the last year (and models to go with them) and then find another time when we have received anything like this much attention for one or more systems. The closest is the launch of third edition and those books/launches had far fewer models/pages in them than we are getting now.

Then compare that release schedule to the previous year... It's easy to churn out releases when you sit on them and let them pile up for a year. Whether they can keep it up remains to be seen.

And the errata required for the DA book suggests that they can't.... not and keep any acceptable quality standard.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
For those who think it is great, have you considered what is next then? GW keeps their sales figures normalized through the release of Codices and Armybooks. Should they maintain the same rate of production (every month or two) they will run out of books to update long before they are ready to move to 7th Edition 40K on their historical release cycle. They will then need to throw a wrench into things in order to continuing driving sales...granted at that time I would assume the current management will have punched out and it will be someone else's problem (as noted by more and more frequent references to retirement obligations for core staff members in financial reports).

Let's postulate a future release schedule to see how things would work out:

Tau - April 2013
Dwarves - May 2013
Allies (40k)- June 2013
WE - July 2013
Eldar - August 2013
Brets - Sept 2013
BT - Oct 2013
HElves - Nov 2013
Orks - Dec 2013
DElves - Jan 2014
SOB - Feb 2014
Liz - March 2014
SM - April 2014
Skaven - May 2014
IG - June 2014
9th edition Fantasy - July 2014
SW - August 2014
Beastmen - Sept 2014
Tyranids - Oct 2014
O&G - Nov 2014
BA - Dec 2014
TK - Jan 2015
DE - Feb 2015
OK - Mar 2015
GK - Apr 2015
VC - May 2015
Necrons - June 2015
Empire - July 2015
(All 5th edition 40k updated with 1 year to spare, since 7th edition 40k is released in 2016)

So assuming a one a month schedule, they could go to the middle of 2015 before finishing 40k to have all books updated to 6th. That would still leave a number of 8th edition Fantasy books to update and assumes no skipped months or other products. I think it is very doable but concede that they would run out of books this way.


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 insaniak wrote:
Then compare that release schedule to the previous year... It's easy to churn out releases when you sit on them and let them pile up for a year. Whether they can keep it up remains to be seen.

Agreed. I don't really think they could keep it up for any great length of time. I think a more realistic assumption is one book per system every 3-4 months with each book getting a 'welcome to the new edition' update when the new edition comes out.

And the errata required for the DA book suggests that they can't.... not and keep any acceptable quality standard.

They've always had a ton of errata/issues with books, I didn't think DA was any different.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

easysauce wrote:
GW is treating the BUSINESS in a way i dont like,

but wont really affect me much since I buy from GW or online if Im feeling cheap.

And where do you buy your GW online? From games-workshop.com?

Yup, I don't think he thought that one through...

ebay wont be affected by the new rules at all, thats the cheapest place I find for mini's

other online non gw sources save me 10-20% off box price, and then charge 10-20% shipping...

so its about the same price as i get from gw online when gw does free shipping.

worst case scenario I have to pay 30$ for something that used to cost 25$, or even 20$...

so what?

I used to be able to buy a hambuger, fries, and a coke for under 4$... now its almost 10$.... everything goes up in price

ive just gotten used to it over 14 years of 40k


also the whole "GW will run out off books thing"


really?

its a BAD thing to have all the codexs up to date for once in the hobby?

sounds like paradise to me.

easysauce wrote:

ebay wont be affected by the new rules at all, thats the cheapest place I find for mini's

That's not what we're talking about in this thread, and even a cursory glance would show you that.

other online non gw sources save me 10-20% off box price, and then charge 10-20% shipping...

so its about the same price as i get from gw online when gw does free shipping.

What online non-gw sources? Please be specific.

nkelsch wrote:

steve2112 wrote:
I think if my FLGS could only order 500 per month of special order stuff he would be at a loss. Almost everything i want now is special order. I have all the core units i will every need but my special characters are direct order stuff. Times that by 10 and he reaches his limit.

The thing that gets me the most is that i cannot go into my local store and get most of the things for my army because of special ordering and stuff like that. He can't even stock it. I understand if GW is low on inventory , or if they are switching materials and need to coordinate stuff. If i owned a FLGS and my meta was say very Space Marine and Eldar you bet I would want ever model there for impulse sales and such.

This is the core point I feel everyone is missing. The same non-customer outrage brigade is flaring up anger again, but the main issue is not that GW is drinking the tears of Internet dealers, Exporters and Bitz sellers. It is that they claim to want to drive sales to FLGS to support them and now like steve2112 said... GW makes new releases WE want, and we cannot go to our FLGS and buy them or even patiently order them. I have no problem waiting a month for a release if the place where I play with that gaming system can get the business. That is the only thing I would hope GW reconsiders... but I suspect GW feels if the exporters and Internet discounters dry up, then they will find FLGS who were doing those sales won't have the need for 500$+ of direct sales. This is the issue which needs changing. I am not worried about Bitz sellers losing profit margin or exporters, only FLGS inability to sell product in person.

You should also consider that it has a greater impact than just that. I first started playing 40K with some friends of my brother who were stationed at KI Sawyer in Michigan. The nearest town was almost an hour drive away - and it only had a comic book store. The nearest game store was actually almost a 2 1/2 hour drive. There are actually a lot of locations like that in the US, and a lot of the people in those locations enjoy hobbies like miniature gaming. A lack of online retailers spells the death to them.

Or, consider again military members in locations like Guam, Diego Garcia or the Azores. I know when I went through bases there, there were no game stores at all. The export embargo would cut them off.

Just because something doesn't impact you doesn't mean it isn't of importance or even consideration. If the practices stifle your local store (limiting the new releases, limiting direct sales volumes, preventing online sales), you may end up seeing your own local store turn off the lights for the last time as well.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
You know people have been throwing around praise for the release schedule for the last page or so I'm just going to pass on a thought my friend shared with me the other day.
If this were a new, permanent release schedule GW would be going on and on and on about how great their new system is. Instead they haven't really remarked upon it (outside of your semi-friendly neighborhood redshirt).
All these releases are usually ready months in advance and just waiting for their release date, so it's not inconceivable the DA, (both) Daemons, WoC and Tau were all just sitting around up until the start of the year.
So why are they all being rushed out now? Well there was that Hobbit thing GW sunk a lot of money into and seemed to be expecting great things from, how'd that turn out again?


His view (which makes more sense the more I think about it) was that GW are just rushing releases that were planned for the next 6 months in order to make up for the Hobbit flopping, the push to direct all internet sales directly through GW would also support the theory they are desperately trying to cover their losses before the next financial report is due.

Quite right and inline with other information as well (the flurry of video games licenses).

For those who think it is great, have you considered what is next then? GW keeps their sales figures normalized through the release of Codices and Armybooks. Should they maintain the same rate of production (every month or two) they will run out of books to update long before they are ready to move to 7th Edition 40K on their historical release cycle. They will then need to throw a wrench into things in order to continuing driving sales...granted at that time I would assume the current management will have punched out and it will be someone else's problem (as noted by more and more frequent references to retirement obligations for core staff members in financial reports).

For a company like GW to be pushing releases this hard generally is indicative of troubled waters in the background - and given their first half year numbers in relation to how much new there was under that 6 month period...I would imagine that they are feeling the pinch of their own pricing policies that is running them out of their core demographic.


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nkelsch wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:


The death of many online retailers, while damaging to GW, is going to be more damaging to the smaller miniature companies that are GWs competition. GW may take a small hit but in return could cause some of their competition, albeit small in comparison to GW itself, to fold.

Just a conspiracy theory I have.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/03/gws-new-terms-to-sellers-really-attack.html

Hell, if that is their goal and it really does play out that way, then they are shrewd business people. If you can do something to rock the market and drive competing products out of business to rebuild the aftermath in your own image... then why not?

It is an interesting idea, especially if they have multiple armies and mini lines to launch... Starve the market for a little bit, get everyone hurting then release Products consumers are dying for and they will instantly abandon their personal boycotts and throw money hand over fist for the new toys.

Because that is actually criminally illegal in most countries (including the US, Canada, UK and Germany). CEOs have actually gone to jail for those sorts of business tactics - not to mention huge fines and restitution which is paid out to affected parties.

Anti-trust laws are not just in place to prevent monopolies. Most of the time they are applied to unfair market practices by dominant suppliers. The current terms could be legal as they are written - but depending on how certain things are actually implemented, it can invalidate the contract (at which point a mediator can force new terms on GW that they have to supply companies under) or it can become criminal activity (conspiracies and all the rest).

Honestly though, GW is too fat in order to attempt anything like that. Upwards of 95% of their costs are tied directly to things like personal and facilities. Manufacturing is a tiny fraction of it. If they were to try to actually starve a market, it would starve them faster as they do not have the capital on hand (keep paying out the dividends and no rainy day fund) in order to survive a dry spell. If they drop, their stock price plummets and it risks collapsing the company under its own weight.

Because CEOs are so in danger of going to jail, we should really ask the CEOs of Mortgage Companies and Big Banks in the US responsible for the economic collapse of 2008 how their time in jail is going. Oh wait.

 Alfndrate wrote:

easysauce wrote:

ebay wont be affected by the new rules at all, thats the cheapest place I find for mini's

That's not what we're talking about in this thread, and even a cursory glance would show you that.

other online non gw sources save me 10-20% off box price, and then charge 10-20% shipping...

so its about the same price as i get from gw online when gw does free shipping.

What online non-gw sources? Please be specific.

Well, actually eBay would be cut off for new products. If you are talking about second hand and used armies - then no...eBay will no doubt continue to be a steady stream as people quit GW.

Not sure on the shipping blah stuff... The majority of sources I have seen have free shipping at the same threshold GW do (so you get the free shipping plus a discount). Others use flat rates that would put a 10% discount on something like a Land Raider into the cost savings category...but they don't offer a 10% discount, they offer a 20-25% discount (so again...still better deal).

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 Bildsturmer wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Bildsturmer wrote:
Support your local 3rd party producers and bootleggers.

Advocating illegal activities doesn't help anyone, regardless of what GW does.

If I own a model which I legally purchased, should I not be able to do what I wish with it?

In most western countries recasting, even for personal use, is illegal.

It's also not the topic of this thread. There have been plenty of discussions on this in the past, if you're interested in the whys and wherefores of it.


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Suggesting that recasting will spread as a result of this decision is one thing. Actively encouraging it is quite another.

Dakka does not, and can not, endorse copyright infringement.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Because CEOs are so in danger of going to jail, we should really ask the CEOs of Mortgage Companies and Big Banks in the US responsible for the economic collapse of 2008 how their time in jail is going. Oh wait.

Don't be disingenuous. Corporations are like hardcore tournament players - they follow the rules exactly as written (and not the intent), playing WAAC, exploiting every loophole. Of course all these laws are written by your friendly neighborhood corrupt congressmen who puts in those loopholes for every campaign contribution that corporation makes to them.

 judgedoug wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Because CEOs are so in danger of going to jail, we should really ask the CEOs of Mortgage Companies and Big Banks in the US responsible for the economic collapse of 2008 how their time in jail is going. Oh wait.

Don't be disingenuous. Corporations are like hardcore tournament players - they follow the rules exactly as written (and not the intent), playing WAAC, exploiting every loophole. Of course all these laws are written by your friendly neighborhood corrupt congressmen who puts in those loopholes for every campaign contribution that corporation makes to them.

Wow. That's a two-fer.

Try to keep the jabs at WAAC out of the thread, you'll just be mixing your metaphors and pissing off multiple groups of folks.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Not sure on the shipping blah stuff... The majority of sources I have seen have free shipping at the same threshold GW do (so you get the free shipping plus a discount). Others use flat rates that would put a 10% discount on something like a Land Raider into the cost savings category...but they don't offer a 10% discount, they offer a 20-25% discount (so again...still better deal).

For instance, Miniature Market with 25% off GW and free shipping over $99.

Should have been more specific on the free shipping thing,

GW ships free to their stores on all orders,

they ship free to you on orders above 100$ i think,

so when I order less then 100$ at a time, which is the majority, i save the shipping still.

that being said,

I understand some people are not in the position to saunter over to the local GW...

but a box going from 35$ to 38$ or 40$ isnt the end of the world... at least for those of us who are used to the price of EVERYTHING going up over time

if you are used to prices doing down on everything...

please tell me how I can join you in your consumer paradise

as for Ebay , it wont be affected,

there is no difference between a "new" mini in plastic in box, and a "used" mini in plastic in box,

GW wont be able to destroy the ebay "new-used goods" market at all,


Im not saying its not unpleasant to have to pay 20$ tommorow when you paid 15$ today,

Im just saying thats how everything goes, its not some GW centric evil,

if it makes you feel better, The average cost of a gallon of regular gas in the year of 1999 was $1.17. A dozen eggs at that time would run someone $1.08. A gallon of milk averaged out at $3.32.

easysauce wrote:
Should have been more specific on the free shipping thing,

GW ships free to their stores on all orders,

they ship free to you on orders above 100$ i think,

so when I order less then 100$ at a time, which is the majority, i save the shipping still.

that being said,

I understand some people are not in the position to saunter over to the local GW...

but a box going from 35$ to 38$ or 40$ isnt the end of the world... at least for those of us who are used to the price of EVERYTHING going up over time

if you are used to prices doing down on everything...

please tell me how I can join you in your consumer paradise

as for Ebay , it wont be affected,

there is no difference between a "new" mini in plastic in box, and a "used" mini in plastic in box,

GW wont be able to destroy the ebay "new-used goods" market at all,


Im not saying its not unpleasant to have to pay 20$ tommorow when you paid 15$ today,

Im just saying thats how everything goes, its not some GW centric evil,

if it makes you feel better, The average cost of a gallon of regular gas in the year of 1999 was $1.17. A dozen eggs at that time would run someone $1.08. A gallon of milk averaged out at $3.32.

You still haven't told us what online store you're buying from, and GW's free shipping is 50 USD or more.