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The lack of ranged weapon doesn't bother me too much as I want to get to CC as soon as possible and I'm quite happy with the number of attacks he has.
I will, however, be swapping his head.
Ed
“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn
As far as the Tribune goes, I plan on sticking him in with my Phalanx Warders, especially in Zone Mortalis games he seems like he would just clean up. He does model wise look like a good legion champion, though I can't remember if they can wear termie armor (not near my book atm)
PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
Tamwulf wrote: Do you have a pic or link to the model in question, or just want to discuss his rules?
This is the model I am talking about (post head-swap). I want to know other people's views on the model itself and the rules which came with it.
Ed
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Chapter Master Angelos wrote: As far as the Tribune goes, I plan on sticking him in with my Phalanx Warders, especially in Zone Mortalis games he seems like he would just clean up. He does model wise look like a good legion champion, though I can't remember if they can wear termie armor (not near my book atm)
I can't see anything that says he can't wear terminator armour (unlike the master of signal which states that he can't).
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“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn
Ah, thanks for the pic. So he was a limited edition, special model from Forge World that included his own rules. Cool... I guess if you can get one. This is the first I've heard of him. Not a big deal. Found his rules online. I'm a Sons of Horus player, so Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armor is kind of a no go for me.
So here we have a Praetor armed like just about every other Praetor- MC Paragon Blade and Iron Halo. That's pretty much the baseline for every single Praetor in 30K. Then they add digital weapons and the Tartaros Pattern Termy Armor. He gets no other wargear options, and the way I'm reading the Exemplary Tribune rule, he wouldn't be able to be the Warlord of your army either. Seems odd. You get all this for X points.
Do you know what you can get X points for? A Legion Praetor, in Artificer Armor, MC Paragon Blade, Bolt Pistol, Digital Lasers, Frag and Krak grenades, and Iron Halo. This one costs the same as the Tribune, but is not restricted by the Exemplary Tribune rule or by the Tartaros Termy Armor. For the same X points, you can get a much more effective Praetor with the exact same 2+/4++ save, but has a pistol, grenades, and can run. He also won't be bringing down any other units he joins (that whole "Termy Armor and Non-Termy Armor" rule). In other words, if you want a better Praetor, look for the generic one and not the Tribune.
The question has to be asked: What does the Praetor Tribune bring to a Legion list? If you are rocking a 2,000 point list, and you already have another Praetor in your list as your Warlord, and you have a bunch of Tartaros Pattern Terminators in your army, then yeah, I could see taking this guy. However, I think a Legion Centurion would be a better choice. The Centurion has a similar (but lesser) stat line, but a lot more choices for a lot less points.
Ultimately, this model will probably end up as a Tartaros Terminator Sergeant. Great looking model though. I agree with the head swap. The one with the miniature is pretty bad.
Kara Sloan shoots through Time and Design Space for a Negative Play Experience
I don't see where it says he can't be the army's warlord The way I read the rules, he can be as he has the "Master of the Legion" special rule.
“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn
Tamwulf wrote: Ah, thanks for the pic. So he was a limited edition, special model from Forge World that included his own rules. Cool... I guess if you can get one. This is the first I've heard of him. Not a big deal. Found his rules online. I'm a Sons of Horus player, so Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armor is kind of a no go for me.
So here we have a Praetor armed like just about every other Praetor- MC Paragon Blade and Iron Halo. That's pretty much the baseline for every single Praetor in 30K. Then they add digital weapons and the Tartaros Pattern Termy Armor. He gets no other wargear options, and the way I'm reading the Exemplary Tribune rule, he wouldn't be able to be the Warlord of your army either. Seems odd. You get all this for X points.
How come, for the bold bit? There's no issues fluffwise or rules wise, so is it an effectiveness thing? And I'm not seeing why it can't be your warlord either.
Tamwulf wrote: Ah, thanks for the pic. So he was a limited edition, special model from Forge World that included his own rules. Cool... I guess if you can get one. This is the first I've heard of him. Not a big deal. Found his rules online. I'm a Sons of Horus player, so Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armor is kind of a no go for me.
So here we have a Praetor armed like just about every other Praetor- MC Paragon Blade and Iron Halo. That's pretty much the baseline for every single Praetor in 30K. Then they add digital weapons and the Tartaros Pattern Termy Armor. He gets no other wargear options, and the way I'm reading the Exemplary Tribune rule, he wouldn't be able to be the Warlord of your army either. Seems odd. You get all this for X points.
How come, for the bold bit? There's no issues fluffwise or rules wise, so is it an effectiveness thing? And I'm not seeing why it can't be your warlord either.
Because he wants to go with Justaerin, presumably, so there is no point to not picking Cataphractii instead.
Tamwulf wrote: Ah, thanks for the pic. So he was a limited edition, special model from Forge World that included his own rules. Cool... I guess if you can get one. This is the first I've heard of him. Not a big deal. Found his rules online. I'm a Sons of Horus player, so Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armor is kind of a no go for me.
So here we have a Praetor armed like just about every other Praetor- MC Paragon Blade and Iron Halo. That's pretty much the baseline for every single Praetor in 30K. Then they add digital weapons and the Tartaros Pattern Termy Armor. He gets no other wargear options, and the way I'm reading the Exemplary Tribune rule, he wouldn't be able to be the Warlord of your army either. Seems odd. You get all this for X points.
How come, for the bold bit? There's no issues fluffwise or rules wise, so is it an effectiveness thing? And I'm not seeing why it can't be your warlord either.
Because he wants to go with Justaerin, presumably, so there is no point to not picking Cataphractii instead.
Well that's what I was thinking it might be, that's why I asked.
JamesY wrote: I bought the model today and was given a card with 40k rules on it. I thought that they were the official rules. Turns out that they are a nicely made store set of rules, and therefore, despite being made and given by gw, aren't actually studio rules. Anyway thought I'd share them, and because of the circumstances I thought proposed rules seemed the best place (mods please move if you feel it belongs elsewhere).
These are fan-made rules and not official (thank god).
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
adamsouza wrote: I thought the model was supposed to be supplied with rules ?
It was. The rules you posted just aren't the ones it was supplied with.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The post you quoted even said they weren't official rules .
Rules-wise he's a Preator with Master-crafted Paragon Blade, Iron Halo, Digital Weapons & Tartaros Armour (but no combi-bolter) for 15pts cheaper than the equivalent loadout using the generic Praetor entry. He can't take any additional wargear options.
Nothing amazing but also not bad at all. He basically has the go-to loudout most people give their beatstick Praetors anyway.
Sons of Horus like Cataphract and Justerian Terminators. It's just their thing.
The Praetor Tribune has Master of the Legion and Exemplary Tribune. Master of the Legion says you can only have one of these guys for every 1000 points you field, they take up an HQ slot, and if you field one, it must be your Warlord. If it is your Warlord, then you get to pick the following rules/abilities/options.... Exemplary Tribune says he may not be given any other options or wargear. If he is used as a Warlord, you get to pick from one of several options. Therefore, how can he be a Warlord if he can't pick any warlord options or traits? Similarly, I don't think he can take a Command Squad either, as again, that's an option for a Praetor.
Personally, I wouldn't quibble with someone if they wanted to use this guy as their warlord. I might raise an eyebrow all Spock-style simply because there are much better options for a Warlord then the Praetor Tribune.
This guy just really feels like an extra HQ guy if you are playing 2,000+ points and have another Praetor in your army, or you just want to play with a lot of Tartartos Pattern Terminators.
Kara Sloan shoots through Time and Design Space for a Negative Play Experience
I really like it but as others have said, not a huge fan of the head...
but digging into my bits box, I can't seem to find any other heads (helmeted) that fit, they are all too big and you'd have to save down an unsatisfactory amount to get it in there. any one else already using a helmet that fits?
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Spetsnaz0129 wrote: I really like it but as others have said, not a huge fan of the head...
but digging into my bits box, I can't seem to find any other heads (helmeted) that fit, they are all too big and you'd have to save down an unsatisfactory amount to get it in there. any one else already using a helmet that fits?
The "Gas Mask" head from the SM Tactical Squad Box looks pretty Cool when placed in there, You'll have to cut off some of the neck and back of the head to fit it in there though (but its not noticable)
locarno24 wrote: He's not a bad pick for blackshields, as they can't get a paragon-wielding praetor
Can't take Praetor in Blackshields.
My apologies - someone at my LGS made out that the 'Praetor Tribune' was a different HQ choice to the Praetor - and that therefore he would be a valid option.
locarno24 wrote: He's not a bad pick for blackshields, as they can't get a paragon-wielding praetor
Can't take Praetor in Blackshields.
My apologies - someone at my LGS made out that the 'Praetor Tribune' was a different HQ choice to the Praetor - and that therefore he would be a valid option.
Praetor Tribune. Seems like he falls under the Praetor category. I would be shocked if FW didn't FAQ that or at least confirm via email. But if they allow it, that would be damn nice! Blackshields would kill for that, versus their normal HQ without any good low AP weapons that aren't I1.
To be honest its clear it is a separate entry and therefore if a person using a blackshield force asked whether i minded i would not object but i expect at some point it will be FAQ'ed.
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King Amroth wrote: To be honest its clear it is a separate entry and therefore if a person using a blackshield force asked whether i minded i would not object but i expect at some point it will be FAQ'ed.
If they ask, they are a bad person and should feel bad. Make them take the Nemean Reaver like any other self-respecting Blackshield player.
Was going to pick one up but unfortunately didn't manage to.
However my plans for conversion were to try and make a good looking Alpharius model. Do some work on the armour and he's got his Pale Spear already. I think it could work quite well.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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They're not publicly available but I'm sure there're ways of finding them out
“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn
32,000 points (Blood Ravens) 
2500 (and growing) 
1850
This is the first I've heard of him. Not a big deal. Found his rules online. I'm a Sons of Horus player, so Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armor is kind of a no go for me. 
The way I read the rules, he can be as he has the "Master of the Legion" special rule.
