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[edit] It appears that I am still able to field my entire army in the same way as before by shopping around in the book, and using a ridiculous amount of formations & factions. This book is great YAY : D
So the question of ignoring the book is only relevant for organised play with detachment restrictions. This sure was a roller coasters.

The old books are still for sale .
Here -> https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas-Interactive-iBook-Edition?_requestid=27880
and
Here -> https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Inquisition-eBook-Edition

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That's entirely up to you and your opponent.
   
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Its happened before with Death From the Skys so good chance it will happen if thats the case.



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 Elbows wrote:
That's entirely up to you and your opponent.
Na it isn't in pick up games is it. suppose you where my opponent would you accept it if I just ignored the new book and continued to play with the actual codex.

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 oldzoggy wrote:
So lets say that the rumors are true and most of the book is a bunch of nerfs / removal of options for sisters and Inq players. Can we as INQ / sister players just reject it and use our own true 7th codex instead ? GW FAQ's sure seem to hint this way with the iron priest ruling and the green tide ruling.


The answer is going to be the same as it always is... it depends on who you're playing with. If you're playing in a specifc organized event, check with the organizers. If you're playing against a specific opponent, ask that opponent. If you're asking what you're likely to expect for some hypothetical game against an unknown opponent in the future... I've found that people generally expect you to use the latest version of any given rule set. At the very least, you should be using rules sources that are still available for purchase. If Codex Inquisition and Codex Adepta Sororitas are still available for purchase, I would expect the average player to be fine with you using them. If they're no longer available and there is a newer source that IS available, I would expect the average player to want you to use the newer source.

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I miss my old GK codex (mostly psy-ammo and Draigo being an HQ). That doesn't mean I can use it without specific opponent permission.

Kriswall nails it. Argue all you want, but that's the answer unless you want to try being TFG. You ask the people you're actually play with, not random people on the internet who you will likely never play with.

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You can play an older edition with your opponent's permission if you want to.

Really it's up to you and your opponent to decide, the Internet cannot help you.
   
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Depends. If it's just a supplement, then sure go for it. If it's supposed to be the new codex, then maybe. That'd be the same as me saying "Hey can we play 7th with my 4th edition Ork codex?"

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From what I hear, the conversation will go like this for me.

Pouncey: "Hey, I'm gonna use the old eBook Codex this time, okay?"
Pouncey's mom: "Why not the new hardcopy Codex?"
Pouncey: "I want to field Saint Celestine this time."
   
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Yeah it all seems a bit odd since they still sell the codexes. ( it would be simple if they stopped selling those ). Also the new book might be great due to stuff that we haven't seen yet who knows.

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I doubt the book is going to completely overwrite the Codexes any more than Khorne Daemonkin deleted Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh from the CSM/Daemon books. I suspect you'll be able to use the existing content alongside it, if only so GW can make people keep buying two books.

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They still sell Codex: Adepta Sororitas, therefor it is still a valid, official codex.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
I doubt the book is going to completely overwrite the Codexes any more than Khorne Daemonkin deleted Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh from the CSM/Daemon books. I suspect you'll be able to use the existing content alongside it, if only so GW can make people keep buying two books.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
That's entirely up to you and your opponent.
Na it isn't in pick up games is it. suppose you where my opponent would you accept it if I just ignored the new book and continued to play with the actual codex.


...did you read my post?
   
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It's an update of the previous codex. The old codex is no longer valid.

KDK is a different faction than CSM.

Would you be okay with your opponent telling you they are going to use a different edition of the brb for their models so they could charge from reserves/infiltration? Has the same level of validity.

Invalid rules which have an update are still invalid rules.
   
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blaktoof wrote:
It's an update of the previous codex. The old codex is no longer valid.

KDK is a different faction than CSM.

Would you be okay with your opponent telling you they are going to use a different edition of the brb for their models so they could charge from reserves/infiltration? Has the same level of validity.

Invalid rules which have an update are still invalid rules.


It's a tabletop game. So long as all parties involved in the game agree, it's fine.
   
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blaktoof wrote:
It's an update of the previous codex. The old codex is no longer valid.

The "old codex" will be valid until GW stops selling it.

Until then, Codex: Imperial Agents is merely a supplement.

As it was quite clearly intended to be.

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 Pouncey wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
It's an update of the previous codex. The old codex is no longer valid.

KDK is a different faction than CSM.

Would you be okay with your opponent telling you they are going to use a different edition of the brb for their models so they could charge from reserves/infiltration? Has the same level of validity.

Invalid rules which have an update are still invalid rules.


It's a tabletop game. So long as all parties involved in the game agree, it's fine.


Unless OP decides to go to a tournament. Then it's not fine.

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As Pouncey said - the only time this will really matter is tournaments who will make a ruling about this beforehand. (the OP is asking "what if we reject..." --- well that's up to the tournament organizers, not the OP)

If not, it's entirely up to you and your opponent - but you should be prepared for someone to not play you if they insist you need to use the new book, etc. It's table top wargaming...someone could refuse to play you because of the colour of your shirt, let alone believing you're using an out-of-date book, etc.

I'd imagine the vast majority of people won't care at all.

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 Pouncey wrote:
It's a tabletop game. So long as all parties involved in the game agree, it's fine.


+1

I can either use Celestine, or I can reroll all my 1s to save once per game. I'd rather be facing Celestine if I'm honest.

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 jreilly89 wrote:
Unless OP decides to go to a tournament. Then it's not fine.


The tournament organizer will make it known ahead of time.


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 BBAP wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
It's a tabletop game. So long as all parties involved in the game agree, it's fine.


+1

I can either use Celestine, or I can reroll all my 1s to save once per game. I'd rather be facing Celestine if I'm honest.


And I'd rather be able to use my converted Celestine model.

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Why?
I hate how the digital Codex: Inquisition was digital-only, I hate how it was based on what, 5th edition rules? The friggin Chimeras in there still ran the age-old IG rules. So - in general - I am excited for the book.

The only real downside I can see for now is that St. Celestine is gone - which really sucks. I really don't get why they'd just remove her, if she's really gone for good. I hope they'll at least bring her back next year with a new model, but if she's removed now I don't really see them bringing her back at any point. But I'm not going to boycott a book for one model.
Has there been an ACTUAL leak of the contents of the book? outside of just the index and like 3 pages? I'd love to see the whole Inquisition stuff and hold my judgement until I've seen the whole picture.

But this is one of the books where I'll have a look inside and THEN decide whether or not I'll buy it.

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nekooni wrote:
Why?
I hate how the digital Codex: Inquisition was digital-only, I hate how it was based on what, 5th edition rules? The friggin Chimeras in there still ran the age-old IG rules. So - in general - I am excited for the book.

The only real downside I can see for now is that St. Celestine is gone - which really sucks. I really don't get why they'd just remove her, if she's really gone for good. I hope they'll at least bring her back next year with a new model, but if she's removed now I don't really see them bringing her back at any point. But I'm not going to boycott a book for one model.
Has there been an ACTUAL leak of the contents of the book? outside of just the index and like 3 pages? I'd love to see the whole Inquisition stuff and hold my judgement until I've seen the whole picture.

But this is one of the books where I'll have a look inside and THEN decide whether or not I'll buy it.


New model?

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Celestine is probably sitting next to Vect somewhere wondering wtf happened.

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Celestine is looking for Sly Marbo now?

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blaktoof wrote:
Celestine is probably sitting next to Vector somewhere wondering wtf happened.


Celestine actually died many thousands of years before M41.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
nekooni wrote:
Why?
I hate how the digital Codex: Inquisition was digital-only, I hate how it was based on what, 5th edition rules? The friggin Chimeras in there still ran the age-old IG rules. So - in general - I am excited for the book.

The only real downside I can see for now is that St. Celestine is gone - which really sucks. I really don't get why they'd just remove her, if she's really gone for good. I hope they'll at least bring her back next year with a new model, but if she's removed now I don't really see them bringing her back at any point. But I'm not going to boycott a book for one model.
Has there been an ACTUAL leak of the contents of the book? outside of just the index and like 3 pages? I'd love to see the whole Inquisition stuff and hold my judgement until I've seen the whole picture.

But this is one of the books where I'll have a look inside and THEN decide whether or not I'll buy it.


New model?

Are you new to WH40k?


but if she's removed now I don't really see them bringing her back at any point
   
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nekooni wrote:
but if she's removed now I don't really see them bringing her back at any point


Correct. You understand the reality.
   
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Marbo, Celestine, Inquisitor Valerya and Praxedes of Ophelia versus Vect, Malys, Sliscus and Kheradruakh. There's a superhero comic book in there somewhere.

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 BBAP wrote:
Marbo, Celestine, Inquisitor Valerya and Praxedes of Ophelia versus Vect, Malys, Sliscus and Kheradruakh. There's a superhero comic book in there somewhere.


Given how few units there are in the Sororitas list, it's difficult to imagine a reason they'd've needed to remove her entry in the Codex.

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