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So I'm looking for the cheapest way to fill up a 4x4 with Necromunda terrain. I have a pile of broken computer parts, some foam core, etc. but ithat's pretty work intensive and with the current temp in MI being -5 I dont think I'll get to the garage much to finish it for now. So are there some kids toys with similar scale or really good junk pieces that you've found worked well for necromunda terrain?

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The best advice I can offer is to check local thrift stores and secondhand building supply stores (like Habitat for Humanity or Ecocycle). While toys can work, there's all kinds of junk out there that makes for great terrain with little or no modification beyond a coat of primer & paint. You may also find bits and parts for making more advanced terrain when the weather warms up and you can go back to work in the garage.

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More dressing than terrain in and of itself, but the pumps out of liquid soap dispensers make great chimneys. I used one on the right hand building below.




There is also the great stand by of tin cans. Put them on a base and you can have them leaking. Put a CD on top and have it as a landing platform for some small personal flyer thingy or a fortified lookout post.

Also some cheap plastic central heating tube and fittings can make great scatter terrain by adding suitably shaped bottles.


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Buy a G.I.Joe vehicle lot on ebay or so. Incomplete vehicle hulls are relatively cheap and full of so called "tech detail" that could be very useful.

 
   
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Ooh. If you want multi tier terrain on the cheap, what about a flat pack cake stand?

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How cheap and easy are you talking?

you could get a lot of base floor variety from pvc pipes and a can of spray paint.

alternatively go to the local toy shop/dollar store with a model and check the scale.

army men jeeps, industrial toys and stuff like that.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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Toy garages work well.

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Those plastic tubs you get strawberries in are a delicious way to get vitamins, minerals, and cheap wargaming terrain. For something bigger the ones you get salad mix in would work great. They all have enough ridges to be interesting, and a textured spraypaint can add even more detail.

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My problem with that kind of packaging is how flimsy it is. It's probably a irrational position but I like my scenery not to bend when simply touched

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You can also get cheap plaster and pour into containers like that if they don't have drain holes.
   
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 Chamberlain wrote:
You can also get cheap plaster and pour into containers like that if they don't have drain holes.


Or take the effort to seal it up if it's got a shape you like, rub the inside down with baby oil, pour in plaster and start mass producing the things.

Honestly, just start paying attention to the insides of packaging and containers in general. Turn that negative space positive and you can make all sorts of things.

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My first terrain project ever (decades ago) was cheap cellulose plaster (the lowest end of powder drywall compound) poured into an ice cube tray that had nice sharp angles instead of the usually round. Made great tank traps or concrete barriers once painted grey and washed.

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 Chamberlain wrote:
My first terrain project ever (decades ago) was cheap cellulose plaster (the lowest end of powder drywall compound) poured into an ice cube tray that had nice sharp angles instead of the usually round. Made great tank traps or concrete barriers once painted grey and washed.



Honestly, I'm suprised nobody has started buying cheap silicone ice cube trays and candy molds, rebranding them, and selling them to the wargaming hobby as an infinite DIY modular terrain kit.










I found those in 30 seconds by searching for "silicone mold" on Amazon. Just get a bunch of shapes and some casting resin and go nuts.

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I was looking to stick with plastic, I bought a few MDF kits and was generally unimpressed. I like the idea of toy garages, PVC, misc junk lying around. Does anyone have pictures of their junk creations for reference?

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Here's a few ideas to help with barricades and random junk piles that will add more cover to your table and also look good. If the scale looks off you can fix that by removing whatever is forcing scale perspective (like an HO ladder for instance). A hobby knife, pliers, and a small hammer can turn a broken toy into multiple pieces of decent looking terrain after adding some random Imperial Guard or Space Marine equipment to bring the scale up to "heroic scale" 28MM. .

Craigslist / eBay- search for O-scale trains and buildings. I just searched for "junk model trains O scale" on eBay and found these auctions:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marx-Postwar-Junk-lot-of-3-cars/122904585666?hash=item1c9daf25c2:g:ES0AAOSwp7FaVBO8

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marx-Junk-Lot-2-Various-Marx-Shells-for-Parts-or-Refurbish/232627788320?hash=item3629b25a20:g:ly8AAOSwALhaV~Ol

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-HO-and-O-Scale-Train-Parts-Buildings-Bridges-Accessories-Etc/253317543370?hash=item3afae6f5ca:g:3poAAOSw0TxZaTBM (This one is so cool I might bid on it myself )

Also searched for "broken model airplane" and found this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Model-Airplane-for-parts/232621112006?hash=item36294c7ac6:g:A6wAAOSwHYpaPXwq

Search for "model car kits lot" came up with these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-RARE-MODEL-WHEEL-PART-KIT-JUNKYARD-VINTAGE-RAT-ROD-RESIN-CAR-BUMBER-BODY/263424624132?hash=item3d5554c604:g:6TYAAOSwoFVaUnnl

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-LOT-RARE-MODEL-BODY-PART-KIT-JUNKYARD-VINTAGE-RAT-ROD-CAR-FORD-dodge-chevy/253356253243?hash=item3afd35a03b:g:1moAAOSweLBaUp2U

..plus many more just like those.

Also search for military models that are 1/32 or 1/48 scale. In my opinion 1/32 is the closest match for 28mm scale but it really depends on how you use things.

Craigslist is hit or miss but I've scored large boxes of broken models for free.

Your local Salvo / Goodwill (or any 2nd hand thrift shop) likely has a toy section that could have some treasures. I particularly like Micro-Machines, they scale up quickly when you add a few other GW parts on them, and frequently they are good to go as is. Toys like fire engines, space vehicles, etc are also excellent choices.

Yard sales (especially the free pile) is a massive resource for me in the summer. I know that doesn't help right now but good info for future reference.

Just a heads up on plastics- stay away from "soft" plastics like straws, bottle caps (like soda, milk, etc), lids like coffee cans, lots more that don't immediately come to mind but you get the idea. The reason I say avoid them is because they don't hold paint well and are difficult to glue to anything. Opinions differ but in my experience I'd rather put time into models I know aren't going to flake paint and come apart at the seams.

Another thing I'd avoid is styrofoam. I know it looks really cool sometimes but it's difficult to work with (paint and glue specifically) and very easy to damage.

Hope this helps.


Re: post from supreme overlord, yes:











Random bits of junk and a few GW parts for scale / relevance goes a long way.





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 supreme overlord wrote:
...Does anyone have pictures of their junk creations for reference?


Here's some buildings I made for Dropzone Commander (the walker pictured for scale is about the size of a regular space marine). I'm still working on getting things painted, so I don't have any completed photos. Let me know if you have any questions.


Spoiler'd because there's lots of them.
Spoiler:


Laboratories
Made out of computer chip boxes with 40k bits and pins from locks (IC format core) with acrylic tube chimneys.




Gardens Under Forcefields
A clear acrylic Christmas ornament currently sitting on a 1/16" acrylic sheet base. The inside will be finished with turf/flock. I imagined that the forcefield is semi-permeable, so no doors were needed. A fun little side project done purely for flavor and visual interest.




Cooling Stations
A small Tupperware container cut into three pieces on the band saw. Acrylic rods across the tops connect curtain rings. The disks in the middle of the curtain rings are old game pieces for checkers. The sides were finished with card stock cut by hand.




Pump Houses
Made from electrical wiring hardware with PVA pipes attached the the ends and checkers on top. The roofs are finished with finished with card stock cut by hand.




Terrestrial Communications Buildings
Electrical boxes with the mounting brackets cut off. Clear acrylic rod antennae finished with a modified rook on the roof. Panels are card stock cut by hand.




IT/AI Building
Electric box topped with a disposable mount used to hold paper towels in a commercial dispenser. The center is a small sample bottle with a cone-shaped interior (I have no idea what it's for, but it looks neat). The large door is a 40k bit and the panels are card stock cut by hand.




Executive Hab Unit
A very old electrical box flipped upside down. The hole at the top was covered in foam core and half of a clear acrylic Christmas ornament was mounted on top. Like the gardens, the inside will be finished with foam/flock. The panels are sheet acrylic. The windows are two layers of card stock that was created on the Silhouette (lots of buildings will have these). The roof around the dome is finished the same as the bases, which I figured would make it look like a garden from the air (reasonable camo in a Dropfleet era). Acrylic tubing was used in the deep recesses on the side. Other bits are from 40k.




Worker Hab Units
Clear grocery packaging reinforced with spray foam. The tops were covered acrylic sheet and the edges caulked and finished in the same way as the base. A clear acrylic Christmas ornament was used for the dome that will be finished with foam and flock in a garden theme. Windows are two layers of card stock cut with the Silhouette.




Water Treatment Facilities
Made from a single clear grocery package that was cut in half, which is why they mirror each other. The side was created with cardboard from a food package, a clear bottle that was cut in half on the band saw, and some plastic tubing. The roof details are knights from a chess set with freehand card stock panels.




Orbital Communications Center
Definitely one of the more unusual pieces. It is an old hairdryer that had its guts removed and met its demise on my band saw. The vent on one side was filled in with Milliput rolled into a sheet. It will be painted to look like windows. The antenna in the middle is an old Dremel collet with an acrylic rod glued in the middle. The orange ball is a dog toy. Part of a small product container was used as the water tank at the end. One of my favorites.




Power Plants
Powdered drink containers glued to a base opposite a small Tupperware. This format was experimental because I imagined that the two parts are connected underground which allowed for lines of site & cover between them. The drink container has pawns from a chess set on the sides and is topped with piece of PVA & acrylic pipe. It's been finished to look like the base. The window is two layers of card stock cut on the Silhouette. PVA pipe also sticks out the side and is ringed with dried spray foam. The green Tupperware is topped with a checker with a 40k bit on the side.




Factories
Two electrical power boxes glued to the same base with bits from 40k, the knights from a chess set, dispensing tubes from glue bottles (the blue things on the roofs), various acrylic rods, PVA pipes coming out of the back and card stock panels cut by hand. I like them because the remind me of steam engines, which seems appropriate.




Large Factories
Electrical boxes with the kings from a chess set, sample bottles (no idea how they'll be finished), card stock details, acrylic rods, PVC pipe, and some 40k bits.




Large Power Stations
Another fun experiment with line of sight. Similar to the regular power plants, but the green Tupperware was replaced with a small electrical box finished off with 40k bits, tubing & piping, card stock cut on the Silhouette, and the queens from the chess set (with clear acrylic rods drilled into them so that they look like small kings).




Solar Arrays
Clear acrylic sheet held up with the bishops from a chess set with a Tupperware container that's topped with a checker and finished with 40k bits and a PVA pipe.




Mega Factory
An electrical box with the mounting hardware removed with a band saw. Topped with a checker and two modified rooks from the chess set. It's connected to a now-familiar tower in the back via tubing and finished off with 40 bits and PVA pipe. Side panels are food packaging cut by hand. This thing is a monster!




PHR Headquarters
It's made from an inverted electrical box, topped with a scrap of 1/8" acrylic sheet, topped with a plastic drinking cup, topped with the lid from an iced tea bottle, topped with the metal grate from the now-dismembered hairdryer that was filled in with Milliput to look like windows. The ends are an insert from a Keurig coffee maker that was cut in half. Finished with all manner of card stock panels and 40k and other scale model bits. The prominent architectural detail overlooking the landing pad is the handle to a disposable razor that's finished on the end with a PHR walker waist, machine gun, and flamer. The PHR flourish details on the side of the glass are made from scrap wood cut in the shape of a french curve.




Orbital Defense Gun
This thing is just crazy big for 10mm scale (over 29 inches tall). It was made out of various forms of food packaging, the tube from a roll of aluminum foil reinforced with bamboo skewers, some Tupperware containers, customized 40k bits, card stock cut on a Silhouette for panels & windows, various electrical bits, and just an incredible amount of spray foam and expletives.




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 Nodri wrote:
 supreme overlord wrote:
...Does anyone have pictures of their junk creations for reference?


Here's some buildings I made for Dropzone Commander (the walker pictured for scale is about the size of a regular space marine). I'm still working on getting things painted, so I don't have any completed photos. Let me know if you have any questions.


Spoiler'd because there's lots of them.
Spoiler:


Laboratories
Made out of computer chip boxes with 40k bits and pins from locks (IC format core) with acrylic tube chimneys.




Gardens Under Forcefields
A clear acrylic Christmas ornament currently sitting on a 1/16" acrylic sheet base. The inside will be finished with turf/flock. I imagined that the forcefield is semi-permeable, so no doors were needed. A fun little side project done purely for flavor and visual interest.




Cooling Stations
A small Tupperware container cut into three pieces on the band saw. Acrylic rods across the tops connect curtain rings. The disks in the middle of the curtain rings are old game pieces for checkers. The sides were finished with card stock cut by hand.




Pump Houses
Made from electrical wiring hardware with PVA pipes attached the the ends and checkers on top. The roofs are finished with finished with card stock cut by hand.




Terrestrial Communications Buildings
Electrical boxes with the mounting brackets cut off. Clear acrylic rod antennae finished with a modified rook on the roof. Panels are card stock cut by hand.




IT/AI Building
Electric box topped with a disposable mount used to hold paper towels in a commercial dispenser. The center is a small sample bottle with a cone-shaped interior (I have no idea what it's for, but it looks neat). The large door is a 40k bit and the panels are card stock cut by hand.




Executive Hab Unit
A very old electrical box flipped upside down. The hole at the top was covered in foam core and half of a clear acrylic Christmas ornament was mounted on top. Like the gardens, the inside will be finished with foam/flock. The panels are sheet acrylic. The windows are two layers of card stock that was created on the Silhouette (lots of buildings will have these). The roof around the dome is finished the same as the bases, which I figured would make it look like a garden from the air (reasonable camo in a Dropfleet era). Acrylic tubing was used in the deep recesses on the side. Other bits are from 40k.




Worker Hab Units
Clear grocery packaging reinforced with spray foam. The tops were covered acrylic sheet and the edges caulked and finished in the same way as the base. A clear acrylic Christmas ornament was used for the dome that will be finished with foam and flock in a garden theme. Windows are two layers of card stock cut with the Silhouette.




Water Treatment Facilities
Made from a single clear grocery package that was cut in half, which is why they mirror each other. The side was created with cardboard from a food package, a clear bottle that was cut in half on the band saw, and some plastic tubing. The roof details are knights from a chess set with freehand card stock panels.




Orbital Communications Center
Definitely one of the more unusual pieces. It is an old hairdryer that had its guts removed and met its demise on my band saw. The vent on one side was filled in with Milliput rolled into a sheet. It will be painted to look like windows. The antenna in the middle is an old Dremel collet with an acrylic rod glued in the middle. The orange ball is a dog toy. Part of a small product container was used as the water tank at the end. One of my favorites.




Power Plants
Powdered drink containers glued to a base opposite a small Tupperware. This format was experimental because I imagined that the two parts are connected underground which allowed for lines of site & cover between them. The drink container has pawns from a chess set on the sides and is topped with piece of PVA & acrylic pipe. It's been finished to look like the base. The window is two layers of card stock cut on the Silhouette. PVA pipe also sticks out the side and is ringed with dried spray foam. The green Tupperware is topped with a checker with a 40k bit on the side.




Factories
Two electrical power boxes glued to the same base with bits from 40k, the knights from a chess set, dispensing tubes from glue bottles (the blue things on the roofs), various acrylic rods, PVA pipes coming out of the back and card stock panels cut by hand. I like them because the remind me of steam engines, which seems appropriate.




Large Factories
Electrical boxes with the kings from a chess set, sample bottles (no idea how they'll be finished), card stock details, acrylic rods, PVC pipe, and some 40k bits.




Large Power Stations
Another fun experiment with line of sight. Similar to the regular power plants, but the green Tupperware was replaced with a small electrical box finished off with 40k bits, tubing & piping, card stock cut on the Silhouette, and the queens from the chess set (with clear acrylic rods drilled into them so that they look like small kings).




Solar Arrays
Clear acrylic sheet held up with the bishops from a chess set with a Tupperware container that's topped with a checker and finished with 40k bits and a PVA pipe.




Mega Factory
An electrical box with the mounting hardware removed with a band saw. Topped with a checker and two modified rooks from the chess set. It's connected to a now-familiar tower in the back via tubing and finished off with 40 bits and PVA pipe. Side panels are food packaging cut by hand. This thing is a monster!




PHR Headquarters
It's made from an inverted electrical box, topped with a scrap of 1/8" acrylic sheet, topped with a plastic drinking cup, topped with the lid from an iced tea bottle, topped with the metal grate from the now-dismembered hairdryer that was filled in with Milliput to look like windows. The ends are an insert from a Keurig coffee maker that was cut in half. Finished with all manner of card stock panels and 40k and other scale model bits. The prominent architectural detail overlooking the landing pad is the handle to a disposable razor that's finished on the end with a PHR walker waist, machine gun, and flamer. The PHR flourish details on the side of the glass are made from scrap wood cut in the shape of a french curve.




Orbital Defense Gun
This thing is just crazy big for 10mm scale (over 29 inches tall). It was made out of various forms of food packaging, the tube from a roll of aluminum foil reinforced with bamboo skewers, some Tupperware containers, customized 40k bits, card stock cut on a Silhouette for panels & windows, various electrical bits, and just an incredible amount of spray foam and expletives.





Good grief sir... Not only are you disgustingly talented, but prolific as well. Those are amazing. Thanks for sharing.

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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Try looking for Playskool brand playsets. They’re rugged plastic, come in a huge variety of buildings, and just so happen to fit 28mm scale. There’s often a lack of detail, but after being primed and painted over they look pretty good, especially if you add things like flock and basing.

It’s the best way to add the Batcave, a Fire Department or a McDonalds to your table for pretty cheap:
   
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 Flinty wrote:

Good grief sir... Not only are you disgustingly talented, but prolific as well. Those are amazing. Thanks for sharing.


You're very welcome!

It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with having fun. Anyone can do it - you just have to be the right kind of crazy.

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 Nodri wrote:
 Flinty wrote:

Good grief sir... Not only are you disgustingly talented, but prolific as well. Those are amazing. Thanks for sharing.


You're very welcome!

It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with having fun. Anyone can do it - you just have to be the right kind of crazy.


Hah, thing is even when I was super active on terrain, I was too much of a mumpty to "see" these things. If someone else did it, it was brilliant - but never could come up with most of these on my own.

I do have to ask, though - what the heck kind of chess set was that?

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 Infantryman wrote:

Hah, thing is even when I was super active on terrain, I was too much of a mumpty to "see" these things. If someone else did it, it was brilliant - but never could come up with most of these on my own.

I do have to ask, though - what the heck kind of chess set was that?



The chess & checker pieces I used were found jumbled together in a bag for about $4 at a local thrift store. Where they came from originally, I have no idea.

As far as being able to "see" terrain goes, I may be able to offer some help. When I first stated making terrain, I was originally afraid that I'd just be making new garbage out of old garbage. I started paying attention to other people's terrain while gaming locally and had a realization. Most players put minimal if any effort into terrain. Since I was willing to put in the effort by digging through thrift stores for cool junk and hacking it to bits for fun, whatever I made would probably be better than most other tables I'd played on. This eliminated the fear of failure, which allowed the creative juices to flow. YMMV, but it worked very well for me.

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 Nodri wrote:
 Infantryman wrote:

Hah, thing is even when I was super active on terrain, I was too much of a mumpty to "see" these things. If someone else did it, it was brilliant - but never could come up with most of these on my own.

I do have to ask, though - what the heck kind of chess set was that?



The chess & checker pieces I used were found jumbled together in a bag for about $4 at a local thrift store. Where they came from originally, I have no idea.

As far as being able to "see" terrain goes, I may be able to offer some help. When I first stated making terrain, I was originally afraid that I'd just be making new garbage out of old garbage. I started paying attention to other people's terrain while gaming locally and had a realization. Most players put minimal if any effort into terrain. Since I was willing to put in the effort by digging through thrift stores for cool junk and hacking it to bits for fun, whatever I made would probably be better than most other tables I'd played on. This eliminated the fear of failure, which allowed the creative juices to flow. YMMV, but it worked very well for me.


you sir are a terrain genius and I admire your skills, Exalted! do you have anything in 28mm scale?

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Go to a thrift / second hand store. Find the electronic section. Buy old telephone units / printers/ giant calculators any old tech junk of size. Take it home and disassemble it, you'll find all sorts of neat components and things inside. You can rearrange them and create some neat industrial looking stuff with a halfway decent paintjob.
   
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 supreme overlord wrote:
..you sir are a terrain genius and I admire your skills, Exalted! do you have anything in 28mm scale?


Terrain genius huh? That's going on my resume!

I'm sorry, but I don't have anything in 28mm as far as buildings go - I only made them because Dropzone Commander is primarily an urban game. The principles of construction are the same regardless of scale, so I hope you still find the information valuable. I do, however, have a lot of rocks, hillls, arches, etc. that were made for my magnetic lava table that are independent of scale.

Spoiler'd for the same reason as before (except there's more). The walker is about the size of a standard space marine; the infantry are 10mm tall. In these images, the terrain pieces have been built and primed black. They have been painted since these photos were taken, but I don't have any updated pictures yet. You can also check my dakka gallery for more WIP stuff and some pics of other projects. As always, let me know if you have questions and I'll do what I can to help.
Spoiler:

Here's the table. The color appears a little less vibrant than it really is because the gloss surface is hard to photograph. The entire thing has been covered in sheet metal. Magnets have been installed in all terrain pieces (and my PHR army) to make everything more playable.


Here's a detail photo of one of the table ends with the unholy dice god turn counter. The colors here are true to life.




I posted this on the Hawk Wargames forum last year. Hopefully you find it useful. -

<snip>...As you'll see below, things definitely got way out of hand and maybe even a little weird. Buying raw materials in hardware store quantities meant that I was free to experiment and I therefore created a lot more pieces than had been planned on initially. I came up with a basic technique for making a terrain feature and then modified it over and over just to see what would happen. Some of it may work out well and some of it may not. As always, your feedback is appreciated.

Everything is based on the idea of using a refrigerator door for a gaming surface and treating the terrain features & buildings as fridge magnets. There are magnets in every base and every flat surface (including ramps) has an underlay of sheet metal. The different pieces are designed to be stacked on top of one another to make the play surface as modular as possible.

As per usual, this wouldn't be a proper update without some new tutorials. I will follow them up with a bunch of photos detailing the process so far (over 80 photos in total). Also as per usual, this will be a long post. Not just sorta long, but really really long, even by my standards.

Before we begin, I ask you to read these tutorials with your own designs in mind. While I'm building a lava table, it would be very easy to paint the hills brown instead of black and to add a few patches of flock (or snow!) for a completely different look. These tutorials are written with the intent of being a springboard for your own creations.


Enjoy.


How to Make Modular Wargaming Terrain


I think the best place to start is with the humble hill. To begin, I cut a rough hill shape out of a piece of 1" insulation foam and then made two copies. They were then stacked on top of a base made from 1/8" hardboard (or similar).

The position of the ramp was then measured out. Hawk allows for a maximum incline of 45°, but I found 25°- 35° to be ideal. If the angle is steeper, models may fall over. If it's shallower, too much of the hill is taken up by the ramp.




I then glued all three pieces of foam together using Loctite Foamboard Construction Adhesive (photos later in this tutorial). I used regular liquid nails in the pic below and later settled on the foamboard adhesive because it's water based and cleanup is infinitely easier.

Once glued, I filled an old 1 gallon jug with water and set it on top of the foam to press the foam pieces together. The foam was allowed to dry overnight.

I then carved the rough shape of the ramp with a serrated knife and smoothed it with an old rasp. Carving foam is insanely messy and you will get bits of foam everywhere. Keep a vacuum cleaner handy.




Now things start to get interesting. One of the things that drives me nuts about the paper urban terrain is that everyone just hides behind buildings and things can get repetitive or worse, boring. I therefore wanted to break up terrain features so that there would be lots more opportunities for lines of sight and for cover.

I decided to carve out the inside of the hill and add a hole in the top that will be covered in granny grate. Models can now travel through or engage in combat on top of and inside the hill. Definitely not boring






I then used tin snips to cut out sheet metal in the shape of the top of the hill and of the ramp.




A piece of granny grate was then cut to fit the hole in the foam. I made a frame out of card stock to finish the border.




I then cut out the base. I decided to hollow out the center to allow the hot lava of the tabletop to show through.




I then glued the foam to the base with foamboard adhesive.




The sheet metal & granny grate were given a final dry fit. While not pictured here, I also drilled out holes for 1/2" x 1/4" craft magnets (There is a photo later - I found them at Home Depot for less than $6 for 40. They're a lifesaver for magnetizing terrain!).




The sheet metal & granny grate were then glued in place with liquid nails and clamped. I used liquid nails because it's rated for use with metal. Painters caulk was applied around the edges.




When the glue dried, painters caulk was stippled to the sheet metal with an old brush. Water was added to thin it a bit. Caulking will allow future layers of texture paste to better adhere to the metal.




Pumice stones from the local garden center were washed and glued to the base with foamboard adhesive. Foamboard adhesive was also applied to any remaining cracks in the foam and the entire surface was given a generous coat of painters caulk slightly thinned with water. Again, this will improve adhesion of the later texture paste.




I then used an old coffee grinder ($10 at a local thrift store) to grind up chunks of cork sheet. I then mixed the ground cork with diluted PVA glue and applied it around the edges of the model to begin to add texture.




Nodri's DIY Texture Paste Recipe

Texture paste is expensive. Here's how to make it on the cheap.
1/2 Cup Baking Soda
3 Tbs. PVA Glue
2 Tbs. Acrylic or Latex Paint
3 Tbs. Water
10-15 Total Tbs. Fine/Medium/Coarse Ballast/Sand/Gritty Stuff

Mix everything together in a bowl and stir until you get a smooth texture. When you think you're done mixing, mix more and then keep mixing. If the mixture seems too thick, add water. If it's not sticking to the surface, add PVA. If you want a creamier paste, add a little extra baking soda. Everything is flexible.

I used only medium & fine grits on the tops of hills to minimize the distance between magnets and sheet metal. Coarse ballast was mixed in to the fine and medium to be used on the sides. On some of the hot lava features, I only used about 10 tbs. of fine ballast (it comes out like Vallejo Sandy Paste) with 3 extra tbs. of baking soda. The best part of this recipe is that it's as cheap as it is flexible.




Here's the hill with texture paste applied.




The texture paste was then sealed with two coats of diluted PVA glue. In this photo, you can see the position of the magnets. Once dried, the bottom of the base was sanded with a power sander using coarse grit sandpaper. This was done to remove any drips from the bottom of the base.




The hill was then given a coat of black spray primer. The final result is a fairly lightweight, durable, and versatile piece of terrain.




Here's the same technique applied to a bridge support. I added doors to the bridge support (and two large bridges, more on that later) to give infantry more movement options. Here's the same process as above (but abbreviated a bit) on a smaller piece of terrain.

First the foam is cut, stacked, glued with foamboard adhesive, and allowed to dry while being pressed beneath a gallon of water. A sheet of metal was then attached with liquid nails and also allowed do dry overnight beneath a gallon of water. The resulting brick was then carved into shape.




A door and pumice stones were added. The cracks were then sealed with foamboard adhesive.




The entire piece was then given a generous coat of painters caulk. After the caulk was dry, it was finished with cork and texture paste, sealed with PVA glue, and then painted as above.




The same basic process was used to create boulder fields. In this case, sheet cork was glued directly to a base with foamboard glue. Pumice stones were then added and the cork was topped with sheet metal. The boulder fields were then finished as above.




For craters and hot lava features, I first glued foam and pumice stones to a base with foamboard adhesive.




I then covered the piece with drywall compound. Don't worry about making it perfect, just make sure that the gaps get filled. Apply in thin layers to minimize cracking while drying. You can always add more (or remove it) if needed.




I then use a sanding block and damp towel to smooth out the joint compound and give the final texture. The crater was then finished with texture paste, PVA glue, and painted as above.




The same method was used to make arches and spires. The landing areas on the larger arch were made with 1/8" foam core, covered in sheet metal, and finished as above.






To add hot lava drips or pools, apply undiluted PVA glue to a sealed (but not primed) terrain feature. Allow the terrain piece to dry and add additional layers as needed. On average, 3-5 layers are needed to build up a decent pool or drip of hot lava.




Then apply texture paste around the hot lava drips. This will help to push them into the terrain feature to make it look more natural.




Then seal the whole thing with diluted PVA glue as before.




As you may have guessed by now, I've also made bridges. Combined with the hollow hills, bridges will allow for a "sinking city" sort of terrain board with lots of different levels. Three sizes were constructed, and all are basically just sheet metal glued directly to a hard base.

The small footpaths were covered in texture paste to look like pieces of cooled lava.




Medium bridges were covered in granny grate and edged with 1/4" tubing.




Large bridges were covered in granny grate, edged in 1/2" tubing, and had doors installed at the middle and end pieces (not pictured here, but can be seen in the painted images later). The doors allow the bridge to be treated as a building (meaning it can contain infantry / objectives and can also be destroyed without using house rules).




I made smoke markers out of scraps of spray foam (I sprayed out the remnants of cans while filling buildings). The foam was glued to bases made of craft magnets glued into bits of a paint stirring stick. Foamboard adhesive was then stippled all over with a damp brush.




Since I ran out of PVA glue (there's a shortage around here for some reason), I diluted wood glue with water to apply coarse model railroad foam to the bases. I allowed the glue to dry and applied a few additional layers to secure the foam in place. Once painted, the smoke plumes can be placed on any surface to denote soft cover.

As a side note, DO NOT use wood glue in place of PVA in the texture paste recipe. I tried it and the wood glue reacted with the baking soda. The solids and liquid separated into an unusable mess and all of the ingredients I used were completely wasted. :cry:




Larger pieces of scrap spray foam were cut into 1" high pieces and glued to hardboard bases for use as destroyed markers. Centerpiece destroyed markers (for the PHR Headquarters, Mega Factory, and Orbital Defense Gun) were magnetized for use as regular terrain features when the centerpiece buildings aren't in play. I plan to paint the foam as hot lava so it looks like the lava bubbles left over from when the structure has collapsed into the surface of the planet.




Texture paste was then applied and the foam was given a generous stippling of painters caulk diluted slightly with water.




Everything was then sealed with diluted PVA glue. The bases were sanded smooth with coarse sandpaper mounted on a power sander. If you don't have a power sander, be extra careful to clean the bases as you go. Once the glue & ballast mix dries, it's very tough and it will wear out sandpaper (and your arms) very quickly. It takes some elbow grease to clean up the bases with a pad sander. I can't imagine doing it by hand.




The destroyed markers were then primed black and a code written on the bottom that corresponds to a specific building. The letter notes the size (T=Tiny, S=Small, M=Medium, L=Large., C=Centerpiece, Etc.= Miscellaneous) and the number is tied to a specific building.




I also made some very straight pieces out of hardboard, magnets, and texture paste. They're designed to mark lines (like when you start a game in the corner or mark a defensive perimeter). The could also be used as very small bridges.




One of the more unique additions are door tokens. The idea came about after putting doors on arches and bridge supports. With door tokens, players can turn any terrain feature into a building or mark out an underground passage. They were made by gluing doors (see previous tutorial) to old Warhammer Fantasy bases and covering them in texture paste.




Regular game tokens (objective, intel, focal point, etc.) were made out of old Warhammer Fantasy & 40k bases. There will also be some "Underground" tokens to allow units to move through hills without having to actually place them beneath the terrain feature.

The bases were sanded smooth, filled with drywall compound, sanded smooth again, and then sealed with dilute PVA glue (at least two coats over the drywall compound), and primed black. I then traced the bases over adhesive felt to make a nice a nice finishing touch to the bottoms. I'll peel and stick the felt after the tokens are painted.






Bunkers were made out of prescription bottles glued to hardboard bases. Pumice stones were then glued on and the whole piece was covered in painter's caulk and then texture paste. The headquarters bunker has an antenna and some 40k bits on top. The other bunkers have a magnetized PHR Taranis misssle pod (they're now included with the Bombards, so I had spares) and have a small piece of sheet metal glued to the roof.




I made large flat pieces out of sheet steel glued directly to hardboard. Three 1/2" craft magnets have been installed in each piece. They're designed to be used as bases for smaller terrain features.





That's it for the tutorial portion of this post. What follows is the gallery of completed pieces.



2-Part Centerpiece Hill



Big Hills







Medium Hills











Boulder Fields



Arches





Cool Craters



Small Hills









Dripping Lava Tables





Hot Lava Features














Cool Lava Features











Bridge Supports











Bridges








Happy terrain making!


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Oh wow thats cool. just how tough is alex acrylic caulk?

im doing a similar thing but using liquid nails instead which im having curing issues with a different project.


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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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W00t. A local playgroup just folded, which is sad, but it means that I scored a massive box of construction thingies. They look nice and industrial. I just need to work out how best to make them look like industrial platforms. I've still got plenty of 2mm pc sheet and I was wondering what to do with it but I think that problem has just been solved






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Just did a bit of fiddling. Amazingly, the cube blocks are basically 1.5" a side meaning if I stack them or just use the oblong blocks they will natively fit into the 3" heights of the buildings I've made already! Even more score. Half height levels and ramped catwalks here I come

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 Desubot wrote:
Oh wow thats cool. just how tough is alex acrylic caulk?

im doing a similar thing but using liquid nails instead which im having curing issues with a different project.



Acrylic caulk is plenty strong for terrain making (it is a construction material after all). It's particularly useful because it bonds to a huge variety of surfaces and cleans up with water. The more I use it, the more uses I find for it.


Great haul Flinty! There's lots of potential in that box.

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