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2016/05/11 18:53:52
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
Atlanta (CNN)Get ready, America, for a summer full of long security lines at major airports, missed flight connections and millions of grumpy passengers.
That's the warning from authorities at the nation's most congested and busiest airports and the Transportation Security Administration.
Airports are starting to take matters into their own hands.
In an unusual, strongly worded letter to the TSA, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey -- which oversees the New York City area's three major airports -- has essentially threatened to fire the TSA by privatizing their passenger screening process.
The letter mentioned the "inadequacy of TSA passenger screening," fears of widespread "customer dissatisfaction" and described wait times as "abysmal."
From mid-March to mid-April, there were hundreds of times that passenger waits lasted more than 20 minutes -- and sometimes more than 55 minutes, the letter said.
"The patience of the flying public has reached a breaking point," said the letter from Port Authority Aviation Department Director Thomas Bosco and Chief Security Officer Thomas Belfiore.
The airspace surrounding New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, LaGuardia Airport and New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport ranks among the most congested in the nation. About 126 million passengers passed through those airports last year.
Read the Port Authority letter
Airports in other cities, including Seattle, Charlotte, North Carolina, and Atlanta have expressed similar frustration with the TSA.
Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport -- which handled more than 100 million travelers last year -- sent a similar letter to the TSA threatening to privatize passenger security lines.
It's partnering with Delta Air Lines and the TSA to figure out a better passenger screening procedure.
They're calling these experimental lines Innovation Lines -- or I-Lines.
Two I-Lines are expected to debut at Atlanta's south domestic terminal checkpoint on May 24, the TSA said. Here's how they'll be different:
Baggage bins automatically move to a separate conveyor belt if a TSA agent IDs them as suspicious.
Baggage bins automatically recirculate after they move through the security machine.
The I-Line includes special "divestiture" areas where passengers can take off shoes, belts, etc. at their own pace.
The TSA has been talking about these ideas for years, said Chad Wolf, a former TSA assistant administrator.
"All of these things will save time," he said. "We just don't know how much time."
The biggest time saver, Wolf said, likely will be re-routing suspicious bags.
"Re-routing bags to a different conveyor is a big deal," he said. "Once that belt stops, the whole line stops."
The X-ray machine that screens passenger bags is a "big time suck," Wolf said.
The decision that goes into stopping the belt and flagging a bag for extra scrutiny takes time and holds up the line.
The new equipment is similar to systems employed at London's Heathrow and Amsterdam's Schiphol, the TSA said.
The I-Lines will operate side-by-side with two regular lanes. Officials will gather data to compare and analyze the two systems.
The results will help the TSA create a pilot program that could be replicated at other airports.
Related story: Expect epic lines at the airport this summer
The TSA has already warned that staffing issues might create long waits at the nation's big airports during the upcoming summer travel season.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh C. Johnson said he has called on Congress to approve more money to pay overtime for TSA officers working at airports across the nation this summer.
So far, that hasn't happened.
Factors like relatively lower fuel prices and fares are likely to drive passenger traffic higher this summer.
As for the carriers, American Airlines has blamed missed flights by thousands of its passengers on the TSA checkpoints.
The airline lobbying group Airlines for America has kicked off an aggressive social media campaign asking people to share photos of long security lines and post them with the hashtag: #iHatetheWait.
Related story: Stuck in line? Take a picture
But what happens after passengers pass through the metal detectors and put their shoes back on and get on the planes and settle into their seats?
Apparently, a lot of us are able to put that unpleasantness behind us, according to a recent survey.
That's what we can surmise from the 2016 J.D. Power and Associates North America Airline Satisfaction Study, released Wednesday.
Satisfaction with North American airlines rose for a fourth straight year, measuring at a record high 726 points on a scale of 1,000.
On the other hand, airline customer complaints are at their worst level in 15 years, according to the 26th annual national Airline Quality Rating report, which was released in April. From 2014 to 2015, complaints rose by 38%.
I travel a lot for work, so I find this story interesting and rather close to home. And I can see it happening given how slow and ineffective at security TSA has become. Though I can't help but wonder what a privatized system would look like.
I go through Seattle for all my travel, and there are days where it is an utter nightmare and some where it is not bad at all. I'd be more than happy with an upgrade as well.
There really isn't a good reason for the TSA to exist. They routinely fail to perform their core functionality - detecting dangerous weapons from being snuck on a plane - in incredibly high numbers every single practice run, ever. I don't believe there's been a single documented case of them foiling a terror plot.
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2016/05/11 19:06:46
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
Not to mention the TSA does a gak job anyway. My roommate accidentally flew for half a year with a live bullet in his bag (he forgot it was there, carry-on), I flew with an exacto knife and a full bottle of tooth paste. Yet other times I'd get screened because I had an Alkaline Trio shirt on (for those not familiar, the shirts are usually black with a heart and skull design). And the screenings happened every time I wore the shirts, so after 3-4 times, I stopped bringing them.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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2016/05/11 19:08:31
Subject: Re:La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
I travel to Richmond from the Philly Suburbs once a month or so. They offer to fly us (the airport is 15 minutes from the campus down there). I've chosen the 6 hour drive every time due to my mom's horror stories about the TSA. Glad to see there might be change.
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2016/05/11 19:09:48
Subject: Re:La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
Ouze wrote: There really isn't a good reason for the TSA to exist. They routinely fail to perform their core functionality - detecting dangerous weapons from being snuck on a plane - in incredibly high numbers every single practice run, ever. I don't believe there's been a single documented case of them foiling a terror plot.
If it was something that would show up unambiguously on an X-ray, like a loaded pistol or a hand grenade, I bet at least 7 still would make it onboard. We tolerate an unbelievable, unprecedented level of mediocrity on the taxpayer dime with these clowns.
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2016/05/11 19:11:39
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
The TSA is pretty much there just to provide a presence deterrence. Beyond that, they're largely worthless.
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2016/05/11 19:13:44
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
Vaktathi wrote: The TSA is pretty much there just to provide a presence deterrence.
Sure, and that's a function that can be done by private security at the airlines expense, where the cost can be passed on to the people actually flying.
Anyway, I'll stop ranting now
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2016/05/11 19:19:46
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
timetowaste85 wrote: Not to mention the TSA does a gak job anyway. My roommate accidentally flew for half a year with a live bullet in his bag (he forgot it was there, carry-on), I flew with an exacto knife and a full bottle of tooth paste. Yet other times I'd get screened because I had an Alkaline Trio shirt on (for those not familiar, the shirts are usually black with a heart and skull design). And the screenings happened every time I wore the shirts, so after 3-4 times, I stopped bringing them.
Thanks for the heads up. I own a black and white letterman Alkaline Trio jacket and I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped me.
Vaktathi wrote: The TSA is pretty much there just to provide a presence deterrence.
Sure, and that's a function that can be done by private security at the airlines expense, where the cost can be passed on to the people actually flying.
Anyway, I'll stop ranting now
I wouldnt disagree with that
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2016/05/11 21:23:28
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
kronk wrote: I travel out of O'Hare weekly, and typically travel from either Houston, Pittsburgh, or Philly for my projects.
ANYTHING that makes O'Hare and Houston TSA less of a gak-hole is A-OK in my book.
I travel through O'Hare a few times a year. The only thing that makes it tolerable is the "Priority" tag on my Virgin America tickets - the first class lines are SO much shorter it's not even funny.
Edit: Although, if you're traveling that often, why not jump through the hoops for the Pre check program?
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2016/05/11 21:24:20
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
d-usa wrote: I thought there was a process for airports to opt out of the TSA if they can show they have the same screening standards?
Huh? Screening standards as in screening their own personnel or the passengers? Both can be met by handing out badges to anyone who walks in from the street and telling him to stand behind a desk looking important.
2016/05/12 03:31:34
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
d-usa wrote: I thought there was a process for airports to opt out of the TSA if they can show they have the same screening standards?
So, a chain-link fence with the door code written on a sign next to the keypad, like the local small airport? Or do they need to include a fake owl like one of the other nearby airports?
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2016/05/12 03:37:53
Subject: Re:La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
d-usa wrote: I thought there was a process for airports to opt out of the TSA if they can show they have the same screening standards?
Huh? Screening standards as in screening their own personnel or the passengers? Both can be met by handing out badges to anyone who walks in from the street and telling him to stand behind a desk looking important.
Setting your standards too high, they need to be able to stand behind the desk but you're asking too much for them to look important doing so. They're not politicians.
kronk wrote: I travel out of O'Hare weekly, and typically travel from either Houston, Pittsburgh, or Philly for my projects.
ANYTHING that makes O'Hare and Houston TSA less of a gak-hole is A-OK in my book.
Kronk- I know you are also a "Efficiency and Quality" guy for work. Nothing drives me crazier than airports. Aviation is one of the most tightly controlled and efficient processes in the world in order to avoid catastrophic failure, yet somehow the people management side of airports do not adopt any of the best practices from the larger Aviation industry. It is just mind-boggling to me.
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2016/05/19 13:10:55
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
When I see 3 body scanners not being used and a mile long line at the same time every day, it just solidifies that the TSA has the "Cares more about costs than customers" management. Also, this systems needs a team of LSS Black Belts.
And by association, so does United Airlines, which essentially owns Terminal 1 and half of Terminal 2 at O'Hare. If they actually cared about the customers, they would do something about the TSA there.
Having Frequent Filer status with United helps, as I get to go through the Premier lines, which are much faster. However, if I were just a regular Joe Shmoe, I'd be out of my mind waiting in those damn lines.
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2016/05/19 13:11:23
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
The TSA baffles me. It shouldn't even be a thing. Why can't the feds just set security requirements for airports and leave it up to them to comply? Oh, they can, but it wouldn't create a whole unnecessary agency.
They are not law enforcement, they are security. We don't have an agency that provides nuclear plant security guards or security for bus stations, and nobody seems terribly upset about that....
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2016/05/19 13:42:45
Subject: Re:La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
United is like Sherman's revenge on Texas. They took the clients of a decent airline and just ed them royally. About 90% of the flights I take with them are bad. I will go out of my way to drive down to Hobby and take Southwest. Its just so much better.
one method of getting through security better there is going through Terminal B security. But yes I find Hobby's security line much much better. IAH, they just act hostile, although not as hostile as Philadelphia. The way one was shouting when I went there, he would have been decked by the end of the day in Texas by somebody.
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2016/05/19 13:50:29
Subject: La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA
If only there was a SouthWest hub close to me, I would use them.
O'Hare doesn't fly SouthWest. Midway flies SouthWest, but that's a 2 hour drive. Milwaulkee does fly SouthWest, but nearly every flight I would want takes me to Midway, which adds about 2 hours to every trip. None of that helps me get where I want to go as fast as United from O'Hare.
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2016/05/19 15:22:15
Subject: Re:La Guardia and other major airports threaten to 'fire' TSA