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It was available On Demand so rented it this weekend. Not quite Imax like I originally planned, but I do have an 80 inch TV with a $1500 Martin Logan soundbar.

I have to admit, maybe it was kinda more my mood, or maybe it was from being spoiled, but I felt like I was being too critical out of the gate. Maybe it was rushing over the whole Asgardian stuff that annoyed me (I knew this is how the movie would start out, but Thor is one of my favorite characters and wiping out that part of the MCU has never been something I appreciated). Loki's death felt hollow, especially for a character who has been in so many movies. And once that was rushed through, I didn't feel much of a loss for others as that happened. Just felt like stage props.

Stark and Dr Strange were awesome. I really, really hope these two get more screen time being sarcastic with each other. As a matter of fact, if the original Avengers were to disappear, Dr Strange may be my favorite character. Cumberbatch is doing an amazing job with him.

HATE the nano suits. From Black Panther to Iron Man to Spiderman. I know its an evolution of the costumes, saves time and kids prob think its cool, but I hate them. Forming guns or spider legs from nothing is just too much for me.

Loved the Guardians. They are my favorite team. I was immediately reminded about the whole James Gunn thing and how disappointed I am with that. I am sure Marvel will manage to carry on and put out a decent Guardians 3 film, but I would have preferred Gunn's interpretation. I am probably one of the few who thinks Guardians 2 was better than 1, and would have loved to see how that team evolved under his story.

There was a lot going on in Infinity War, and I don't want to sound critical of how fast things went, as I totally get what this took and it was amazing that Marvel even pulled it off. To have so many movies come down to this is truly impressive. I did feel like I wanted more Captain America and so on, and I know we still have one more film to go to conclude this story, so hopefully I get it. I also had a hard time hearing everything everyone was saying. Sometimes I had to back up and play it over using closed captions to be sure.

I am not ready to let these characters go. I really wish they would go on forever. And the worst part I felt while watching the film was that I almost felt like I was watching the MCU jump the shark. While I have been amazed with Ant Man, Guardians, Dr Strange and so on, I am not sure how you top this. Both in story and character count. To try to beat it would seem like trying too hard, and to not have more at stake would be a let down. But I guess we'll see. I just can't imagine a Marvel Universe without Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor, so I hope they all don't die. I also are aware that going forward there will be a push for more diversity in the MCU and I hope its not pandering and forced.

They have really set the bar high with this. The ending was brilliant and the best anyone could do knowing that there are sequels out there for some of the characters who turned to dust.

Since the movie rental was good for 3 days I just played it over and over again over the weekend until I was sick of seeing it on the TV. Didn't sit and watch every time, just had it on while doing chores or whatever. Gave me a chance to see details in the background I might have missed the first time, and so on. Its such an ambitious movie (and can only imagine what was involved producing and scheduling everything), and I am glad they did it even though its not my favorite MCU film.

Thanos is awesome. Not quite as good as Darth Vader as far as who has the top spot, but I liked his motivations. Never once did I not believe in the CGI. Seeing the sunlight pierce thru the trees and onto parts of his clothes was pretty impressive. I hope they do not kill him. I am tired of seeing MCU villains getting killed off.

Before mourning any of the dead characters, remember that this is Marvel. In the comic books, characters return from the dead so often Death had to install a revolving door.

It is an excellent movie, and is pretty much one of a kind; no movie has taken such an all-star cast, with SO many characters and made such a success with that many famous people on a single screen. Not only that, but the good guys lost. Hard. Most movies haven’t touched on that since Empire Strikes Back. It will go down as a monumental movie as revolutionary.

 Vulcan wrote:
Before mourning any of the dead characters, remember that this is Marvel. In the comic books, characters return from the dead so often Death had to install a revolving door.

Yeah but...this is Movie Marvel, and some of these actors want out, so...quite a few perma-deaths are coming once it is all said and done, and the dust has been...reconstituted and then settles again.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It is an excellent movie, and is pretty much one of a kind; no movie has taken such an all-star cast, with SO many characters and made such a success with that many famous people on a single screen. Not only that, but the good guys lost. Hard. Most movies haven’t touched on that since Empire Strikes Back. It will go down as a monumental movie as revolutionary.

Pretty much this.

So many balls to juggle, and from films of different tones. It could’ve been a horrific mess of disparate plotlines. But the Russo’s pulled it off. And just like Civil War, nobody was acting against type, which was nice.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It is an excellent movie, and is pretty much one of a kind; no movie has taken such an all-star cast, with SO many characters and made such a success with that many famous people on a single screen. Not only that, but the good guys lost. Hard. Most movies haven’t touched on that since Empire Strikes Back. It will go down as a monumental movie as revolutionary.

Massive all star casts were a thing in the past. Two excellent WW2 movies, “The Longest Day” and “A Bridge Too Far” spring to mind. So having a huge cast of characters played by famous actors isn’t that revolutionary.

What was unique about a Infinity War is that it’s the (I think) 19th movie in a franchise that still going strong. That means that it doesn’t actually rely, unlike the all star casts of the past, on getting the audience to care about the characters because they recognise and like the actors. Instead we have a cast of developed characters that many members of the audience have spent 10 years getting to know.

Just as long as nobody wonders , during the fight over the gauntlet, why Doc Strange didn't open a sling ring portal, have them get Thanos' arm through it and then shut it to lop the gauntlet off his arm.

Preferrably to fall out of another portal to land in a heros' arms. Because the huge weakness of the Infinity Gauntlet is that you kinda have to have a left hand to use it.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just as long as nobody wonders , during the fight over the gauntlet, why Doc Strange didn't open a sling ring portal, have them get Thanos' arm through it and then shut it to lop the gauntlet off his arm.

Preferrably to fall out of another portal to land in a heros' arms. Because the huge weakness of the Infinity Gauntlet is that you kinda have to have a left hand to use it.

Because that plan would have ended in something worse. Tony stark with the gauntlet or some gak. Strange says very specifically, this was the only way they end up winning.

So I just finished watching it.

I was never into Marvel comics, so the villian pecking order in that universe is unkown to me. Is there anyone above Thanos?

I think the movie was clear about him as an eco-terrorist on a galactic scale, but I kept thinking that he was trying to reduce life for another purpose. Like could he have done what he did to prevent the awakening of another being, once life in the galaxy/universe reaches a certain point? Didn’t Silver Surfer work for a dude that ate planets or some such? Maybe I played too much Mass Effect.

I didn’t really care for his motivations. All the power in the universe and dude couldn’t create more resources to prevent the futures he envisioned? Or go back in time and teach burgeoning civilizations how to harness renewable resources before they became unsustainable? Nah, lets just kill half of eveything and do this again in another few generations? I know he’s a villian, but I’m hoping there is more to the sacrifices he made and forced on others.

It was crazy seeing Carrie ** [see forum posting rules] ** as Proxima Midnight, after seeing her on the last season of Fargo and this season of The Sinner.

**Apparently her last name is verboten. I mean , I get why but feth, not even allowing context? Goes straight to a rules violation? First time thats ever happened since I used this forum. Kind of insulting.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Massive all star casts were a thing in the past.

The Expendables.

Ocean's 11-12-13

Harry Potter (last movie)

Thanks for the contribution DD. Excellent as always. *sigh*

 KTG17 wrote:
Maybe it was rushing over the whole Asgardian stuff that annoyed me (I knew this is how the movie would start out, but Thor is one of my favorite characters and wiping out that part of the MCU has never been something I appreciated).

Difficult to criticise this film for that though.

Asgard was destroyed in Ragnarok, and what was on that ship was basically the last remnant of that civilisation, and even then half of them survived. They're not completely gone, just mostly gone, and most of that occurred in a different film.

 KTG17 wrote:
Loki's death felt hollow, especially for a character who has been in so many movies.

He had reached the end of his journey IMO. He had finally moved past his attempts to leave his brother, accepted his role as part of Asgard rather than trying to break away from it or rule it, and so did what he could to free himself (and his people) of the one part of his life he could never run away from (the Outsider said as much to Loki in Avengers - no matter where you go, we will find you).

And then he failed. It's tragic, but I wouldn't call it hollow.

 nels1031 wrote:
It was crazy seeing Carrie ** [see forum posting rules] ** as Proxima Midnight, after seeing her on the last season of Fargo and this season of The Sinner.

**Apparently her last name is verboten. I mean , I get why but feth, not even allowing context? Goes straight to a rules violation? First time thats ever happened since I used this forum. Kind of insulting.

Once upon a time the world filter was so stringent you couldn't use the word "glass".

 Lance845 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just as long as nobody wonders , during the fight over the gauntlet, why Doc Strange didn't open a sling ring portal, have them get Thanos' arm through it and then shut it to lop the gauntlet off his arm.

Preferrably to fall out of another portal to land in a heros' arms. Because the huge weakness of the Infinity Gauntlet is that you kinda have to have a left hand to use it.

Because that plan would have ended in something worse. Tony stark with the gauntlet or some gak. Strange says very specifically, this was the only way they end up winning.

Oh, I know. It was always a joke with my friends, though as such a thing seems to be such a trope when wormholes/portals are involved.

Two weeks until I get my mitts on the home release.

Well looking forward to seeing it again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

nels1031 wrote:It was crazy seeing Carrie ** [see forum posting rules] ** as Proxima Midnight, after seeing her on the last season of Fargo and this season of The Sinner.

**Apparently her last name is verboten. I mean , I get why but feth, not even allowing context? Goes straight to a rules violation? First time thats ever happened since I used this forum. Kind of insulting.

Once upon a time the world filter was so stringent you couldn't use the word "glass".

 Mysterio wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

nels1031 wrote:It was crazy seeing Carrie ** [see forum posting rules] ** as Proxima Midnight, after seeing her on the last season of Fargo and this season of The Sinner.

**Apparently her last name is verboten. I mean , I get why but feth, not even allowing context? Goes straight to a rules violation? First time thats ever happened since I used this forum. Kind of insulting.

Once upon a time the world filter was so stringent you couldn't use the word "glass".

The changing of the word is automatic, as is the [see forum posting rules] insert.

Unless you got a warning for it too?

I’m trying to remember the game recently that had a word filter on character names that would disallow an entry if any part of the word triggered it, like that Glass up there, and then give you a warning telling you the exact portion of the word it didn’t like, therein teaching kids new swears.

 Mysterio wrote:

Unless you got a warning for it too?

Nah, its just a bad look. Like I'm just casually dropping antiquated racial slurs into my geek media posts.

 Mysterio wrote:
The changing of the word is automatic, as is the [see forum posting rules] insert.

Unless you got a warning for it too?

Oh I know it's automatic.

I was just pointing out that once upon a time it was so strict that typing glass had the filter replace your word with gldonkey.

It's what gave rise to the "Donkey Cannon", as everyone used to shorten Assault Cannon to "Ass Cannon".

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just as long as nobody wonders , during the fight over the gauntlet, why Doc Strange didn't open a sling ring portal, have them get Thanos' arm through it and then shut it to lop the gauntlet off his arm.

Preferrably to fall out of another portal to land in a heros' arms. Because the huge weakness of the Infinity Gauntlet is that you kinda have to have a left hand to use it.

Because that plan would have ended in something worse. Tony stark with the gauntlet or some gak. Strange says very specifically, this was the only way they end up winning.

Oh, I know. It was always a joke with my friends, though as such a thing seems to be such a trope when wormholes/portals are involved.

The frustrating thing is that Wong did the very same thing to Obsidian earlier in the movie (cutting off his left hand with a portal).
I get that Strange may have seen this outcome and it didn't turn out well for the heroes for...reasons.
But from a movie standpoint, the setup was there and an obvious solution to the audience. A throw away line explaining why he couldn't do it could have resolved it.
Really my only complaint with the movie

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Or maybe he saw him try and noticed it didn't work. Same as Eldar farseers in path of the seer. Just keep trying different stratégies untill you find a winning one.


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I don't really mind the powers and their limits not being explained. They are so out there anyway as long we don't get anime style: stand still for name calling, I'm fine with it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thanks for the contribution DD. Excellent as always. *sigh*

Dude what is your problem. I swear I see more condescending posts from you than any one else.

 KTG17 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thanks for the contribution DD. Excellent as always. *sigh*

Dude what is your problem. I swear I see more condescending posts from you than any one else.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I think it's cuz DD only added three names of movies, none of which actually had this MANY famous names, and he added no actual conversation to the topic. Yes, Brad Pitt is a bigger name than Chris Evans. But the Oceans movies having like 8 big names don't compare to Infinity Wars having 40 big names. The three Chris's, Vin Diesel, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch, ScarJo, Paltrow, Cooper, RDJr, Zoe Saldana, Batista, Brolin, etc. The names keep going in this film; no film out there has this MANY big names, even if some films have multiple bigger names. Not only does it have this many names, it has a solid script to back it up too; there is a reason this film will go down in infamy. Even if it's not the strongest script in the world (and it isn't), it has done something monumental that nobody has seen before on this scale.

When someone says "massive all star casts were a thing of a past", and I can immediately name at least 3 counter-examples, then that's plenty enough to falsify the claim. No more needed to be said.

The Expendables had every action hero ever, including ALL of the heavyweights like Li, Lungren, Schwarzenegger, Statham, Stallone, Van Damme, etc., etc. Oceans had real stars with Clooney, Pitt and Roberts.

IW was a great movie, but let's not fall all over ourselves. RDJ is only an A-lister due to the Marvel movies. ScarJo is a C-lister outside her bit parts supporting a leading man (actually, she's poison - her solo movies are fething garbage). Diesel is big, but you don't even see him! Etc. The vast bulk of the actors are C/D-listers that would never carry a film. A Batista movie? Get real.

If your definition of "big" is tautological, as in "having appeared in a movie (i.e. IW) that subsequently got big", then any given season of the Simpsons has more "big names" than Infinity War. Or Tropic Thunder. / Something About Mary. And for the record, Tropic Thunder is a better ensemble movie than Infinity War.

Minority opinion -- Infinity War was a fairly terrible movie in *many* ways.

It was good entertainment and a good installment of a long-running serial, mind you. But if you try to look at it through a normal 'movie' lens, or even a normal sequel lens...egads, it'd be an incomprehensible mess.

Goes to show you how unique this thing that Marvel created really is.

 Galef wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just as long as nobody wonders , during the fight over the gauntlet, why Doc Strange didn't open a sling ring portal, have them get Thanos' arm through it and then shut it to lop the gauntlet off his arm.

Preferrably to fall out of another portal to land in a heros' arms. Because the huge weakness of the Infinity Gauntlet is that you kinda have to have a left hand to use it.

Because that plan would have ended in something worse. Tony stark with the gauntlet or some gak. Strange says very specifically, this was the only way they end up winning.

Oh, I know. It was always a joke with my friends, though as such a thing seems to be such a trope when wormholes/portals are involved.

The frustrating thing is that Wong did the very same thing to Obsidian earlier in the movie (cutting off his left hand with a portal).
I get that Strange may have seen this outcome and it didn't turn out well for the heroes for...reasons.
But from a movie standpoint, the setup was there and an obvious solution to the audience. A throw away line explaining why he couldn't do it could have resolved it.
Really my only complaint with the movie

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There was a throw away line. During the fight, even when peter quill was having his melt down, dr. Strange said NOTHING. And then, when all was said and done, dr strange said " im sorry tony, this was the only way..."

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


When someone says "massive all star casts were a thing of a past", and I can immediately name at least 3 counter-examples, then that's plenty enough to falsify the claim. No more needed to be said.

I didn’t say, “massive all star casts were a thing of a past”, because that makes no grammatical sense.

Nor did I say, “massive all star casts are a thing of the past” ie, not a thing in the present (which is what, I think, you’re trying to claim I said).

What I actually said was, “massive all star casts were a thing in the past”, ie it’s been done before.

You’re attempting to refute a claim that was never made.

 gorgon wrote:
Minority opinion -- Infinity War was a fairly terrible movie in *many* ways.

It was good entertainment and a good installment of a long-running serial, mind you. But if you try to look at it through a normal 'movie' lens, or even a normal sequel lens...egads, it'd be an incomprehensible mess.

Goes to show you how unique this thing that Marvel created really is.

Agreed. Throwing words like "unique" and "revolutionary" around in the context of this movie is stretching things beyond credulity IMO. I enjoyed it immensely, but it's just a popcorn blockbuster that would render anyone who hadn't watched a decent chunk of the preceding body of work completely clueless as to what was happening or what the implications were for long sections.

Ok, it's a rare that a movie with this much anticipation from the fan base isn't a significant let down, and this really wasn't a let down IMO, but viewed in isolation it's a hugely flawed movie that relies massively on the assumotion that its audience is educated on the topic.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Minority opinion -- Infinity War was a fairly terrible movie in *many* ways.

It was good entertainment and a good installment of a long-running serial, mind you. But if you try to look at it through a normal 'movie' lens, or even a normal sequel lens...egads, it'd be an incomprehensible mess.

Goes to show you how unique this thing that Marvel created really is.

Agreed. Throwing words like "unique" and "revolutionary" around in the context of this movie is stretching things beyond credulity IMO. I enjoyed it immensely, but it's just a popcorn blockbuster that would render anyone who hadn't watched a decent chunk of the preceding body of work completely clueless as to what was happening or what the implications were for long sections.

Ok, it's a rare that a movie with this much anticipation from the fan base isn't a significant let down, and this really wasn't a let down IMO, but viewed in isolation it's a hugely flawed movie that relies massively on the assumotion that its audience is educated on the topic.

I think that’s kind of the point though, Infinity War is not intended to be viewed in isolation. It’s a movie that deliberately, by design, relies on you having seen the previous movies. I don’t think that makes it a flawed movie at all because not doing something you never intended to do isn’t a flaw.

The really revolutionary thing about Infinity War is that it is brave enough to not spend time trying to be accessible to someone who hasn’t seen the previous movies. It’s long form story telling. I don’t think you’d level the same criticism to the season finale of a TV show, because that’s essentially what Infinity War is.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


When someone says "massive all star casts were a thing of a past", and I can immediately name at least 3 counter-examples, then that's plenty enough to falsify the claim. No more needed to be said.

I didn’t say, “massive all star casts were a thing of a past”, because that makes no grammatical sense.

Nor did I say, “massive all star casts are a thing of the past” ie, not a thing in the present (which is what, I think, you’re trying to claim I said).

What I actually said was, “massive all star casts were a thing in the past”, ie it’s been done before.

You’re attempting to refute a claim that was never made.

If you are bad at making your point upfront, maybe you shouldn't get all pissy afterward?


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
it's just a popcorn blockbuster that would render anyone who hadn't watched a decent chunk of the preceding body of work completely clueless as to what was happening or what the implications were for long sections.

Ok, it's a rare that a movie with this much anticipation from the fan base isn't a significant let down, and this really wasn't a let down IMO, but viewed in isolation it's a hugely flawed movie that relies massively on the assumotion that its audience is educated on the topic.

I think that’s kind of the point though, Infinity War is not intended to be viewed in isolation. It’s a movie that deliberately, by design, relies on you having seen the previous movies.

The really revolutionary thing about Infinity War is that it is brave enough to not spend time trying to be accessible to someone who hasn’t seen the previous movies.

Actually, you guys are both wrong. If you haven't seen the other movies, Marvel does a fantastic job of quickly filling in the gaps so IW is completely accessible if the last Marvel movie you'd seen was Ultron. They don't rely on you having seen all of the previous movies. Hell, you can watch IW without having seen Ragnarok, in the exact same way you can watch Star Wars without having seen Rogue One. Yes, they have to do short form telling instead of long form showing, but it is just enough to quickly get someone up to speed if they hadn't seen Guardians, Civil War, Black Panther and/or Ragnarok. Marvel specifically sets up little mini-exposition scenes to inform each character and the audience in a relatively unobtrusive way. Of course Marvel films move pretty quickly, so it has to be this way, especially in IW, but it's not like they didn't do the same thing with Banner in Ragnarok in case you hadn't seen Civil War.

 KTG17 wrote:

HATE the nano suits. From Black Panther to Iron Man to Spiderman. I know its an evolution of the costumes, saves time and kids prob think its cool, but I hate them. Forming guns or spider legs from nothing is just too much for me.

Billion times this. Whole suit bonanza has got absurd. It was really stupid already in Iron Man 2 and has got worse ever since. It devalues the character, it devalues his suit, and what is worst, it devalues other characters. Hey, why doesn't Spider-Man use that suit ALL THE TIME? I mean, it is just so much better than his own powers. If Stark can create suits out of nothing like this, where is Black Widow suit? Or Hawkeye suit? They have no powers.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Minority opinion -- Infinity War was a fairly terrible movie in *many* ways.

It was good entertainment and a good installment of a long-running serial, mind you. But if you try to look at it through a normal 'movie' lens, or even a normal sequel lens...egads, it'd be an incomprehensible mess.

Goes to show you how unique this thing that Marvel created really is.

Agreed. Throwing words like "unique" and "revolutionary" around in the context of this movie is stretching things beyond credulity IMO. I enjoyed it immensely, but it's just a popcorn blockbuster that would render anyone who hadn't watched a decent chunk of the preceding body of work completely clueless as to what was happening or what the implications were for long sections.

Ok, it's a rare that a movie with this much anticipation from the fan base isn't a significant let down, and this really wasn't a let down IMO, but viewed in isolation it's a hugely flawed movie that relies massively on the assumotion that its audience is educated on the topic.

I think that’s kind of the point though, Infinity War is not intended to be viewed in isolation. It’s a movie that deliberately, by design, relies on you having seen the previous movies. I don’t think that makes it a flawed movie at all because not doing something you never intended to do isn’t a flaw.

The really revolutionary thing about Infinity War is that it is brave enough to not spend time trying to be accessible to someone who hasn’t seen the previous movies. It’s long form story telling. I don’t think you’d level the same criticism to the season finale of a TV show, because that’s essentially what Infinity War is.

Again, that's not really revolutionary is it? I mean that's just describing what a sequel is, the only thing IW did was push the envelope a bit on how much prior knowledge you needed to get everything. That's, almost by definition, evolutionary.