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I’m also building up my Mechanicum forces in 28mm.

100% in for the book though.

Im still building the stuff from the starter box. But this is tempting to go with AT titans

Book and Mechanicum box ordered! Goonhammer have a review article of the book up:

https://www.goonhammer.com/legions-imperialis-rise-of-the-dark-mechanicum-the-goonhammer-review/

Those looking forward to the Knight rules will be happy! Though the Titan Legio rules look a bit pointless, particularly when you can take Titans (and Knights) in the Mechanicum formations anyway.

Oddly the Krios Battle Tank (3-9) and Krios Venator (2-8) have different unit sizes, making me wonder if they're going to be distinct kits like Russes. That's potentially up to 9 kits for Mechanicum in total.

While you can't mix DarkMech-specific stalkers in the same list as a lot of the Taghmata stuff, you can bring knights & titans as part of a Mechanicum army. So you can have a list that looks like:
>=70% Taghmata, Knights, Titans
<=30% DarkMech stalker allies
(or vice-versa)

Bit disappointing there seems to be no decals for the mechanicum, when we've been flooded with sheets in every other set so far!

Thankfully I have two partial sheets from 40k sets which should just about work with some minor alterations- cutting them down before worked fine on my vanguard not-skitarii models.

But otherwise the preview of the models are great. 1997 me would never had believed we'd see a mechanicum set like this after seeing the old rules in citadel journal for E40k and having to try to put together a force from scraps & old 2nd ed models. Multi part 'sort of' 6mm scale model robots ripe for converting and plundering. I'm honestly dreaming!

I've zero interest in the rules, but I've even picked the book up just to have a nose at the lore & art this time round!

Collegia Titanica rules seem silly, those formations are crap, and it's easier to bring Warmaster titans than it is warlords for some reason.

Knight House rules seem decent enough though.

Yeah the collegia rules are a complete miss. In that there kinda just aren't any, just (bad) formations.

Titans are plenty powerful on their own. Consider there’s a fair chunk of most armies which just can’t do anything except hope to swamp them in HTH.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Knight House rules seem decent enough though.

They'll be a lot more interesting if/when GW get around to plastic Armigers. Between the compulsory slots and increased tactical strength, a good few of those will be needed for a functional Knights list.

 cole1114 wrote:
Yeah the collegia rules are a complete miss. In that there kinda just aren't any, just (bad) formations.

On the upside, titan slots in the Mechanicum lists mean we can finally run unit combinations that required >3000pt games. A full-sized Warhound pack or 2 Warlord titans no longer require playing Titandeath.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Titans are plenty powerful on their own. Consider there’s a fair chunk of most armies which just can’t do anything except hope to swamp them in HTH.

You say that as though it actually isn't relatively trivial for most armies to deal with a titan.

Operative word there being “a”. Singular.

An army comprised of Titans? That’s a very different story.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Operative word there being “a”. Singular.

An army comprised of Titans? That’s a very different story.

Sounds fluffy actually. Old Epic kept marginalizing titans and pushing them further and further away. Hope the new one learns from that mistake.

I think the new game still has go to through its growth phase. That is the phase between 1st and 2nd/3rd edition where armies start out small and steadily grow in volume as a matured market develops with bigger collections and investment into the game.

When you can double the unit count in the game you can make things like titans work better because there's more on the other side to oppose them.
You go from two or three counter tanks to 10 or 20 countering them (numbers totally random) which in turn makes the titans feel far far more powerful because more things have to take them on at once.

Presume you have not played the game then Overread, unit count is already massive.

Still trapped on the fenceline - first cause no Tyranids; then cause whilst Mechanicum is coming I'm kind of committed into too many other bits now to really make the jump and have time to put it together.

That said the battle reports still seem like unit counts are "smaller" than the old Epic days*. Granted models ARE bigger; heck warlords are massive compared to what they were (my warlord is still only half built) and are closer to old Imperator size.



*at least when casually observing box content and similar point values AND when wearing the double pair of rose-tinted glasses

The Mechanicum Battlegroup is 1320 points, it's a great box for doubling up on and pairing with a titan or knights for a lower cost 3000 point army. It'll probably fair decently in games with the amount of walkers and infantry to boot. A single box could bring flavor, as an ally Taghmata with the Ordo Reductor Subdivision or Taghma Sub-covenant detachment's.

The Dark Mechanicum list restrictions are interesting....I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for 30k lists in restricting automata. At least we have a glimmer of hope for a Dark Mechanicum Battlegroup in both game systems due to unique kits.

Thank you, Goonhammer, for the book review.

I got the book and the cards on order - will hold off on minis till I get a handle on which formations might be right for me.

Put in a request at my FLGS for the box and book. I have yet to play LI, but have been having fun building tiny tanks, and have a ton of AT what the Mechanicum stuff will look good alongsides

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
The Mechanicum Battlegroup is 1320 points...

I did some checking and most of the Mechanicum kits will be better £/pt value than the marine & solar kits at launch. Most boxes give you 300-400pts of minis, in particular any related to automata or stalkers.

The worst deals are on the tanks; ranging from ~150pts for Krios/Karacnos boxes to just 60pts for Triaros transports. Luckily the latter are in the battlegroup.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

The Dark Mechanicum list restrictions are interesting....I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for 30k lists in restricting automata. At least we have a glimmer of hope for a Dark Mechanicum Battlegroup in both game systems due to unique kits.

I think this is just a way to ensure LI DarkMech aren't just Mechanicum++; otherwise virtually every LI Mechanicum list would be run as traitor allegiance due to the unique kits. Instead there's small penalty of needing to use your allies allowance to bring every unit.

Wait, the transports are 15 points each?

Strange that the made the Dark Mechanicum a own Faction instead to solving everything with the Loyalst/Traitor Keywords.

Seems a chunk of the Dark Mechanicum’s nature is in creating your command web thing using the various Stalkers.

Lining up to be fairly “Undead” in use and countering. Take out the right thing to break the synergy and you’ll have an easier time.

More will be known of course once we’ve had a chance to digest the book for ourselves.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wait, the transports are 15 points each?

How much are Rhinos, Doc? Don't have any of the books to compare the two.

I’ll check in a minute. Got the Nephloof sleeping next to me, and I don’t want to disturb him as he’s had a dicky tummy. His hoomans should be round in 15 minutes to collect him though.

Rhinos are 10pts transport 2. Triaros are 15pts Large transport 4.


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Plus triaros has guns that are actually worth something built in...

It's still odd that Triaros don't have stats closer to a Spartan considering they're the same size. Even Sv3+ W2 would be OK, assuming an appropriate points hike.

 ingtaer wrote:
Rhinos are 10pts transport 2. Krios are 15pts Large transport 4.


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Plus Krios has guns that are actually worth something built in...

The Triaros seems pretty cheap comparing it to the other two bigger transports which are the Dracosan and Spartan at 37pts and 80pts respectively. Yes they are better but thats a big pts difference

Agreed, they seem insanely powerful, even more so as you can stuff walkers in them!

What are the Triaros weapons like? Only the other two can serve as main line battle tanks, which is gonna bump up their points.

Well, the Dracosan to a slightly lesser degree, but it still packs solid heat for a transport.

Equivalent firepower to a Castellax base and some pathetic volkite I believe.