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I was playing as SoB in Dawn of War: Soulstorm, and was very surprised to find out I was fighting the Imperial Guard. This brings up the question: What do SoB and IG think of each other?

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They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.


Cool, but, why were they fighting the Guard in DoW Soulstorm?
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.


Cool, but, why were they fighting the Guard in DoW Soulstorm?


Because Soulstorm is stupid for a wide variety of reasons.

In this particular case it's because the campaign mode decided to pit every playable army in the game against each other and completely ignored the fact that loyalist Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle are all actually allies in the lore.

Ultimately you could blame the fact that GW wrote the Imperium to be half of the game's Codexes while pretty much every other faction in the game is limited to a single Codex. If the Imperium had simply been represented as an "Imperium Codex" it probably wouldn't be an issue as in Soulstorm you could play The Imperium which would have Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle AND Space Marines among its units, and maybe Squats too. Also each of those sub-factions would be restricted to a handful of units.

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 Pouncey wrote:
 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.


Cool, but, why were they fighting the Guard in DoW Soulstorm?


Because Soulstorm is stupid for a wide variety of reasons.

In this particular case it's because the campaign mode decided to pit every playable army in the game against each other and completely ignored the fact that loyalist Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle are all actually allies in the lore.


That's just...wrong, man. Just wrong.
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.


Cool, but, why were they fighting the Guard in DoW Soulstorm?


Because Soulstorm is stupid for a wide variety of reasons.

In this particular case it's because the campaign mode decided to pit every playable army in the game against each other and completely ignored the fact that loyalist Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle are all actually allies in the lore.


That's just...wrong, man. Just wrong.


I agree. But that's what happens when half the playable armies in the game are actually each other's allies.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
They're generally fans of each other in the lore.

The Sororitas generally guard Ecclesiarchy property/personnel and pilgrimage routes, but when a war breaks out and they happen to be there, they reinforce the Imperial Guard and help hold the line.

Imperial Guard are very familiar with Sororitas and they're often a very welcome sight, due to the Imperium's rigid enforcement of its state religion.

An Imperial Guard tabletop army with a smaller points value of Sororitas allies would be pretty damned fluffy.


Cool, but, why were they fighting the Guard in DoW Soulstorm?


Because Soulstorm is stupid for a wide variety of reasons.

In this particular case it's because the campaign mode decided to pit every playable army in the game against each other and completely ignored the fact that loyalist Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle are all actually allies in the lore.


That's just...wrong, man. Just wrong.


I agree. But that's what happens when half the playable armies in the game are actually each other's allies.


Okay. Makes sense, I guess.
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Okay. Makes sense, I guess.


Also the Imperium has catgirls. They're called Felinids. They also come in catboy, catlady, and catman variations.

Here's an artist's rendition of what the Imperium's negotiations with them would've been like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I was playing as SoB in Dawn of War: Soulstorm, and was very surprised to find out I was fighting the Imperial Guard. This brings up the question: What do SoB and IG think of each other?


Variable - but usually positive

The Guard (even veterans) are usually respectful of the Battle Sisters and often a little awed. The Hospitilar are especially well regarded due to the quality of their medical care

The Sororitas for their part understand that the Imperium depends on the men and women of the guard, those who fight for Him are well regarding. They may be a little rough around the edges - but compared to some of the Asrates they are pretty normal.

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The 'cannon' reason SoB and IG were fighting in Soulstorm is because the Cannoness named the Lord General incompetent for allowing the sector to get into that state of affairs, and when he refused to step down she named him heretic and got the Sororitias gears rolling.

In the Ciaphias Cain novels he interacts with the SoB several times. He has a distrust of them, viewing their zealotry a danger on the battlefield as they didn't follow his orders therefore you couldn't make plans around them. They were so happy to go Martyr themselves they couldn't be trusted to hold the line instead of running after retreating xenos. On the otherhand during an invasion of a Scholar Progium (or some such fake latin) the Sister Novices proved very effective under Veterans commands, being better trained and more effective then any of his other troops.

So the average Guardsmen would be happy to see a SoB on the battlefield beside him, however the commanders may not. Since they don't share the same command structure things can get complicated.

 
   
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To toss a little nugget out there: Adepta Sororita Hospitalliers are commonly seen attached to Guard Medico units and are nicknamed "Angels of Mercy" by the troopers.

And then you have stuff like this showing a Sister of Battle and a Guardsman adorably flirting: http://lutherniel.deviantart.com/gallery/46787308/W40K-Bolter-to-Kokoro
   
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I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The 'cannon' reason SoB and IG were fighting in Soulstorm is because the Cannoness named the Lord General incompetent for allowing the sector to get into that state of affairs, and when he refused to step down she named him heretic and got the Sororitias gears rolling.

In the Ciaphias Cain novels he interacts with the SoB several times. He has a distrust of them, viewing their zealotry a danger on the battlefield as they didn't follow his orders therefore you couldn't make plans around them. They were so happy to go Martyr themselves they couldn't be trusted to hold the line instead of running after retreating xenos. On the otherhand during an invasion of a Scholar Progium (or some such fake latin) the Sister Novices proved very effective under Veterans commands, being better trained and more effective then any of his other troops.

So the average Guardsmen would be happy to see a SoB on the battlefield beside him, however the commanders may not. Since they don't share the same command structure things can get complicated.


Indeed - all good points. Also worth noting that Cain's own Regiments veteran (and commanding) officers are also in awe of the Sisterhood.

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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Nothing wrong with a bit of romance, the best BL novels often have it - even if it is doomed. ADB, Abnet and Mitchel all have it and their books are better for it.


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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Nothing wrong with a bit of romance, the best BL novels often have it - even if it is doomed. ADB, Abnet and Mitchel all have it and their books are better for it.



You know you've been reading too many manga stories when you read "BL" as "Boy's Love" and not "Black Library".

Worst part is that it's not even a genre I read.
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
What do SoB and IG think of each other?


What does the proper military and armed guard of the church think of each other ?

They like each other just fine, until someone declares the other one a heretic.

   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Saw a VG Cats comic theorizing what a Left 4 Dead romance novel's dialogue would be.

From memory, the character reading a random section from the book expressed it thusly:

"'TAAAAAAAAANK!' Bill screamed, his nipples erect. A hot Molotov throbbed in his hand."
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Saw a VG Cats comic theorizing what a Left 4 Dead romance novel's dialogue would be.

From memory, the character reading a random section from the book expressed it thusly:

"'TAAAAAAAAANK!' Bill screamed, his nipples erect. A hot Molotov throbbed in his hand."

40k would likely put too much emphasis on "vibrating chainswords" and "thrusted power swords".

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Saw a VG Cats comic theorizing what a Left 4 Dead romance novel's dialogue would be.

From memory, the character reading a random section from the book expressed it thusly:

"'TAAAAAAAAANK!' Bill screamed, his nipples erect. A hot Molotov throbbed in his hand."

40k would likely put too much emphasis on "vibrating chainswords" and "thrusted power swords".


There are some tags on certain erotica websites where those chainswords and power swords would be quite at home being put to their intended use.
   
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Yeah but no decent person reads Tyranid Vore or Guardsman snuff stories.
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah but no decent person reads Tyranid Vore or Guardsman snuff stories.


Oh.

Right.

We were talking about stories. That's right.

Nevermind.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah but no decent person reads Tyranid Vore or Guardsman snuff stories.


Oh.

Right.

We were talking about stories. That's right.

Nevermind.

Graphic novel erotica exists too, but point remains.
   
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The thing about the Imperium is that its notionally unified but in practice, very fractured. The Ecclesiarchy coming to blows with the Guard because of conflicting agendas wouldn't be out of the question.
Consider that Guard generals might deem some cathedral occupied by the enemy acceptable collateral damage. The Sisters intervene and intercept the convoy of Basilisks. The guard have their orders, and to disobey their leaders is to disobey the voice of the Emperor himself.
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

I disagree. But then again I have a soft spot for romance stories, even when they're a bit silly.

At least it's a pure and innocent romance story versus some of the stuff I've seen in the romance section in book stores.


Yeah. It's pure in that it has absolutely nothing of substance. It is a page full of 'anime romance' tropes. It is purely, utterly boring.

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 Ouze wrote:

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the reason why SoBs where fighting the Imperial guard, and space marines in soul storm can be summed up with one word.. Politics. just because factions in the IoM normally get along doesn't mean that they ALWAYS do. and sometimes politics is going to lead to clashes. if the Sisters belive the IG regiment has been corrupted, for example, they may well take it unto themselves to purge said regiment

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 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

Heresy is the word you were looking for.

   
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 n0t_u wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
I don't know if "adorable" is the word I'd use for that.

"Anime trope garbage" maybe.

Heresy is the word you were looking for.


Mmm, delicious heresy...
   
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Sisters are generally complementary to the Guard, being infantry with superior armor and weapons, but inferior in heavy armor and fast transport. In most cases, they will be fighting shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy (e.g. Orks or anti-Imperial forces), working to protect humanity.

   
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