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https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf

It'll be interesting to see what they do, AOSesque? War machine style? Exciting! No more silly decurions hopefully everthing will be balanced out

No more silly decurions hopefully

lol...

Silly you have you looked at AoS recently ; )
All is decurions over there. The FAQ told us that all codexes where invalidated not that they aren't releasing AoS syle groups of units that get free bonuses but are totally not formations or decurions.

Okay. This makes me feel 30% better.

On the positive side we might just end up with playable gorkanauts

From the new FAQ:
Q:Is my army still valid?
A:Yes, it certainly is! You’ll still be able to use your army in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000.
All current armies will be supported with new rules

Q:Can I still use all my models?
A:Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of
Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available
from the get go in handy, low-cost books.

So this means new rules for my struggling tyranids.

 oldzoggy wrote:

No more silly decurions hopefully

lol...

Silly you have you looked at AoS recently ; )
All is decurions over there. The FAQ told us that all codexes where invalidated not that they aren't releasing AoS syle groups of units that get free bonuses but are totally not formations or decurions.

They're not free. A decurion can be several hundred points in just formation costs.

Do you have anything else you don't know anything about you'd like to lecture on?

Yeah, no surprise there.

Clean slate is what this game needs, if someone wants to keep their currently unfathomably unbalanced codices and their content, you're welcome to keep playing 7th.

Everything they promise is exactly what people have wanted.

The thing is that not all of us want the same. Just look at all the what do you want topics. Some of us want AoSisation others like it to be 5th etc. pretty sure that a lot of wishes are mutually exclusive, and to make it worse a lot of players are horrible at actually expressing their wishes and tend to use memes that are open to interpretation..

The most stunning example might be the pis poor but popular phrase "The rules are too bloated" . We tried to have multiple discussions here on this forum but most of us disagreed on what it actually meant even those who like to use it regularly could not all agree on what it ment. And there where those who changed their opinion the moment complex additional rules where added to the game that buffed their own army..

I hate this dilemma

Ok, YES its getting rid of decurions (Despite the fact that GW said they would "Reward Themed Armies" I.E Decurions)
But NO its a Slap in the face to anyone who bought books

 oldzoggy wrote:
The thing is that not all of us want the same. Just look at all the what do you want topics. Some of us want AoSisation others like it to be 5th etc. pretty sure that a lot of wishes are mutually exclusive, and to make it worse a lot of players are horrible at actually expressing their wishes and tend to use memes that are open to interpretation..

Someone always being unhappy is no news. I guess everyone who has been around more than one edition can already see the "world is ending" threads incoming from miles away when new edition hits. Last time it was summoning, people thought it broke the game right at the start. Turns out it didn't even touch the subject of "most broken thing out there" - atleast if you ask people who have actual experience in the competitive scene.

Let's say they are atleast touching on subjects people have complained about, if not going for things people have wanted, then. Not all complaints are to be taken into account. I've seen people who claim Roboute Guilliman is the most broken thing in the game. Those people are best ignored afaic.

Basically, if you bought the books they've been releasing at an infernal rate, you're thoroughly screwed.

I personally dread that logic of free core rules and expansions, and if they latest models are still valid, it's not sure they won't go on fouling the lore up...

However if they did make a complete rebuilding of the rules, maybe there's some hope to see something overall balanced and interesting, unfortunately as oldzoggy highlighted, they claim to have taken "what people wanted" in account, which means better balance, but then it sounds like each person had it's own opinion and few actually seem to agree when it comes to what would be needed specificaly... So that even this is to be thought about with caution.

But Im truly convinced that the most important, besides the rules, is their general behavor and marketting policy. They definitly have to improve something about this...

I hope "low cost books" means printed versions. I don't like the ebooks i prefer print. I started playing 40k in 2000 with 3rd edition. And i still have all the codices and rulebooks. i like the fact that i can grab them from my bookshelf once in awhile sit in my chair or lay in bed and read in them.

 Runic wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
The thing is that not all of us want the same. Just look at all the what do you want topics. Some of us want AoSisation others like it to be 5th etc. pretty sure that a lot of wishes are mutually exclusive, and to make it worse a lot of players are horrible at actually expressing their wishes and tend to use memes that are open to interpretation..

Someone always being unhappy is no news. .

Jup this is the usual reaction to an edition change. No one likes all the changes of a 6th to 7th or a 5th to 6th edition change.
However if they actually listened to some of us they might just replace the game with something else entirely since some players do not want changes to the game they want to play an other game entirely.

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:
An AOS-style reboot of the rules (not the setting), something that encourages smaller games. Warscrol styled Dataslates, with compilation books.


I'd yell HERESY at myself.

And guess what not all of us want to just go and play an other game some of us just want to play 40k with some fixes.

nordsturmking wrote:
From the new FAQ:
Q:Is my army still valid?
A:Yes, it certainly is! You’ll still be able to use your army in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000.
All current armies will be supported with new rules

Q:Can I still use all my models?
A:Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of
Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available
from the get go in handy, low-cost books.

So this means new rules for my struggling tyranids.

I dunno this reminds me of AoS.

"Oh you can still use all your old armies but now we're renaming them and chopping them up. Also we're combining all the sides into smaller factions. Also they're mostly invalid and we're making brand new armies that are bastardized versions of your previous armies or are outright ignoring your army. Have fun sucker!"

That was the firs thought that came to mind heh. Hope that won't be the case though.

 commander dante wrote:
I hate this dilemma

Ok, YES its getting rid of decurions (Despite the fact that GW said they would "Reward Themed Armies" I.E Decurions)
But NO its a Slap in the face to anyone who bought books

Games evolve, rules become obsolete, things change etc etc. It's not a slap in anyones face, it's progress.

Jep I sure hope they don't go for the option

Here is a warscroll for each unit, they can only buy more dudes no equipment or other options, 90% of your models are now web only and will never get an update so you can all have fun AoS style.

Martel732 wrote:
Okay. This makes me feel 30% better.

I was opposed to a hard reboot from the beginning, but if they are at least releasing "low-cost" army books, I too feel better about this.
It's just a shame that I have over $600 worth of army books that are now worthless.

All i'm saying is at the end of the day GW is GW and they're not known for being good to their customers. I thought new guy was cool till Gathering storm made things more imbalanced. I mean he's no Kirby (total jerk that one) and he's more sane but i don't expect GW not to screw us over somewhat. They're better but not by enough.

At least Chaos gets new stuff even if it takes like 5 books. Dark eldar actually have a chance of getting pieced out, written off or shoved into eldar (though we don't want that last one). I mean commoragh was overrun by daemons and then turned into mostly a mandrake haven. I don't think Gathering Storm has screwed a faction harder than dark eldar. We were basically split up 3 times.

I'd say anyone who wasn't expecting their old codices to get invalidated were kidding themselves. It's not like this didn't happen with the other editions of the game, they were just getting replaced by another codex!

For my part, I'm a filthy nerd, and I love my collection of old gaming books (not just from GW). I have rulebooks from games that don't even exist anymore, never got me up in arms that they went out of being legal for play. That's just the way games go, new editions come out, old rules get thrown away. Some of them are good reads for inspiration; I'll never not love the art style of the 3rd Edition 40k rulebook...

For what it's worth, I'm worried about the placeholder lists too. I wasn't impressed with what happened on the AoS side. Maybe they've learned their lesson?

Just saying back when AoS was only a couple weeks before it came out i thought anybody would be stupid and insane to think everything was going to crap. It was a 28 year franchise and we just got the super popular End Times. Then AoS came out and it was so bare bones and so amateurishly done it was almost like an April Fools joke except it wasn't. It was bad. I haven't seen a worse handled release for any game. If video game developers pulled that they'd be crucified or burned at a cross and would realistically get death threats constantly. Video game players have no idea how privileged they are in comparison.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Jep I sure hope they don't go for the option

Here is a warscroll for each unit, they can only buy more dudes no equipment or other options, 90% of your models are now web only and will never get an update so you can all have fun AoS style.

The new TSons units in particular make me wary of this happening here too. We're only a stepping stone away from loosing our armoury...again.

 Galef wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Okay. This makes me feel 30% better.

I was opposed to a hard reboot from the beginning, but if they are at least releasing "low-cost" army books, I too feel better about this.
It's just a shame that I have over $600 worth of army books that are now worthless.

Another reason i collect and play only ba and iks.

 Runic wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
The thing is that not all of us want the same. Just look at all the what do you want topics. Some of us want AoSisation others like it to be 5th etc. pretty sure that a lot of wishes are mutually exclusive, and to make it worse a lot of players are horrible at actually expressing their wishes and tend to use memes that are open to interpretation..

Someone always being unhappy is no news. I guess everyone who has been around more than one edition can already see the "world is ending" threads incoming from miles away when new edition hits. Last time it was summoning, people thought it broke the game right at the start. Turns out it didn't even touch the subject of "most broken thing out there" - atleast if you ask people who have actual experience in the competitive scene.

I'm not sure anything ever touched that subject, from the standpoint of people with actual experience in the competitive scene...

It's only ever the casuals who are whining about builds which were OP 6 months ago and aren't even played competitively anymore.

 commander dante wrote:
I hate this dilemma

Ok, YES its getting rid of decurions (Despite the fact that GW said they would "Reward Themed Armies" I.E Decurions)
But NO its a Slap in the face to anyone who bought books

So, basically, you're saying that any time there's been an edition change over the last 25 years, it's a 'slap in the face' to people who have purchased any books.

We see this every time an edition change looms closer, and it's without a doubt the most ridiculous line of gak ever. The people purchasing the books, did so knowing full well that at -any- point in the future, they would be invalidated. Editions change, rules get updates, and old rules become obsolete. Welcome to wargaming. This is nothing new, yet every time it happens, people loose their about the books they purchased are suddenly obsolete and they have to buy new ones. Some even go so far as to say they're owed new books because they purchased previous books.

People forget that there is also fluff, artwork, and other entertainment value attached to most of these books, outside of the rules contained in them.

To the point, getting rid of seperate codecies and having all the rules for -every- army contained in a single place is a great thing. This makes it easier for the devs to update the entire ruleset in one go, and eliminates the problem we currently have of different writers helming seperate books, causing massive power imbalances.

I may be in the minority here, but for the first time in almost 2 decades, I am excited about a new edition.

 Galef wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Okay. This makes me feel 30% better.

I was opposed to a hard reboot from the beginning, but if they are at least releasing "low-cost" army books, I too feel better about this.
It's just a shame that I have over $600 worth of army books that are now worthless.

They were going to be worthless eventually.
I wonder how my IA-11 works with all this... When will Doom of Mymeara get an update - again ?

 Jambles wrote:
I'd say anyone who wasn't expecting their old codices to get invalidated were kidding themselves.

This.

I dunno, a thought such as "surely my books will remain to be valid for 2 editions" doesn't even occur to me. It's just unrealistic.

 Roknar wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Jep I sure hope they don't go for the option

Here is a warscroll for each unit, they can only buy more dudes no equipment or other options, 90% of your models are now web only and will never get an update so you can all have fun AoS style.

The new TSons units in particular make me wary of this happening here too. We're only a stepping stone away from loosing our armoury...again.

Alternatively, the entire armoury is on the datasheet instead of searching through the book for a reference.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Jep I sure hope they don't go for the option

Here is a warscroll for each unit, they can only buy more dudes no equipment or other options, 90% of your models are now web only and will never get an update so you can all have fun AoS style.

The new TSons units in particular make me wary of this happening here too. We're only a stepping stone away from loosing our armoury...again.

Alternatively, the entire armoury is on the datasheet instead of searching through the book for a reference.

That would work too. Even allows for adjusting points, but I don't see that happening lol.

 Vryce wrote:

So, basically, you're saying that any time there's been an edition change over the last 25 years, it's a 'slap in the face' to people who have purchased any books.

Nope my ork 4th edition book has been valid in 5th and 6th same goes for many other armies. It isn't that unusual for codexes to survive editions.
Not sure if it is a good thing but it sure isn't unusual