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 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
GK and DW aren't replaced by the new book, but SoB and Inquisition are. Their entire army lists are in there.


I agree with this assessment, but as it's not "officially stated" anywhere I can already see a Sky is Falling moment ahead...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas-eBook-Edition
"officially stated".


I still don't see that being clarified here... what am I missing?


"The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army."

That part.


If that is taken at face value, then, GK and DW ARE indeed replaced by the new book. That statement is a throw-away I'm afraid.


I'm still confused as to how you're trying to argue that RAI they're squatting everything in the Cult Mechanicus Codex at the same time they're putting out a big Christmas launch.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
GK and DW aren't replaced by the new book, but SoB and Inquisition are. Their entire army lists are in there.


I agree with this assessment, but as it's not "officially stated" anywhere I can already see a Sky is Falling moment ahead...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas-eBook-Edition
"officially stated".


I still don't see that being clarified here... what am I missing?


"The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army."

That part.


If that is taken at face value, then, GK and DW ARE indeed replaced by the new book. That statement is a throw-away I'm afraid.


I'm still confused as to how you're trying to argue that RAI they're squatting everything in the Cult Mechanicus Codex at the same time they're putting out a big Christmas launch.



I am currently of two opinions, either they are doing it because

1. Knee Jerk reaction.

2. They are claiming everything is an updated army list, when in truth only INQ and Sororitas got updated army lists and the rest are other formations - in doing so they can latch onto the claim that because some of them were not updated army lists then it is a "supplement" and does not update any army lists.
   
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Davor wrote:
Pouncey wrote:You can play an older edition with your opponent's permission if you want to.

Really it's up to you and your opponent to decide, the Internet cannot help you.


The Internet can help you out. He can gauge if it's worth his time to start or not. Just like asking "anyone want to play Unbound" almost everyone will say No, so it will not be worth buying, modelling and painting an army if he can't use it for Unbound. So maybe he will have to buy other minis to play with if he wants to get games in.

Same here. He can gauge to see if he really needs to buy the book so he can play with what ever army he wants or save a bit of money and not bother with it, just in case it sells out.

I say you still have to wait. While it seems most information is out, there could still be stuff in that we don't know yet and wait and see until it's actually released and then decide for yourself. It's too early to get worked on for nothing.

That said, if you were playing me, I would be perfectly fine with it. Thing is in most cases we will never have a game and you will have to think what is your alternative if your opponent says No. What will you do then? Have 2 lists? One for when someone says yes and when someone says no? Is this ok with you? Will you shelf your army until a new dex comes out? What is your plan B, C and D and maybe E?


My only opponent is my mom.

And currently my plan is to quit WH40k tabletop and donate my collection of models to a thrift store because I am completely convinced that Sisters of Battle will never receive a proper update and end up being squatted entirely.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
Davor wrote:
Pouncey wrote:You can play an older edition with your opponent's permission if you want to.

Really it's up to you and your opponent to decide, the Internet cannot help you.


The Internet can help you out. He can gauge if it's worth his time to start or not. Just like asking "anyone want to play Unbound" almost everyone will say No, so it will not be worth buying, modelling and painting an army if he can't use it for Unbound. So maybe he will have to buy other minis to play with if he wants to get games in.

Same here. He can gauge to see if he really needs to buy the book so he can play with what ever army he wants or save a bit of money and not bother with it, just in case it sells out.

I say you still have to wait. While it seems most information is out, there could still be stuff in that we don't know yet and wait and see until it's actually released and then decide for yourself. It's too early to get worked on for nothing.

That said, if you were playing me, I would be perfectly fine with it. Thing is in most cases we will never have a game and you will have to think what is your alternative if your opponent says No. What will you do then? Have 2 lists? One for when someone says yes and when someone says no? Is this ok with you? Will you shelf your army until a new dex comes out? What is your plan B, C and D and maybe E?


My only opponent is my mom.

And currently my plan is to quit WH40k tabletop and donate my collection of models to a thrift store because I am completely convinced that Sisters of Battle will never receive a proper update and end up being squatted entirely.


Well, I think that's kind of cool you play with your mom tbh.

I suspect the next edition which will be out in 6 months will see SoB updated to the basic standard every one else is. There is a 3rd party called "raging heroes" that makes some "sisters like" models which make GW look like ....mishappen balls of metal. GW generally hates 3rd party miniatures, and they often either remove units if GW does not produce a model for an unit entry but a 3rd party does, or update their rules/model line to make people stop buying the 3rd party models. GW will likely at some point do the second option.
   
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blaktoof wrote:
Well, I think that's kind of cool you play with your mom tbh.


My parents met at the strategy gaming club at their college.

She was actually just looking for a quiet spot to study, and the spot she picked was near the club.

My dad refused to get into Warhammer 40k. He's an obsessive collector, and he knew he couldn't afford the model-buying habit that would happen if he got into it.

I suspect the next edition which will be out in 6 months will see SoB updated to the basic standard every one else is. There is a 3rd party called "raging heroes" that makes some "sisters like" models which make GW look like ....mishappen balls of metal. GW generally hates 3rd party miniatures, and they often either remove units if GW does not produce a model for an unit entry but a 3rd party does, or update their rules/model line to make people stop buying the 3rd party models. GW will likely at some point do the second option.


Heh. No. No they won't.
   
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Pouncy they reprinted the SoB rules with new detachment rules and made a new canoness model. IF GW was never going to bother with SoB again they wouldn't have bothered even doing that much.

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 CrownAxe wrote:
Pouncy they reprinted the SoB rules with new detachment rules and made a new canoness model. IF GW was never going to bother with SoB again they wouldn't have bothered even doing that much.

Get your head out of you rear end


We've had formations before, you know.

You know when the time was to release plastic Sisters of Battle? December. Three months after the Warhammer TV tease. When they get a hardcopy Codex again. Right now.

Didn't happen.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
Pouncy they reprinted the SoB rules with new detachment rules and made a new canoness model. IF GW was never going to bother with SoB again they wouldn't have bothered even doing that much.

Get your head out of you rear end


We've had formations before, you know.

You know when the time was to release plastic Sisters of Battle? December. Three months after the Warhammer TV tease. When they get a hardcopy Codex again. Right now.

Didn't happen.

You are missing the point. If they were going to squat sisters they would be doing literally nothing for them. They aren't. They get a new detachment and they got a new model. That is proof that sisters will get plastics and a new book eventually
   
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 CrownAxe wrote:
You are missing the point. If they were going to squat sisters they would be doing literally nothing for them. They aren't. They get a new detachment and they got a new model. That is proof that sisters will get plastics and a new book eventually


It's really, really not proof of what you think it is.

Also, when "eventually" gets here, that's when I'll believe it. I've been waiting for "eventually" for the past five years, and it's still not here yet.
   
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 Jancoran wrote:
CrownAxe is right. That is all.


I'll grudgingly admit we did finally get a new model. That's really the only new development - we've gotten numerous Codex updates since 2003.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
You are missing the point. If they were going to squat sisters they would be doing literally nothing for them. They aren't. They get a new detachment and they got a new model. That is proof that sisters will get plastics and a new book eventually


It's really, really not proof of what you think it is.

Also, when "eventually" gets here, that's when I'll believe it. I've been waiting for "eventually" for the past five years, and it's still not here yet.

I've been waiting for 10 years. Get over your self. You're not the only one who wants plastic sisters, but you're the only one I see that's such a pessimistic crybaby about it.

Dark Eldar took 10 years to get their plastic update and they eventually got it. Sisters getting anything new means they are still on GW's radar and aren't about to get squated.
   
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 CrownAxe wrote:
I've been waiting for 10 years. Get over your self. You're not the only one who wants plastic sisters, but you're the only one I see that's such a pessimistic crybaby about it.

Dark Eldar took 10 years to get their plastic update and they eventually got it. Sisters getting anything new means they are still on GW's radar and aren't about to get squated.


I'm incredibly pessimistic because my enjoyment of my army depends on being able to do conversions with them. Conversions are the most fun I have with WH40k. My fear of power tools and dislike of superglue mean I require plastic models to do that. I've tried converting metal models with the tools I'm comfortable using. It didn't go well.

Also, Sisters of Battle were released in 1997. Next year that will be 20 years ago.

Sisters got a new Codex, yes. But not their own Codex. They could eventually be written out of it. That new Codex removed Saint Celestine as an option, so we lost a unit with this new Codex.

When I say I fear they'll be squatted, I don't mean that one day they just up and disappear. I mean that as time goes on, and new Imperial Agents updates come out, the army is scaled back further, and further, until finally they just end what little remains. I don't view that happening soon, butt instead many years from now.

Also, if you want to see me being optimistic about Sisters of Battle, go look at my oldest posts. Around and before the time the 5e WD dex was released. You will see me being excited about having the Codex all to Sisters of Battle, without the Inquisition. You will see me being glad that the army's still getting updates. You will see me hopeful for plastics without moping or whining.

You will also see at least a half-dozen other Sisters of Battle players, arguing with me, telling me what utter gak it all was, that the plastics would never come, that GW hated the army, and that I was an idiot for being optimistic.

After weeks of that, they broke me. You will find a post somewhere in mid-2011 where my optimism is destroyed forever. By Dakkites.

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 oldzoggy wrote:
nekooni wrote:

Codex Inquisition had 5th edition rules. The Codex store page literally tells you where to find the latest rules for that faction.


Nope not at all it was never 5th.It was 6th and is all updated to 7th editon for ages. I lost my power axes in the last update, that is not something you forget ; )

So then why exactly did Codex:Inquisition Chimeras have 5 Firing Points and no Lasgun arrays? From what I can tell it was using 5th Edition rules, even if it might've been released during 6th and was slightly updated for 7th edition (more of an errata update than anything else from what I can tell - DCAs always should've had Power Swords).
   
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 CrownAxe wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
Pouncy they reprinted the SoB rules with new detachment rules and made a new canoness model. IF GW was never going to bother with SoB again they wouldn't have bothered even doing that much.

Get your head out of you rear end


We've had formations before, you know.

You know when the time was to release plastic Sisters of Battle? December. Three months after the Warhammer TV tease. When they get a hardcopy Codex again. Right now.

Didn't happen.

You are missing the point. If they were going to squat sisters they would be doing literally nothing for them. They aren't. They get a new detachment and they got a new model. That is proof that sisters will get plastics and a new book eventually


Uhh, did you pay any attention to what happened with WHFB/AoS? Releasing things and having them made invalid in a couple of months is not something we have never seen from GW. With the talk of 8th being a complete overhaul of the game and the recent fluff looking more and more like the End Times of WHFB I wouldn't be surprised if entire armies got written out of existence after their cash grab releases.

I love GSC but I honestly think we will probably never see any continued support of them. They got their models, they got a codex, they will probably be left to rot from this point on.

I doubt SoB will see any new releases, at best we will see a new faction that is SoB-like. I love my SoB, one of my favorite armies by far, but I am not holding out hope. I do not see their inclusion into a supplement as a good sign, I see it as a way to incentivize the sale of the remaining SoB stock to people who can now just run them as a small allied group.

After The End Times I have zero faith in GW doing anything that would make sense. They literally tricked their fan base into buying a bunch of incredibly expensive books, made it seem like they were finally giving the game some support, then pulled the rug out under everyone and released a new game that had rules that actively insulted the players of the game they just axed. They do not care about existing players. They do not care about existing armies. All they care about is new model sales and new players.
   
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Games workshop stated before the release that this is a supplement and will not replace the codex for any of the imperial books.
   
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azraelboogie1984 wrote:
Games workshop stated before the release that this is a supplement and will not replace the codex for any of the imperial books.

Source?
   
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nekooni wrote:

Or send them a sandwich with US cheese.


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 Melissia wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
I've been waiting for 10 years. Get over your self.
[rude crap I'm not quoting]
Stop being a dick. No one is obligated to share your optimism. No one is obligated to put a fake smile on just so you can be happy. No one is obligated to agree with you, either. And there's zero excuse for you to be a smarmy, condescending jerk about fething miniatures just because someone refused to do these things for you.


As far from self-awareness as could be.

But hoo boy this topic is a land-mine of opinions right now, but if you ask your opponents nicely they may allow it, but in general people tend to want the newest updated rules.

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I'm not exactly enthusiastic about what I've seen leaked thus far, but I'm nowhere near 'Boycott the book' levels. I mean, I'm going to miss my build-a-bear inquisition squads, but 18-point Psyker batteries absolutely needed to go, and I don't begrudge them for removing it. If Cannonesses get access to Jump Packs, I'll forgive them for axing Celestine. I wish the Grey Knights section gave access to Librarians, but oh well.
Really, I'm most annoyed that it looks like Sisters aren't really given any kind of changes - They absolutely, absolutely needed changes. The 'Re-roll saves of 1' thing is nifty, I guess, but the fact that it only lasts for a turn makes it less-than-stellar. Giving two acts of faith to every unit would have been much, much better, and probably made a lot more sense, too.
   
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Waaaghpower wrote:
I'm not exactly enthusiastic about what I've seen leaked thus far, but I'm nowhere near 'Boycott the book' levels. I mean, I'm going to miss my build-a-bear inquisition squads, but 18-point Psyker batteries absolutely needed to go, and I don't begrudge them for removing it. If Cannonesses get access to Jump Packs, I'll forgive them for axing Celestine. I wish the Grey Knights section gave access to Librarians, but oh well.
Really, I'm most annoyed that it looks like Sisters aren't really given any kind of changes - They absolutely, absolutely needed changes. The 'Re-roll saves of 1' thing is nifty, I guess, but the fact that it only lasts for a turn makes it less-than-stellar. Giving two acts of faith to every unit would have been much, much better, and probably made a lot more sense, too.


Are Sisters really that underpowered? I was under the impression they're a solid mid-level army, not even close to e.g 'Nids or Orks. But I've never played with Sisters on the table (I'm still waiting on RH to deliver my totally-not-sisters) on either side, so I'm honestly curious.
   
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nekooni wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
I'm not exactly enthusiastic about what I've seen leaked thus far, but I'm nowhere near 'Boycott the book' levels. I mean, I'm going to miss my build-a-bear inquisition squads, but 18-point Psyker batteries absolutely needed to go, and I don't begrudge them for removing it. If Cannonesses get access to Jump Packs, I'll forgive them for axing Celestine. I wish the Grey Knights section gave access to Librarians, but oh well.
Really, I'm most annoyed that it looks like Sisters aren't really given any kind of changes - They absolutely, absolutely needed changes. The 'Re-roll saves of 1' thing is nifty, I guess, but the fact that it only lasts for a turn makes it less-than-stellar. Giving two acts of faith to every unit would have been much, much better, and probably made a lot more sense, too.


Are Sisters really that underpowered? I was under the impression they're a solid mid-level army, not even close to e.g 'Nids or Orks. But I've never played with Sisters on the table (I'm still waiting on RH to deliver my totally-not-sisters) on either side, so I'm honestly curious.

They're not the weakest army in the game, but pretty much everything we can do is outdone by old fashioned Space Marines. And by old-fashioned, I mean footslogging CADs, maybe with Rhinos. Imagine a Space Marine army with no Centurions, no fliers, no AA, no Drop Pods, no Psykers, no bikes, no Chapter Masters. Imagine also that they have no access to 2+ armor, which also means no Terminators and no Honour Guard. Imagine that army without any formations, no Decurion, not even a modified CAD, just the regular one. That Space Marine army is still better than what Sisters of Battle get.

We're an army that work best at short range (All of our good weapons are either Melta or Flamer,) but who cannot handle even light Close Combat with most of our squads, and whose dedicated, built-out melee units are only marginally better than Assault Marines.

For a more comprehensive rundown:
Spoiler:
Compare our basic troops to Tactical marines, who really aren't that powerful to begin with:
We're 12 points, to a Tacs 14.
We get a 6++ and Admantium Will, which is about equivalent to any chapter's Chapter Tactics.
We get Preferred Enemy, once per game, for a single phase. (A single turn, as of the new book, which is marginally better if we plan on charging, but we really shouldn't be charging.)
Space Marines get And They Shall Know No Fear, +1 WS, S, T, and I.
We can go to units of 20, but don't get extra special weapon access for doing so.
We DO get access to either two special weapons or a heavy weapon and special weapon in a five sister squad, which is nice. Unfortunately, our only options are the Flamer, Meltagun, or Storm Bolter. (Heavy Flamer, Multi-Melta, and Heavy Bolter for our Heavies.)
No Drop Pods, either.


All in all compared to Tacs, we don't really show up favorably, and nobody's looking to Tacs as the gold standard of troops right now. We pay a points upgrade to get 'Assault' squads, but because Sisters are pretty meh to begin with, they'd need some significant boosts in order to have an actually good melee squad, and they really don't get them.
Compare Celestians to Assault Marines without jump packs, and we cost the same Ppm, get +1 ld, and our Act of Faith lets of get furious charge for a turn, meaning that once per game we can have a charge as good as Assault Marines get all the time. (We also get Boltguns and Bolt Pistols, meaning we have marginally better shooting, but if we use those boltguns then we aren't charging, and if we aren't charging we may as well just take Battle Sisters.)
Compare an Exorcist to a Tri-las Predator. The Exorcist has one worse strength, one better AP, and trades three shots (One of which is twin-linked) for d6 shots. No choice to be in a squadron, and it's completely unreliable because you never know if you'll get a few shots when you need them, or if you'll roll a '1' when you REALLY need to kill that tank.
Compare Penitent Engines to Dreadnoughts, and just laugh. We get an extra Heavy Flamer attack, and Rage, and a 6+ invuln. Dreadnoughts have better armor, aren't open topped, have actual shooting choices, have better Initiative, Weapon Skill...

The whole army gets Admantium Will, but has no access to Warp Charges, so it's ultimately meaningless. Cannonesses are so bad that it's laughable. (The 'Best' build is a 3+4++ model with 3 EW wounds and 4 S6, AP2, Armorbane attacks at I1 WS5. For 120 points. Her Act of Faith gives Hatred, but for 25 points you can just take a Priest, who gives Zealot for the whole game.


It's not all terrible, of course. Dominions can Scout forward with Meltaguns, and get Ignores Cover for a turn. Seraphim really aren't great unless you include Celestine, but for less than 100 points you can get 4 Hand Flamers that get shred once per game. Retributors can get Rending on their guns for a turn, which doesn't exactly make them a competitive option, but does at least mean that the Boltguns in the squad aren't completely useless. But these 'Good' choices are barely average compared to better armies, and speaking of options, we really don't get many - One HQ, one psuedo-HQ that can't be your main choice, two special characters. One troop choice, two Elites choices, two Fast Attack choices, and a whopping three Heavy Support options.
   
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nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
Well ...I do like cheese sandwiches and I agree it is clear how this is meant to work. But I also know what this community is like and I hardly think that will be considered the "official line".

There's an official line on BOTH invalidated codexes, there isn't one on the others.
Which book is valid and which isn't has never been "clearly ruled" anywhere, so it's really a non-issue unless GW starts publishing a list of valid books.
It's really not advancing the community at all by claiming that there are so many people that think like that and arguing their point. I've literally never met someone that went "oh, but GW never claimed that old books are invalidated, so I can just play this 2nd edition book instead".
If people that want to argue that actually exist, let them speak for themself and explain WHY they think that they're free to use a clearly invalidated codex?

It's fine if you wanna bring Celestine to a casual match with the new Codex: Imperial Agents, just ask beforehand. But that won't fly at a tournament or with a bad attitude, claiming it's your right to do that.


Why you think contents of supplement are no longer legal automatically just because new book or even new version appears? GW doesn't say so. Indeed when they have said anything regarding that it's that old stuff is still valid to use.

Only ones invalidating old books are players. GW for sure isn't.


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 Pouncey wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
Pouncy they reprinted the SoB rules with new detachment rules and made a new canoness model. IF GW was never going to bother with SoB again they wouldn't have bothered even doing that much.

Get your head out of you rear end


We've had formations before, you know.

You know when the time was to release plastic Sisters of Battle? December. Three months after the Warhammer TV tease. When they get a hardcopy Codex again. Right now.

Didn't happen.


You know what was predicted time? Not december...

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 Pouncey wrote:
Davor wrote:
Pouncey wrote:You can play an older edition with your opponent's permission if you want to.

Really it's up to you and your opponent to decide, the Internet cannot help you.


The Internet can help you out. He can gauge if it's worth his time to start or not. Just like asking "anyone want to play Unbound" almost everyone will say No, so it will not be worth buying, modelling and painting an army if he can't use it for Unbound. So maybe he will have to buy other minis to play with if he wants to get games in.

Same here. He can gauge to see if he really needs to buy the book so he can play with what ever army he wants or save a bit of money and not bother with it, just in case it sells out.

I say you still have to wait. While it seems most information is out, there could still be stuff in that we don't know yet and wait and see until it's actually released and then decide for yourself. It's too early to get worked on for nothing.

That said, if you were playing me, I would be perfectly fine with it. Thing is in most cases we will never have a game and you will have to think what is your alternative if your opponent says No. What will you do then? Have 2 lists? One for when someone says yes and when someone says no? Is this ok with you? Will you shelf your army until a new dex comes out? What is your plan B, C and D and maybe E?


My only opponent is my mom.

And currently my plan is to quit WH40k tabletop and donate my collection of models to a thrift store because I am completely convinced that Sisters of Battle will never receive a proper update and end up being squatted entirely.


Quote the wrong person? How does this apply "the internet can't help you out"?
   
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Was there actually any changes to Grey Knights or were the units just reproduced in the new book?

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tneva82 wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
Well ...I do like cheese sandwiches and I agree it is clear how this is meant to work. But I also know what this community is like and I hardly think that will be considered the "official line".

There's an official line on BOTH invalidated codexes, there isn't one on the others.
Which book is valid and which isn't has never been "clearly ruled" anywhere, so it's really a non-issue unless GW starts publishing a list of valid books.
It's really not advancing the community at all by claiming that there are so many people that think like that and arguing their point. I've literally never met someone that went "oh, but GW never claimed that old books are invalidated, so I can just play this 2nd edition book instead".
If people that want to argue that actually exist, let them speak for themself and explain WHY they think that they're free to use a clearly invalidated codex?

It's fine if you wanna bring Celestine to a casual match with the new Codex: Imperial Agents, just ask beforehand. But that won't fly at a tournament or with a bad attitude, claiming it's your right to do that.


Why you think contents of supplement are no longer legal automatically just because new book or even new version appears? GW doesn't say so. Indeed when they have said anything regarding that it's that old stuff is still valid to use.

Only ones invalidating old books are players. GW for sure isn't.

Have I claimed that GW officially invalidates books? No. I've pointed out that GW says that the Army Lists for both Inquisition and Sisters of Battle are updated and revised in Codex: Imperial Agents. I've said that there isn't a clear ruling or anything of that kind when it comes to "is this book still legal to use in a 40k game?".

You, as a player, are free to run ANY book you like. You're free to houserule the living gak out of your 40k experience. But when you play, you have to agree on the "how you play" with the other player. And I'd say it's a save bet to say that most people expect you to run the most recent rules, unless you specifically told them otherwise. And then it's within their rights to deny playing you. If you ask them nicely many people will agree to it I'd expect, but if you start the introduction of your army with "You know how GW doesn't have a rule for invalidating old books? I'm just gonna use that fact and run a nth Edition Codex: Something now, it's totally legal", I don't think you'll be making friends that way.

And when it comes to tournaments your - and my - opinion simply doesn't matter at all. The TOs set up rules that govern the tournament. If they tell you to always use the most recent Army List for a Faction you will use that book for your Inquisition/Sisters of Battle or you will not be able to participate in that tournament. If they're cool with you using Codex: Inquisiton that's just the way it is. But I'd suggest you ask them in advance since I don't think that's the norm for a tournament.

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blaktoof wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
 Gunzhard wrote:
nekooni wrote:
GK and DW aren't replaced by the new book, but SoB and Inquisition are. Their entire army lists are in there.


I agree with this assessment, but as it's not "officially stated" anywhere I can already see a Sky is Falling moment ahead...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas-eBook-Edition
"officially stated".


I still don't see that being clarified here... what am I missing?


"The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army."

That part.


If that is taken at face value, then, GK and DW ARE indeed replaced by the new book. That statement is a throw-away I'm afraid.


I'm still confused as to how you're trying to argue that RAI they're squatting everything in the Cult Mechanicus Codex at the same time they're putting out a big Christmas launch.



I am currently of two opinions, either they are doing it because

1. Knee Jerk reaction.

2. They are claiming everything is an updated army list, when in truth only INQ and Sororitas got updated army lists and the rest are other formations - in doing so they can latch onto the claim that because some of them were not updated army lists then it is a "supplement" and does not update any army lists.


Uhh what? I assume the "they" is myself and nekooni, and for the record we both agree that only INQ and SoB got fully updated. Where we differ is our assessments of the good and reasonable 40k community... he thinks they will accept that opinion as "official", I believe the 40k community to be entirely insane and incapable of common sense if it's not stamped 'official'.

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I'm quite baffled that the first reaction to Celestine's removal for some has been "Sisters are being squatted!" and not "GW is making a great big plastic kit a la the AoS Prime for an upcoming release".

We've had GW's marketing team themselves tease plastic Sisters, and that team is actually competent now. Plastics are assuredly coming, probably as a release to be part of 8th in order to generate hype, and GW won't want to undermine sales of a flagship kit like Celestine by letting people buy her in their current Sisters push. They'll release a great big kit, probably with a wild power boost to match the increase in scale, and her brief disappearance will only serve to increase hype.

The comparison to 5th Dark Eldar made earlier in the thread is very apt.

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