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Also, remember that statue in New York, that's a major symbol of the US? You know, the one celebrating the virtue of immigration and America being a symbol of hope to the less-fortunate?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Vermont just elected a Republican as Governor.

sirlynchmob wrote:
the IRS never went after conservative groups. It was just another trumped up and invented scandal by the GOP. so your short list is falling short of any actual factual claims

So........You're saying that WikiLeaks emails are wrong, and that a totally disproportionate number of Conservative groups were either downright denied, or just left in non-approved limbo because of random happenstance?


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 Peregrine wrote:
Also, remember that statue in New York, that's a major symbol of the US? You know, the one celebrating the virtue of immigration and America being a symbol of hope to the less-fortunate?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

You mean the statue that stands over an organized processing center for said immigrants? We're open for business, but please check out at the counter, don't use the five-finger discount.

 Breotan wrote:
Vermont just elected a Republican as Governor.

Ehhhh, Barring some extreme cases, Governors and their affiliations dont matter much IMO.
I mean, Romney very much was in the Middle, but had a R. next to their name.

Remember when Trump was asked about conceding if he lost? Hillary responded, "That's horrifying." Now Fox news has this headline.

CLINTON DECLINES TO ADDRESS SUPPORTERS AS FINAL VOTE TALLY AWAITS, CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN JOHN PODESTA TELLS CROWD 'WE'LL HAVE MORE TO SAY TOMORROW'

Stay classy, Hillary.

 Peregrine wrote:
Also, remember that statue in New York, that's a major symbol of the US? You know, the one celebrating the virtue of immigration and America being a symbol of hope to the less-fortunate?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Once Trump finds out she's French, he'll have her deported.

 d-usa wrote:
The other question for me goes to the GOP in the legislature.

They have safely repealed Obamacare over and over again, knowing that there were no consequence to their actions since it would always be vetoed.

So now what do they do?

What do you do when you've built a campaign around rejecting the idea of governance, and now you're in complete control of the ship?

I'm guessing there'll be a big tax cut for the rich, no discussion about the deficit that will cause, and probably not much else.


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 djones520 wrote:
Given the massive price hikes expected next year with the ACA, I wouldn't be surprised to see some action taken on it.

They'll make a lot of noise, pass a bill that dresses itself up as repeal and replace, and actually just puts the money in to increase the subsidies to offset the price increases.

Its over, Trump is now President-Elect Trump

 cuda1179 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
the IRS never went after conservative groups. It was just another trumped up and invented scandal by the GOP. so your short list is falling short of any actual factual claims

So........You're saying that WikiLeaks emails are wrong, and that a totally disproportionate number of Conservative groups were either downright denied, or just left in non-approved limbo because of random happenstance?

Yes, that's a pants on fire lie:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/12/were-two-thirds-groups-targeted-irs-not-conservati/

They'll talk a lot about replacing but fail to do it. They'll just kill it. Then declare mission accomplished and ignore the consequences.

Podesta came out instead of hillary, perhaps she's molting?

 cuda1179 wrote:
You mean the statue that stands over an organized processing center for said immigrants? We're open for business, but please check out at the counter, don't use the five-finger discount.

We're talking about refugees coming in through the legal process (except if they're Muslims, in which case those people), not illegal immigrants and the border wall.

President Elect Trump

The Trumpeltier has won. Amazing.

The first time I thought the Trampeltier could win was the UK exit vote.

The more I think about it the more giddy I am with excitement for watching the incoming crapshow. I mean, the GOP won and actually have to back up their promises. That those promises weren't based on reality is going to kick them so hard in the ass it might actually reach their heads!

According this trump is president
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
OMG!

Hillary concedes.

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
You mean the statue that stands over an organized processing center for said immigrants? We're open for business, but please check out at the counter, don't use the five-finger discount.

We're talking about refugees coming in through the legal process (except if they're Muslims, in which case those people), not illegal immigrants and the border wall.

As opposed to the current Administration's anti-Christian refugee stance? Christians of the Syrian conflict are seriously more likely to be the target of violence and murder, yet are denied entry into the country at significantly higher rates.

FINALLY! They've officially called it.

Now our President-elect would like to address Dakkadakka.

 sebster wrote:
I'm guessing there'll be a big tax cut for the rich, no discussion about the deficit that will cause, and probably not much else.

Well since that was Trump's budget idea not much of a leap of faith. Bad time to be anything but rich.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
the IRS never went after conservative groups. It was just another trumped up and invented scandal by the GOP. so your short list is falling short of any actual factual claims

So........You're saying that WikiLeaks emails are wrong, and that a totally disproportionate number of Conservative groups were either downright denied, or just left in non-approved limbo because of random happenstance?

Yes, that's a pants on fire lie:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/12/were-two-thirds-groups-targeted-irs-not-conservati/

The pants on fire lie is "2/3rds of the groups investigated by the IRS were not Conservative" and look at the actual article the reality is that of nearly 300 groups investigated a third of them had "Patriot" "9/11" and "tea party" in their names is the basis for the clam. I think it's a leap to assume that is every conservative group investigated has those words in their name.

This article actually says nothing about whether or not the IRS targeted conservative groups.

I think I speak for many people here- AMERICA- WHAT THE FETH HAVE YOU DONE?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think I speak for many people here- AMERICA- WHAT THE FETH HAVE YOU DONE?

Shut up dad, we don't live under your roof anymore so we don't have to follow your rules.

 sebster wrote:
I'm guessing there'll be a big tax cut for the rich, no discussion about the deficit that will cause, and probably not much else.

Unfortunately the deplorables now have a blank check to run the country: Trump, a majority in both houses of congress, and a supreme court majority once the senate rubber-stamps the next Scalia. The racists will probably get a ton of money wasted on border "security", continued obstruction of any attempt to hold the police accountable, and leave a lot of victims of ISIS looking elsewhere for a home (while simultaneously bombing their home countries). The anti-LGBT bigots will get "religious freedom" laws to endorse discrimination, "bathroom security" laws to make sure transgender people know they aren't welcome (along with less well known stuff like making it harder to get government documents changed), and probably an attempt to overturn gay marriage. If you're a middle-class straight white guy you'll probably get through the next few years ok, as long as you can keep your job. If you're a member of a vulnerable minority you have a lot to be afraid of.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think I speak for many people here- AMERICA- WHAT THE FETH HAVE YOU DONE?

We're about to find out. Should be an interesting few years.

I'm hearing that Hillary has called Trump to concede. Now it's all about local votes that may still take a day or two to become finalized.

I'm going to bed now. Talk at you guys later.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
So we started this believing the Republicans were in disarray when it looks like the Democrats will be. I think the Liberal protest votes will be the story in the next few weeks.

Well, Conservatism is revitalised, and has shown its got a really strong electoral map when it can get white working class voters out and voting for the party. However, I'd say the Republican party is in a right mess because their policy set does not mesh well with getting that white working class vote out.

 LordofHats wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
the IRS never went after conservative groups. It was just another trumped up and invented scandal by the GOP. so your short list is falling short of any actual factual claims

So........You're saying that WikiLeaks emails are wrong, and that a totally disproportionate number of Conservative groups were either downright denied, or just left in non-approved limbo because of random happenstance?

Yes, that's a pants on fire lie:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/12/were-two-thirds-groups-targeted-irs-not-conservati/

The pants on fire lie is "2/3rds of the groups investigated by the IRS were not Conservative" and look at the actual article the reality is that of nearly 300 groups investigated a third of them had "Patriot" "9/11" and "tea party" in their names is the basis for the clam. I think it's a leap to assume that is every conservative group investigated has those words in their name.

This article actually says nothing about whether or not the IRS targeted conservative groups.

exactly, the IRS never tartgeted conservative groups. They were just doing their jobs like they always do.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think I speak for many people here- AMERICA- WHAT THE FETH HAVE YOU DONE?

We just went through another non-violent revolution.

Keep Calm and Chive On.

 Breotan wrote:
Remember when Trump was asked about conceding if he lost? Hillary responded, "That's horrifying." Now Fox news has this headline.

CLINTON DECLINES TO ADDRESS SUPPORTERS AS FINAL VOTE TALLY AWAITS, CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN JOHN PODESTA TELLS CROWD 'WE'LL HAVE MORE TO SAY TOMORROW'

Stay classy, Hillary.

Since this was 10 minutes ago and she's already called Trump to concede, you probably managed to call her a hypocrite for refusing to concede while she was literally on the phone doing that.