Betrayal at Calth miniatures re-release (Preorder 9th of July) - Individual boxes - Rules in WD

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**Warhams-77**

angelofvengeance wrote:
So this was posted on the AoS thread, the former seems 40k related. This will come after the Sylvaneth release supposedly.

It deserves its own thread. Rumored by Hastings in Feb 2015, the Betrayal at Calth miniatures will be rereleased as individual kits - similiar to the Assassins from Execution Force. 40k rules can already be found in the Angels of Death supplement.

WD leaks shouldn't be that far away for a confirmation.

*Update*

Warhams-77 wrote:
At least for now BaC is not discontinued

Spoiler:

More WD photos including the datasheets

http://www.ozdestro.com/blog/glorious-mkiv-armour-finally-out-white-dwarf-128-review

Preorders - HH box design

Spoiler:

Felwether on Warseer

Hi Folks,

Haven't seen this posted anywhere so I thought I'd share. Plastic Heresy marines are up for pre order on July the 9th. These are the sprues from BaC repackaged in individual boxes as was rumoured some time ago.

Mark IV Space Marines £ 30.00 / € 39.00

Cataphractii Terminators £ 40.00 / € 52.00

Contemptor Dreadnough 35.00 / € 46.00

Space Marines Heroes £ 30.00 / € 39.00

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?418775-Individual-Horus-Heresy-Boxes&p=7642649&viewfull=1#post7642649

Atia also posted these.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Some good quality scans on Miniwars.eu

http://www.miniwars.eu/2016/07/imagenes-white-dwarf-128.html

aracersss wrote:

More WD photos and US$ prices

Spoiler:

**Kanluwen**

Makes sense.

**kronk**

Sounds groovy!

**Warhams-77**

July 9 Preorders will be available a day before the upcoming Forgeworld Open Day which is held on July 17

The event miniature

Old news but most likely not a coincidence given its armour type

Monday 06 June 2016

EXCLUSIVELY DAEMONIC
If you were at Warhammer fest you may have picked up the latest event exclusive Forge World model. With the Forge World Open day coming up, the Forge World studio team decided that one exclusive model isn’t enough, so there’s another one coming! Check it out…

A Space Marine Librarian summoning a daemon? Sounds heretical to me, but it’s a fantastic looking model. Here’s a look at it unpainted, and you can see that there is plenty of fantastic detail in this model.

You’ll be able to get one first at the Forge World Open Day, and then at every event we attend this year. If you have a ticket for the Forge World Open Day, you have until Monday 11th July to place an order for collection at the event with free shipping. Just make sure you’ve selected the UK as your shipping destination and choose the Forge World Open Day from the list of events.

**Azreal13**

Price is going to be tricky, given that the box is such good value and the constituent parts can be picked up for a good price aftermarket, making it worth buying them for the price charged is going to be a fine line.

**Warhams-77**

Yes, a situation like the clampack Assassins'. Different trade conditions for BaC incoming? It will be discontinued? We should see soon.

**General Kroll**

Plus they are going to compete with regular tactical and terminator squads. Price them wrong and they will cut into those sales too.

**Nevelon**

General Kroll wrote:
Plus they are going to compete with regular tactical and terminator squads. Price them wrong and they will cut into those sales too.

I’d be shocked if they were priced at anything different then the 40k equivalents.

The only way I could see them being less if is they bundled them together. There is the 5 terminator + HQ box for $60, as an example of something they might do. Lot easier to stomach that then a $50 box of terminators and a $30 clampack.

**chaos45**

My guess is BaC is going to go out of print if it isnt already.

Then they will price these new box sets right in line with current sets. So Im expecting price points of $45+ per box as per normal GW crazy pricing.

As once BaC drops off the new prices will quickly become the new normal as the good value box sets dry up which they already kinda are on the second hand market.

Ive already noticed second hand cataphracti have jumped in value via ebay an such since they published 40k rules and as now all the 40k players are snapping them up or keeping them.

Looking forward to seeing what the next box set has to offer for 30k players.....as I havent played a game of 40k in almost a year and have only been playing 30k....in fact probably going to work on selling off the rest of my 40k armies that cant be converted to 30k use in the future when i get a chance lol.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

General Kroll wrote:
Plus they are going to compete with regular tactical and terminator squads. Price them wrong and they will cut into those sales too.

Meaning the safest, and most likely outcome is GW erring on the side of a higher price. That way it doesn't hurt Tactical/Termies, still makes BaC a desirable box... while its left... and also lets higher end, less cost-conscious buyers outright buy their kits.

**Nevelon**

Thinking about bundles and pricing, here’s a wishlist for you:

Start Collecting: 30k Word Bearers:
10 Mk. IV Tacticals
Contemptor Dread
Chaplain

Start Collecting: 30k Ultramarines
10 Mk. IV Tacticals
5 Capheractii Terminators
CTDA Captain

$85 each.

Not going to happen, but a guy can dream...

**Warhams-77**

I dont think it is likely, at least not this early, but a Start Collecting box with the BaC miniatures would sell well I guess. A 10 men Tac Squad, 5-men Terminator squad and either Dreadnought and/or character models would make for a similar set to the Blood Angels one.

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Edit: Ninjaed by Nevelon

**Brother SRM**

Nevelon wrote:
Thinking about bundles and pricing, here’s a wishlist for you:

Start Collecting: 30k Word Bearers:
10 Mk. IV Tacticals
Contemptor Dread
Chaplain

Start Collecting: 30k Ultramarines
10 Mk. IV Tacticals
5 Capheractii Terminators
CTDA Captain

$85 each.

Not going to happen, but a guy can dream...

It's a nice idea, but the characters share a sprue.

**Nevelon**

Brother SRM wrote:

It's a nice idea, but the characters share a sprue.

Forgot about that. Well, at least that means we are unlikely to see GW flogging them as individual $30 clampacks. I could se the pair of them being boxed and sold for $40 though.

Kinda puts a big dampener on the start collecting idea. All? of those are troop+HQ+other.

**TwilightSparkles**

Forge world open day is 17th July. They already do parts for use with BAC so I wouldn't read too much into the timing.

**TheCustomLime**

They could just recut the sprue to be just the Praetor and make a universal "Start collecting: Horus Heresy" box.

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chaos45 wrote:
My guess is BaC is going to go out of print if it isnt already.

Then they will price these new box sets right in line with current sets. So Im expecting price points of $45+ per box as per normal GW crazy pricing.

As once BaC drops off the new prices will quickly become the new normal as the good value box sets dry up which they already kinda are on the second hand market.

Ive already noticed second hand cataphracti have jumped in value via ebay an such since they published 40k rules and as now all the 40k players are snapping them up or keeping them.

Looking forward to seeing what the next box set has to offer for 30k players.....as I havent played a game of 40k in almost a year and have only been playing 30k....in fact probably going to work on selling off the rest of my 40k armies that cant be converted to 30k use in the future when i get a chance lol.

Well, they are still selling execution force long after the assassins became clam-packs.

**Warhams-77**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Forge world open day is 17th July. They already do parts for use with BAC so I wouldn't read too much into the timing.

Thanks

I corrected it. Good point too.

**General Kroll**

TheCustomLime wrote:
They could just recut the sprue to be just the Praetor and make a universal "Start collecting: Horus Heresy" box.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

chaos45 wrote:
My guess is BaC is going to go out of print if it isnt already.

Then they will price these new box sets right in line with current sets. So Im expecting price points of $45+ per box as per normal GW crazy pricing.

As once BaC drops off the new prices will quickly become the new normal as the good value box sets dry up which they already kinda are on the second hand market.

Ive already noticed second hand cataphracti have jumped in value via ebay an such since they published 40k rules and as now all the 40k players are snapping them up or keeping them.

Looking forward to seeing what the next box set has to offer for 30k players.....as I havent played a game of 40k in almost a year and have only been playing 30k....in fact probably going to work on selling off the rest of my 40k armies that cant be converted to 30k use in the future when i get a chance lol.

Well, they are still selling execution force long after the assassins became clam-packs.

Yeah how hard is it to recut the sprues? I'd imagine a lot of the cost would have been in the R&D. As I recall the sprue is both characters, so in theory you could have a start collecting set with both characters if push came to shove?

I don't see why it couldn't happen, it would certainly be a nice in for people to get into the FW lines.

**Jehan-reznor**

I guess it will be a battlegroup, like those old boxes, with the whole set for a price maybe close to the boardgame?

**General Hobbs**

Heresy and Betrayal.....whatever happened to the storyline where the Dark Angels went to wipe out Fenris? Rumors have the End Times coming....maybe that's what's going to start it.

**casvalremdeikun**

General Hobbs wrote:

Heresy and Betrayal.....whatever happened to the storyline where the Dark Angels went to wipe out Fenris? Rumors have the End Times coming....maybe that's what's going to start it.

Yeah, I was kinda thinking it could be related to this as well. A HH related release makes more sense though.

**Warhams-77**

Felwether on Warseer

Hi Folks,

Haven't seen this posted anywhere so I thought I'd share. Plastic Heresy marines are up for pre order on July the 9th. These are the sprues from BaC repackaged in individual boxes as was rumoured some time ago.

Mark IV Space Marines £ 30.00 / € 39.00

Cataphractii Terminators £ 40.00 / € 52.00

Contemptor Dreadnough 35.00 / € 46.00

Space Marines Heroes £ 30.00 / € 39.00

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?418775-Individual-Horus-Heresy-Boxes&p=7642649&viewfull=1#post7642649

Atia also posted these.

**BrookM**

Ouch.

**Warhams-77**

This WILL push BaC sales

**BrookM**

Though it will be interesting to see the box designs for these.

Also, is BaC going the way of the dodo, or will it remain a core product?

**Warhams-77**

No info yet, I guess they will offer BaC until it sells out. The prices are high but that will keep the kits more in line with FW prices. Maybe there is a surprise with the Contemptor kit, 46 EUR seems unreal.

**djones520**

I'm curious if they'll include more weapon options in the Dread kit or not.

**Whumbachumba**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Felwether on Warseer

Hi Folks,

Haven't seen this posted anywhere so I thought I'd share. Plastic Heresy marines are up for pre order on July the 9th. These are the sprues from BaC repackaged in individual boxes as was rumoured some time ago.

Mark IV Space Marines £ 30.00 / € 39.00

Cataphractii Terminators £ 40.00 / € 52.00

Contemptor Dreadnough 35.00 / € 46.00

Space Marines Heroes £ 30.00 / € 39.00

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?418775-Individual-Horus-Heresy-Boxes&p=7642649&viewfull=1#post7642649

Atia also posted these.

Looking at USD box equivalents for pricing it looks like these are going to be some expensive kits in USD. Like $50-65. Hopefully they aren't that high.

**VeteranNoob**

There's plenty of those BaC floating about so even if they decided to pull it (doubtful imo) you can get one.

**GoatboyBeta**

Those are some high prices compared to the "modern" 40k versions. The Heroes set is not to bad, but if that's the same underwhelming Contemptor as in the BaC box? No way I'd pay that price for it.