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 Vaktathi wrote:
Just out of curiosity, anyone else looking at CZ's new Scorpion EVO 3? It looks really fun, supposedly they'll start becoming available after SHOT show, might add it to the list of "must gets" after finally getting my AR past just being a bare receiver and a Cx4. I think my WW1 bolt action collection plans may have to wait

Lots of positives

Jebus I hated walking around with NVG's. No depth perception. Some cruel evil SoB would also spay paint the concertina wire black to.

I've only had a nights experience with them, but I didn't have and depth perception issues. Granted, I had both eyes in use, so that may be why.

My biggest gripe about them was lack of peripheral vision.

 Jihadin wrote:
Jebus I hated walking around with NVG's. No depth perception. Some cruel evil SoB would also spay paint the concertina wire black to.

You could always mate two PVS14s using a bridge and git you some of those binocular vision. This is a dedicated binocular system but mated PVS14s look pretty similar.



Or you could step up to not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 g-d damn tubes!!!!!



For dat peripheral vision itch you need to scratch. I don't know how many of these units are out in the wild but suffice to say that if there are any out there, they are MONEY.

That thing looks like it's designed to be migraine inducing.

 Breotan wrote:
That thing looks like it's designed to be migraine inducing.

At $40,000 per unit, they probably accounted for that possibility one way or another.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
That thing looks like it's designed to be migraine inducing.

At $40,000 per unit, they probably accounted for that possibility one way or another.

We get a free ride in the Space Shuttle right if buy one?

Remington 700 police, .308 w/leopold
BM ACR 5.56mm with ACOG
Merlin 30-30
Mosberg 500 Tactical Turkey 12ga
H&K Tactical USP .45
Sig P226 .45
Springfield XD40 subcompact

Why? cuz Im an American!



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id love to look thru that. i heard its like panoramic. dual tubes give you some depth. these would be interesting.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Just out of curiosity, anyone else looking at CZ's new Scorpion EVO 3? It looks really fun, supposedly they'll start becoming available after SHOT show, might add it to the list of "must gets" after finally getting my AR past just being a bare receiver and a Cx4. I think my WW1 bolt action collection plans may have to wait

Lots of positives

What do you guys think about weapons like this being used as home defense weapons over, say, a simple pump shotgun?

Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I'm not against them or anything as I own 2 guns myself but strictly for hunting purposes so I just don't see the need for a pistol or an AR. Although if I could I'd probably buy one if they were allowed in Canada (they sort of are but are a hastle to get)
I'll stick with my trust break action 20ga and a .22 for now lol

 Stonebeard wrote:

What do you guys think about weapons like this being used as home defense weapons over, say, a simple pump shotgun?

No problem with it at all - AR15s in general penetrate no more interior walls than shotguns, have a better magazine capacity, more precision, and lower recoil for faster followup shots. They're also more reliable under stress (people screw up pumps in 3-gun all the time). My house gun is, and likely always will be, an AR15.

This "pistol" is my current nightstand gun...ear pro highly recommended.



And yes, the VFG is legal as the OAL is greater than 26".

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I own precisely zero assault rifles. I do own an AR-15, which is NOT an assault rifle, despite what others would have you think. I own one, and own multiple pistols, because I want them. That's reason enough. I have other reasons but that's my own business.

Not necessarily speaking to chiefbigredman here, but people have to get their head around the fact that Americans aren't required to provide a reason for owning a firearm. The "need" terminology that leftists throw around all the time gets old, and is a slippery slope. There's very few things that humans "need". Leftist anti-gun folks don't "need" their Prius, latte or smartphone. Maybe we should confiscate them...

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I'm not against them or anything as I own 2 guns myself but strictly for hunting purposes so I just don't see the need for a pistol or an AR. Although if I could I'd probably buy one if they were allowed in Canada (they sort of are but are a hastle to get)
I'll stick with my trust break action 20ga and a .22 for now lol

If by pistol you mean a typical semi auto polymer pistol like a Glock or M&P then speaking for myself I have them because I have a carry permit so I have them to keep on my person and to practice with. Self defense in and out of the home and practicing/having fun at the range. If you're talking about AR pistols, I personally don't have any, until the Sig brace came out recently I didn't think they were very practical.

Regarding regular mid length ARs I find them to be ergonomical, easy/fun to shoot, simple to customize/accesorize and they're necessary if you want to do any competition shooting or noncompetitve fun shoots. I've heard of people using Garands or M1carbines for 3 gun type events but I wouldn't want to try it personally unless the stages had really low round counts.

 Alex C wrote:

I own precisely zero assault rifles. I do own an AR-15, which is NOT an assault rifle, despite what others would have you think. I own one, and own multiple pistols, because I want them. That's reason enough. I have other reasons but that's my own business.

Not necessarily speaking to chiefbigredman here, but people have to get their head around the fact that Americans aren't required to provide a reason for owning a firearm. The "need" terminology that leftists throw around all the time gets old, and is a slippery slope. There's very few things that humans "need". Leftist anti-gun folks don't "need" their Prius, latte or smartphone. Maybe we should confiscate them...

Well I'd consider it an assault rifle but then again I don't know the general definition of what is really an assault rifle lol

I assumed that its just because you want them (I never understood the "its for home defense" reason but maybe that's cause I'm from Canada and I've always felt safe where I live, having guns because they are fun to shoot is a better reason for me...that's why I have a .22 lol).

Do you just go to the range to use them or can you guys use them anywhere? In Canada you can only use a pistol at a firing range which is why I don't own one (I could get one tho) just such a hastle here. And same with ARs here we can't have mags bigger than 5+1 (maybe its 4+1) for centerfire guns which is kinda weird when I can buy huge mags for ruger .22s like wut?

I was just stating Americans for ARs and pistols cause you guys have an easier time getting them than up here. Such a pain to get them here and even bigger pain to actually get to shoot them.


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Prestor Jon wrote:


If by pistol you mean a typical semi auto polymer pistol like a Glock or M&P then speaking for myself I have them because I have a carry permit so I have them to keep on my person and to practice with. Self defense in and out of the home and practicing/having fun at the range. If you're talking about AR pistols, I personally don't have any, until the Sig brace came out recently I didn't think they were very practical.

Regarding regular mid length ARs I find them to be ergonomical, easy/fun to shoot, simple to customize/accesorize and they're necessary if you want to do any competition shooting or noncompetitve fun shoots. I've heard of people using Garands or M1carbines for 3 gun type events but I wouldn't want to try it personally unless the stages had really low round counts.

Uhhhhh well by pistols I ment pistols like a a 1911 or whatever and by AR I ment like M1 carbines and things like that...like a military style gun.
My knowledge of either of those is very limited just because we don't get much options up here and very few people own them so I don't really know all the differences.

Plus is stupid expensive for centerfire rounds up here like $1-$2 a round so its expensive. What are the prices down there? Its just so much cheaper to get a .22 to go plinking and stuff but then again it doesn't have the same feel as a centerfire

 Stonebeard wrote:


What do you guys think about weapons like this being used as home defense weapons over, say, a simple pump shotgun?

Personally I just keep a few extended mags for my M&P45 in the house for home defense. It's a great pistol, I shoot it well enough, it's got a light, I find it easier to use inside than something like an 870Express. I like my shotguns but I don't want to rely on something with such a low capacity for home defense and long guns are awkward indoors for me (but I've never done any CQB training or courses). Chances are I'll never need to use it and if that rare event occurs chances are .45 self defense rounds will do the job just fine.

In regards to the CZ Evo specifically, I don't like pistol caliber carbines. They're very task specific in my opinion and I don't have the kind of disposable income to spend on something with a lot of limitations. For less cost than Evo you can get a Glock, a light and some extended mags and the Glock will be more useful. A pistol AR would be better, 5.56 would be just as good inside the home but would have better performance at longer ranges if you ever wanted to use it outside. If you have the money and the desire go get an Evo and enjoy it but it's hard for me not to default to the more frugal options.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I'm not against them or anything as I own 2 guns myself but strictly for hunting purposes so I just don't see the need for a pistol or an AR. Although if I could I'd probably buy one if they were allowed in Canada (they sort of are but are a hastle to get)
I'll stick with my trust break action 20ga and a .22 for now lol

Lots of reasons...home defense, keep one in the car, range toy, and I'd hunt with one in a heartbeat if I could do so legally in PA. Semi autos are a no-go here in PA for hunting...stupid but that's the law.

An assault rifle has a fire selector allowing fully automatic fire. They are rare and expensive in the US, and require extensive paperwork, fees and background checks to legally acquire. Your typical AR-15 is semi-automatic, shooting once for each pull of the trigger.

If you have mag capacity limits on centerfire firearms, then it wouldn't apply to .22s/l/lr caliber firearms as the .22s/l/lr is a rimfire cartridge.

AR means "Armalite Rifle". It is not a catch-all for "military style" firearms.

 chiefbigredman wrote:


I was just stating Americans for ARs and pistols cause you guys have an easier time getting them than up here. Such a pain to get them here and even bigger pain to actually get to shoot them.


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Prestor Jon wrote:


If by pistol you mean a typical semi auto polymer pistol like a Glock or M&P then speaking for myself I have them because I have a carry permit so I have them to keep on my person and to practice with. Self defense in and out of the home and practicing/having fun at the range. If you're talking about AR pistols, I personally don't have any, until the Sig brace came out recently I didn't think they were very practical.

Regarding regular mid length ARs I find them to be ergonomical, easy/fun to shoot, simple to customize/accesorize and they're necessary if you want to do any competition shooting or noncompetitve fun shoots. I've heard of people using Garands or M1carbines for 3 gun type events but I wouldn't want to try it personally unless the stages had really low round counts.

Uhhhhh well by pistols I ment pistols like a a 1911 or whatever and by AR I ment like M1 carbines and things like that...like a military style gun.
My knowledge of either of those is very limited just because we don't get much options up here and very few people own them so I don't really know all the differences.

Plus is stupid expensive for centerfire rounds up here like $1-$2 a round so its expensive. What are the prices down there? Its just so much cheaper to get a .22 to go plinking and stuff but then again it doesn't have the same feel as a centerfire

I figured that's what you mean but there are also AR-15 pistols so I wanted to make sure to clarify. I spoilered two comparison pics below to illustrate the difference between an AR-15 and a pistol AR.



Currently 5.56 ammo is around $0.45-$0.50 per round. Depending on manufacturing and the amount you order it can vary. I'm not sure what the current cost breakdown is for people who reload, that can depend on the cost of the components which varies with when you bought them.

Rimfire is usually cheaper although .22lr did get more expensive recently.


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 Alex C wrote:
An assault rifle has a fire selector allowing fully automatic fire. They are rare and expensive in the US, and require extensive paperwork, fees and background checks to legally acquire. Your typical AR-15 is semi-automatic, shooting once for each pull of the trigger.

If you have mag capacity limits on centerfire firearms, then it wouldn't apply to .22s/l/lr caliber firearms as the .22s/l/lr is a rimfire cartridge.

AR means "Armalite Rifle". It is not a catch-all for "military style" firearms.

True but if I could buy a Sturmgewehr44 I totally would and be unashamedly proud of my assault rifle.

 Stonebeard wrote:
What do you guys think about weapons like this being used as home defense weapons over, say, a simple pump shotgun?

The pistol in that video is chambered in 9mm, the same as many pistols used for home defense. It has a longer barrel so will be more accurate than a pistol and a larger magazine capacity so the homeowner does not have to reload as often (notwithstanding States with arbitrary limits on magazine size). You can also use hollow point rounds to reduce the risk of over penetration.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I'm not against them or anything as I own 2 guns myself but strictly for hunting purposes so I just don't see the need for a pistol or an AR. Although if I could I'd probably buy one if they were allowed in Canada (they sort of are but are a hastle to get)
I'll stick with my trust break action 20ga and a .22 for now lol

The reason why a lot of people own an AR is because they are extremely versatile. They are simple to build and maintain, plus they have thousands upon thousands of after market parts to make it unique. They can pretty much come in any caliber you want, with .223 or 5.56 being most common. Switching between uppers is easy. I can use the same lower for my home defense gun as I can for my long range hunting rifle. That being said, I only use my AR for the range, but it is more of a safe queen as I am broke.

As far as "need", in the last month in a half, we had our garage broken into, a stolen car dumped in the neighbors drive way, the neighbors house broken into and trashed, a homeless guy crashing in his truck (in a 2 hour parking area) and casing the apartments near by (was arrested, is back now again). If you feel safe with all that going on, then I will freely trade living arrangements. Unfortunately in the real world, "why don't you move" isn't a very easy answer. I would love to be able to get move out in the country with no neighbors for miles where 3S hunting is the norm.

edit: about the homeless guy, the police were called multiple times and never did anything until we got the mayor involved. Even then, the city next to ours was the one that ended up even doing anything about it.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Seems like a lot of people own Assault Rifles here (from the states)
Can I ask you why you guys own them? Other than military people why do you guys buy ARs and pistols? Do you hunt with them or just for the range?

I'm not against them or anything as I own 2 guns myself but strictly for hunting purposes so I just don't see the need for a pistol or an AR. Although if I could I'd probably buy one if they were allowed in Canada (they sort of are but are a hastle to get)
I'll stick with my trust break action 20ga and a .22 for now lol

The rifles you see are semi-automatic rifles, and therefore not assault rifles. An assault rifle is commonly accepted to be a rifle that is is chambered for an intermediate round, has select fire capability, and is fed from a detachable magazine. AR15's are incapable of select fire.

As far as uses go they are perfectly suited for self defense, especially of a static location (such as a home). The 5.56mm round has very manageable recoil, the three points of contact (shoulder stock, pistol grip, front grip) make it easy to aim and control, it is very accurate, and the magazine size allows the homeowner to defend against multiple assailants. The use of an AR15 in home defense is not without precedent;
http://bearingarms.com/ar-15s-weapons-war-said-another-ar-15-used-self-defense/
http://mic.com/articles/64663/5-people-who-used-an-ar-15-to-defend-themselves-and-it-probably-saved-their-lives
http://www.gunsandammo.com/rifles/ar-15/new-york-student-uses-ar-15-to-stop-home-invasion/


As an item of housekeeping I would ask that the OP also be respected going forward;

 djones520 wrote:
Since the other thread was locked, I'll try this and see if it works. Lets discuss the firearms you own, what you use them for, and online resources that you use to enhance your shooting experience. ANYONE is welcome post in here, but please keep it on the topic. Also share any online resources that you have for purchasing equipment, or just learning about the differant aspects of firearms.

 Alex C wrote:
An assault rifle has a fire selector allowing fully automatic fire. They are rare and expensive in the US, and require extensive paperwork, fees and background checks to legally acquire. Your typical AR-15 is semi-automatic, shooting once for each pull of the trigger.

If you have mag capacity limits on centerfire firearms, then it wouldn't apply to .22s/l/lr caliber firearms as the .22s/l/lr is a rimfire cartridge.

AR means "Armalite Rifle". It is not a catch-all for "military style" firearms.

It's also important to note that there actually are a few hundred thousand legally owned "machine guns" floating around the usa. Most are collector pieces, but some are owned by people who were willing to pay for the fees and do the paperwork and all that and now they legally own a fully automatic weapon.

Despite this, in the history of the USA, there has been exactly one crime committed with a legally owned machine gun. A SWAT officer took his issued submachinegun and shot someone who was cheating with his wife or something. When it comes to legally owned fully automatic firearms, our laws are unquestionably functional, and frankly overkill. There is absolutely no need to be concerned over US gun laws regarding fully automatic weapons.

Now, rarely a drug dealer from mexico or something will smuggle in an illegal assault rifle or something, but that's already very illegal and it has more to do with our drug laws than any gun control measures.

 chiefbigredman wrote:


I assumed that its just because you want them (I never understood the "its for home defense" reason but maybe that's cause I'm from Canada and I've always felt safe where I live, having guns because they are fun to shoot is a better reason for me...that's why I have a .22 lol).

Do you just go to the range to use them or can you guys use them anywhere? In Canada you can only use a pistol at a firing range which is why I don't own one (I could get one tho) just such a hastle here. And same with ARs here we can't have mags bigger than 5+1 (maybe its 4+1) for centerfire guns which is kinda weird when I can buy huge mags for ruger .22s like wut?

Im in the market for probably a bullpup design or one of the thousands of "M-4 clones" out there for the house.... Obviously the first thing is that I merely "Want" it... the second part of that is that with all the riots going on, Im not afraid that they'll suddenly come out to Unincorporated Washington, USA, but it never hurts to be prepared.

As for "Why" beyond "I want"... just look up what happened in Koreatown, LA during the April, 1992 riots... The long and short of it was that the police "abandoned" K-town to black/african-american rioters, and so the Korean shop owners all banded together on their rooftops and defended themselves, and their properties with rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc (there were reportedly a few full-auto rifles in the group, as they hadn't been banned yet), until the National Guard was able to move in and actually secure the area.


Basically, I don't want to be up gak creek without a paddle, JUST IN CASE some seriously fethed up stuff like that happens again.

Why I own 'assault rifles?' I consider it my civic duty.

most yanks and canucks dont own assault rifles.

they own modern semi automatic mag fed firearms which are completely different.

semi auto mag fed rifles are simple what everything is now a days, people use this kind of gun for the same reasons we dont use black powder and muskets or drive model T's anymore.

modern designs are what gets used, and if you dont know why you need a semi auto to hunt some things, or even where a pistol for hunting is needed/appropriate, I suggest you educate yourself as these things are real, and Canadians enjoyed these activities for many years with out it being a problem.

I can go out and hunt gophers, yotes, or whatever with a mag fed semi auto .223 rifle, legally, with just the regular license.

but other "scary looking" guns with the *exact same functionality* mags, semi auto, .223, are illegal to hunt with, because emotions > reason and facts with lots of people, especially zealous political types.



however we have literally been socially re engineered to believe that anything thats not a bolt action single shot rifle is and assault rifle.

heck people who made the laws what they are, are on public record as having said this.

Sharon Carstairs

"C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada."

you used to be able to own actual assault rifles up here as well,

"The fact is that no legal and privately-owned full automatic firearm has been used in any crime of violence in all of Canadian history."

— Charles Moore via Garry Breitkreuz
Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #444 < Off Site >, 1998 June 17

 MWHistorian wrote:
Why I own 'assault rifles?' I consider it my civic duty.

Good man!

 easysauce wrote:

modern designs are what gets used, and if you dont know why you need a semi auto to hunt some things, or even where a pistol for hunting is needed/appropriate, I suggest you educate yourself as these things are real, and Canadians enjoyed these activities for many years with out it being a problem.

I can go out and hunt gophers, yotes, or whatever with a mag fed semi auto .223 rifle, legally, with just the regular license.

Didn't mean to stir the pot with my previous comment.

Just for the record I am a gun owner and I have had my firearms lisence since I was 15 (turning 16 so I could get it) and I own a H&R pardner 20ga and a Ruger 10/22 carbine black synthetic.

I enjoy hunting and stuff I was just asking why people buy these guns. I feel I stirred the pot a bit accidentally so sorry about that but I'm not against it was just merely posing a question as to why they buy them because I don't see the function of a 20 round mag for hunting deer lol only for the range. But I'm too poor to afford the ammo for that haha

While you may not technically "need" a 30 round mag for hunting deer, I would consider it very desirable for home defense. Especially if there was also lots of large dangerous wildlife around. Of course I would also want a large caliber pistol for that same reason.

Guns also aren't exactly cheap, so if you have a budget you would want a gun that can do all the things you want/need a gun to do. An AR is perfectly capable of being used for hunting, its pretty accurate. It also is perfect for home defense and for just going to the range.

Most hunting regulations that I know of have mag capacity limits, so you likely wouldn't be feeding your hunting rifle with 20-30 round magazines.

But again, firearms are used for myriad things beyond hunting.

Of course, but the point is I can still use the gun. And just have a bunch of different mags.