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djones520 wrote: So I just learned that here in TN, my military training satisfies the states requirement for training to get a CCL.
That'll save me a decent bit of cash. Might as well get that ball rolling.
Awesome!
The girlfriend and I did a class almost a year ago. It was buy one get one free, so it cost us $50 each to take the class and range. It took us almost a year but we finally got our applications in.
Hope your issuer is better than my county. It takes them a full 30 days to process and do the background check. Yet somehow the county next door can get them out the next week. At least they finally bumped their fees down to the state minimum.
Hordini wrote: Nice! What kind of laser system are you using?
Thanks! It's a Streamlight TLR-2 IRW ~1 mW IR laser.
Next step is getting my helmet rig in order. Right now it's serviceable but not very comfortable. I've got a set of Oregon Aero pads on order along with their BLSS kit. Spreading out the straps to an H configuration hopefully will give me enough room to mount my muffs while I'm wearing the helmet. I'd prefer to mount the muffs on an ARC rail or something but my muffs don't come stock with ARC rails and, without the parts in front of me, I don't want to go ordering an assload of stuff I won't need, and that will render my muffs useless without the helmet!
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djones520 wrote: So I just learned that here in TN, my military training satisfies the states requirement for training to get a CCL.
That'll save me a decent bit of cash. Might as well get that ball rolling.
It's the same in Ohio, which is quite nice (I wish it was like that in every state, to be honest). That said, if you do get the chance to take a CCW class at some point, I would still highly recommend it. Not for the firearms training part in your case, but rather specifically for the legal aspects of it. I was already a decently experienced shooter when I took the course, but I learned a lot about self-defense laws and use of force and firearms, which is something that can vary a lot by state. More specifically, things like the castle doctrine and stand your ground don't work like a lot of people think they do and how the media tries to portray them, and it behooves you (that is, anyone with a CCW) to educate yourself on those kinds of things.
Hordini wrote: Nice! What kind of laser system are you using?
Thanks! It's a Streamlight TLR-2 IRW ~1 mW IR laser.
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Nice! Would you recommend it? I was exploring a bit about IR laser systems that are available to civilians the other day and wasn't sure where to start. Are you using it paired with a PVS-14 monocular? I thought I saw you post a photo of one the other day.
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Hordini wrote: Nice! What kind of laser system are you using?
Thanks! It's a Streamlight TLR-2 IRW ~1 mW IR laser.
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Nice! Would you recommend it? I was exploring a bit about IR laser systems that are available to civilians the other day and wasn't sure where to start. Are you using it paired with a PVS-14 monocular? I thought I saw you post a photo of one the other day.
Definitely! Yeah I'm using an ITT 6015 which is basically a PVS-14 with automatic gain adjustment.
IR laser is probably the best way to aim a rifle with NODs on. In the IDF I had an Akilah, and later a Lior, both of which are magnified rifle scopes. They're better for accurate shooting at long range (~300-500m) but closer than that, a laser is way better. It's also better for situation awareness to have the thing attached to your head!
My old Akilah...wonder where you are today:
As for which laser you should buy...you can spend as much as you want, as with most things. The top of the line in terms of civilian lasers is probably the ATPIAL-C, which has visible and IR lasers, along with an IR illuminator. Very nice piece of kit...also over $1,000 for just a laser and illuminator. Other options include the OTAL / ITAL, which are just IR, and the DBAL which contains visible and IR lasers (nice because you only have to zero the visible laser...the IR laser is slaved).
Streamlight's IR is actually more powerful than most civilian rifle LAMs. The TLR-2 IRW Secret Service model is 1 mW while the -C variants of the above lasers are capped at .7 mW. People say they like the lower power because you get less bloom but at close range I don't notice the bloom being too strong on this. Obviously it's very nice to be able to zero a visible laser and use a slaved IR, because zeroing IR lasers is a pain, but it's not a dealbreaker (you can use a PVS-14 with a pinhole cap to zero during the day). I also like that it's integrated with a white light, so it's one module handling both your lighting and laser needs.
My other night-ready rifle has a MARS-IR, which is the Israeli version of an EOtech EOLAD (it actually came out first). It's a red dot with a slaved IR laser, which makes zeroing the IR a breeze!
If I was going to do just one, I'd definitely say that an optic like the MARS is the way to go. The nice thing about a dedicated LAM is that you aren't tied into the red dot...and you still have a way to aim if your laser goes down or runs out of batteries. Pros and cons to both honestly...
That was all a really long way of saying: YES! Definitely recommend it, but it's going to burn a hole in your pocket real fast.
Hordini wrote: That said, if you do get the chance to take a CCW class at some point, I would still highly recommend it. Not for the firearms training part in your case, but rather specifically for the legal aspects of it. I was already a decently experienced shooter when I took the course, but I learned a lot about self-defense laws and use of force and firearms, which is something that can vary a lot by state. More specifically, things like the castle doctrine and stand your ground don't work like a lot of people think they do and how the media tries to portray them, and it behooves you (that is, anyone with a CCW) to educate yourself on those kinds of things.
I wish Iowa covered this stuff - my test was strictly about basic gun safety, and the places you can't take your gun. It was super, super basic and easy, if you had all your ducks in a row you could go from zero to hostering a new gun with a CCW in your wallet in about 3 hours. I am pretty sure for hunting licences it's a little more stringent, but I would like to have seen some of the basic concepts you mentioned covered as a requirement.
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Jihadin wrote: What are you using for counter weight? I at times use a plug of pig iron or a roll of quarters
I've got a battery roll back there. If friends of mine grab NVGs I'll add an IR beacon. Right now an IR light stick on the side of the helmet fulfills that role.
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Finally figured out how to get these electronic muffs to fit under this helmet...omfg that was a fight.
Muahahhaha...
Great Scott! That is a lot of stuff mounted to your noggin. Ever thought of just mounting the NVGs to the rifles rails in front of the optics? I used to to that with my ACOG and it work like magic. So much smoother and natural.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Finally figured out how to get these electronic muffs to fit under this helmet...omfg that was a fight.
Muahahhaha...
Great Scott! That is a lot of stuff mounted to your noggin. Ever thought of just mounting the NVGs to the rifles rails in front of the optics? I used to to that with my ACOG and it work like magic. So much smoother and natural.
That works for shooting, but it starts to get old if you have to sight down your rifle just to walk around. Or drive.
I've never really walked around with NVGs its just awkward. I relied more on my ears out in the dark. An after doing about 200 hours of off road driving I never will willimg drive by NVG again haha.
M&P Shield - I fething this little thing. Thinking about getting a big dot sight for it or maybe a crimson trace. Possibly both. Depends on if I would be able to fit the thing in my holster.
Kimber Crimson Carry II - Fantastic gun, though it posted like a mother fether and it had a bad habit of pulling my pants down.
Remington 870 in 16g - Great little shotgun. Suppose it's purpose would be in the event of an Indian uprising or something.
Huglu 103 FE - Bird shooting gun, though it's almost too pretty to take out.
As far as where I keep these, they're all at my parents place while I'm at school. Not really enough time for me to hunt and UO police might get a bit pissy if I concealed carried on campus.
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Stonebeard wrote: M&P Shield - I fething this little thing. Thinking about getting a big dot sight for it or maybe a crimson trace. Possibly both. Depends on if I would be able to fit the thing in my holster.
Stonebeard wrote: M&P Shield - I fething this little thing. Thinking about getting a big dot sight for it or maybe a crimson trace. Possibly both. Depends on if I would be able to fit the thing in my holster.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Finally figured out how to get these electronic muffs to fit under this helmet...omfg that was a fight.
Muahahhaha...
Great Scott! That is a lot of stuff mounted to your noggin. Ever thought of just mounting the NVGs to the rifles rails in front of the optics? I used to to that with my ACOG and it work like magic. So much smoother and natural.
Much better SA with a monocular. I was issued a Litton Akilah (4x NV riflescope) and a Lior (3x NV riflescope) at various points during my service, so I've got a good amount of experience with weapon-mounted NV. It's better for shooting than a monocular, but with a monocular your SA is better, it's faster to use out to ~100 yards (with a laser), and it's nice not to have to point your weapon at everything you want to see in the dark especially in a civilian environment.
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BrotherGecko wrote: I've never really walked around with NVGs its just awkward. I relied more on my ears out in the dark. An after doing about 200 hours of off road driving I never will willimg drive by NVG again haha.
Good Gen3 can help you spot targets out to a few hundred meters in the right conditions, and make ID out to 100+ especially if you're using an IR illuminator. Can't do any of that with your ears.
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Hordini wrote: Do you have the 9mm or .40 version of the Shield?
Just chiming in but I've got the 9mm version and love it. It shoots like a much larger piece...very flat and easy to hide.
You can kinda see it here...
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BrotherGecko wrote: I've never really walked around with NVGs its just awkward. I relied more on my ears out in the dark. An after doing about 200 hours of off road driving I never will willimg drive by NVG again haha.
Fun fact #1: Concertina wire does not show up in NVGs (at least the PVS-7s we had)
Fun Fact #2: Once wrapped in the axles of your M1026, concertina is definitely not your friend.
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BrotherGecko wrote: I've never really walked around with NVGs its just awkward. I relied more on my ears out in the dark. An after doing about 200 hours of off road driving I never will willimg drive by NVG again haha.
Fun fact #1: Concertina wire does not show up in NVGs (at least the PVS-7s we had)
Fun Fact #2: Once wrapped in the axles of your M1026, concertina is definitely not your friend.
I almost managed to drive off a 20ft cliff my last rotation at NTC using PVS-14s. My 1SG navigated the whole damn place off star light and memory.
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