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I enjoyed the SOLO movie, was bummed that, at the time, it appeared that there would never be a sequel, but...

https://www.cbr.com/solo-a-star-wars-story-sequel-series-disney-plus/

A Disney+ series starring the cast of Solo: A Star Wars Story is reportedly in development instead of another feature film.

I'll take it!

That'll actually fit better than a movie. Give a bit of space for the characters to breathe.

It’s far better suited to a TV series, to be honest.

Don’t get me wrong, I really like Solo: a Star Wars Story. As a film without the pedigree is very competent.

But for what they were looking to explore? Just not enough time for a cinematic effort.

I fully approve of this development, and if you don’t, you’re a bunghole.

I kinda wish they'd done that instead of a movie to begin with. They kinda crammed all of Han's life into a two hour movie and most every relevant event in his life into an absurdly short amount of time within the setting and I don't think it did the character justice.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I kinda wish they'd done that instead of a movie to begin with. They kinda crammed all of Han's life into a two hour movie and most every relevant event in his life into an absurdly short amount of time within the setting and I don't think it did the character justice.

Think of it as a high budget pilot?

So, then if Solo effectively becomes the pilot of a successful show, does that make "Who are your people.? ....Solo" the series's "Surrender the Huttlet or die"?

I don't know why they can't just let Han be. The only appeal at all behind the character was Harrison Ford's dry wit and portrayal. He was literally playing an alternate version of himself. He doesn't disappear into his roles like other actors do.

I thought it was dumb they crammed every little known detail of Han into the one story, right down to how he got his blaster, but otherwise the movie itself was entertaining enough. Bummed we won’t get more of the droid.

I'd certainly watch a series. done right it'll be the closest thing we get to Firefly 2.0

I haven't seen the film yet, but every time I bring it up the people in my office start laughing and call it Soylo. I'm not familiar with the term and I'm a little scared to google it for at the moment, all I have is a work computer....

I dunno why it wasn't a bad movie.

BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno why it wasn't a bad movie.

Decided to risk it and googled it. It has something to do with Incels, stopped reading the reddit thread after I learned that.

A show could be cool! But, to be honest I want to see some star wars with characters who's names I don't know. Kind of like Mando.

 Togusa wrote:
I haven't seen the film yet, but every time I bring it up the people in my office start laughing and call it Soylo. I'm not familiar with the term and I'm a little scared to google it for at the moment, all I have is a work computer....

Its a tedious over used phrase born out of intertube gak klaxons who's ideal male hero is the 80/90s beefcakes a la Arnie, Sly etc,properly manly mans being manly and taking no shirt from nobody, especially gurls (who are yukky as per playground directive 617)

Any chap hero daring to not fit into this box just gets tagged with the label for not being a real man (as Soy milk isnt real milk)

And as I liked Solo im kind of hopeful

I was not exactly enthusiastic about Solo (the movie) or The Mandalorian but if Emilia Clarke isn't in that sequel, I could give it a try.

Sounds good!

As someone else pointed out to me, it's entirely in keeping with Han Solo's character that every single really exciting thing happened to him on his first big job, and then he lived off the glory of that for years.

I love Solo. Excellent acting, plot, characters, score, and production design. Not sure it needs a sequel, at least not necessarily about Han and Chewie. I’d like to see more about Qi’ra and Lando.


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 Graphite wrote:
As someone else pointed out to me, it's entirely in keeping with Han Solo's character that every single really exciting thing happened to him on his first big job, and then he lived off the glory of that for years.

Yes, exactly. The Han we first meet in ANH is all mouth and trousers. Luke and us little kids in the audience think he’s so cool. But Obi Wan and (especially!) Leia see right through his swagger.

Han has a fake rep like Captain Kirk. Everyone has this image of Kirk as a reckless, womanizing cowboy but if you actually watch TOS he is a consummate professional. With Han, everyone thinks he is this hyper capable space pirate who has seen it all. This is probably because most people were introduced to the character when they were naive children but it also has to do with Harrison Ford being a cool actor. Nonetheless, the actual character is making it up as he goes and is fairly bumbling, at that.


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 Togusa wrote:
I'm not familiar with the term

It was coined or at least popularized by comicbook artist Ethan Van Sciver, who strategically grew his Youtube channel by making videos deriding supposedly left-liberal trends in pop culture, especially regarding The Last Jedi. The phrase derives from “soyboy” which is an insult for a male who allegedly presents himself as an “ally” to feminist women criticizing pop culture for being (among other things) misogynistic, albeit in truth for less than noble motives. It’s a variation on “whiteknight” emphasizing the questionable masculinity of the target. Van Sciver and other YouTube creators aligned with his way of thinking call themselves the Fandom Menace. Because so many people were really angry about TLJ, the Fandom Menace channels got a ton of subscribers by focusing on criticizing it and the reactions against their criticisms. In other words, TLJ was a huge gravy train for them. And naturally they wanted to continue riding the gravy train with Solo, which was already suffering from rumors about the directorial change, Ehrenreich’s acting, and Lando’s pansexuality. Part of Van Sciver’s humor is using buzzwords to refer to people and things he criticizes (e.g., “Roundhead Rian Johnson,” “Cray Cray Kay Kay” for Kathleen Kennedy); hence Solo became “Soylo” with the implicit criticism that the cool scoundrel seen in the original trilogy was being retroactively edited into something more acceptable to today’s leftists.

 Manchu wrote:
I love Solo. Excellent acting, plot, characters, score, and production design. Not sure it needs a sequel, at least not necessarily about Han and Chewie. I’d like to see more about Qi’ra and Lando.


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 Graphite wrote:
As someone else pointed out to me, it's entirely in keeping with Han Solo's character that every single really exciting thing happened to him on his first big job, and then he lived off the glory of that for years.

Yes, exactly. The Han we first meet in ANH is all mouth and trousers. Luke and us little kids in the audience think he’s so cool. But Obi Wan and (especially!) Leia see right through his swagger.

Han has a fake rep like Captain Kirk. Everyone has this image of Kirk as a reckless, womanizing cowboy but if you actually watch TOS he is a consummate professional. With Han, everyone thinks he is this hyper capable space pirate who has seen it all. This is probably because most people were introduced to the character when they were naive children but it also has to do with Harrison Ford being a cool actor. Nonetheless, the actual character is making it up as he goes and is fairly bumbling, at that.

You're absolutely right, Solo is The Anti Kirk!

In every film, Han Solo Fouls Up. Or has just fouled up.

Solo - opening scene. Flees from a deal that just went REALLY badly wrong. Ends up begging for his life from a crime boss. Flukes it.
Recruited into the Empire as a pilot. Fouls up. Busted down to below-storm-trooper grunt.
Train robbery. Fouls up. Loses the score. Now in deep with an even worse crime boss.
Manages to con said crime boss and get him killed. Trusts Qi'ra. This again turns out to be a mistake.

The only mistakes Han doesn't make are when he a) comes up with a plan to get Chewie out of the pit and b) lets Chewie rescue his people. Chewie knows. Chewie knows that Han is a total failure at everything except piloting and talking his way out of trouble, but he owes the kid and seems to quite like him. And to be fair,Han is a very good pilot. The trouble he's talked his way out of always catches up eventually though. I have a theory that the half of the conversation from Chewie that we can't understand is him slagging off Han for Fouling Up Again.

ANH - Han Solo Has Just Fouled Up and (again) owes a crime boss. And probably not for the first time. Even a guy as maniacal as Jabba isn't going to send bounty hunters after you and turn up on your ships docking ramp in person for the first cargo that goes south. Ditched cargos due to Imperial inspections are going to be a business overhead to Jabba.

ESB - Han Solo Has Still Fouled Up with Jabba, and manages to have his escape ship partly in bits when the Empire comes knocking.
Makes a run for it to Cloud City. Meets Lando, who honestly can't believe that someone as competent as Chewbacca is still hanging out with this idiot. Gets himself deep frozen.

RotJ - His (Terrifying and ferocious, very obviously a chip off her Dad's block) future wife puts an end to his debts by strangling a crime boss to death. Han Fouls Up by losing her in a Teddy-Bear-Monster infested forest. Chewie fouls up for a change and gets them caught in a net. Realistically Han does nothing of particular worth that the Rebels wouldn't have managed without him.

TFA - Han Has Just Fouled Up Horribly For 30 Years. His son is an evil delinquent, he's lost his ship, most of the crew of his new ship have been eaten and not one, but TWO crime syndicates have just broken down the door because he owes them money. Turns up at Maz's place. She can't believe that Chewie is still hanging out with him either, and wants to talk to "Her Wookie" (presumably in the hope of having a conversation with the actual grown up of the two)
Thinks he's turned Ben back to the light side. Gets stabbed. Falls in a pit.

Honestly, if the series isn't a constant parade of Han Fouls Up then they've misread the character.

As long as the TV show doesn't involve appearances by all the star wars characters we've already seen (Except Jabba eventually) i'll be happy,

take it somewhere new, have him foul up with a totally different set of characters, let him look good piloting and conning people but expand the universe, that's what will make it interesting, meeting young (insert existing character) is not the way to go

I'm pretty sure Lando is slated to be in this, but that seems fair enough given that they've obviously got a fairly close relationship by the time of ESB, to the extent that Han knows where he lives. Amd Qi'ra would be a reasonable recurring villain.

Ray Park is now.... very unlikely to be in this.


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Of course, given who the Falcon's Navicomputer is, it may not be Han who's been keeping tabs on Lando.

 Graphite wrote:
I'm pretty sure Lando is slated to be in this, but that seems fair enough given that they've obviously got a fairly close relationship by the time of ESB, to the extent that Han knows where he lives. Amd Qi'ra would be a reasonable recurring villain.

Ray Park is now.... very unlikely to be in this.

Which is fine... on multiple levels, really.

They could hire an actual actor, rather than a dancer/sword-stunt guy.
Or they could stop beating this dead, eviscerated corpse of a character. How many deaths does one man need?

Well, given Obi-Wan got the job done, and Maul’s ressurrection was put to amazing use in Clone Wars and Rebels?

I for one want to know how Maul went from ( secret) head of one of the most powerful crime syndicates in the Galaxy, to the poor wretch we meet on Malachor

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, given Obi-Wan got the job done, and Maul’s ressurrection was put to amazing use in Clone Wars and Rebels?

I for one want to know how Maul went from ( secret) head of one of the most powerful crime syndicates in the Galaxy, to the poor wretch we meet on Malachor

I honestly didn't care for how less violent the new ret-conned version of Maul's death was compared to the original's dismemberment (watched the scene in Rebels a bunch of times trying to figure out where Obi-wan hit him that was fatal. It looks like he hit him in the face, but then we get the long gasping for breath good-bye, so that wasn't it).

Obiwan is an expert swordsman: he cut Maul’s will to live.

(A fatal condition in that galaxy.)

That's nothing, Rian Johnson did that to millions of people at once.

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's nothing, Rian Johnson did that to millions of people at once.

that Looper feint was next level genius, he can make a half decent flim with Willis, imagine what he could do with proper actors (and Daiz)...

I get annoyed at ret-cons to bring characters back to life because they always end up cheapening the original. But in Star Wars, it just seems like so much fan fiction to bring a character back to life and have them do basically everything everywhere in the setting.



And with Maul- they didn't bring back Darth Maul: The Silent Sith Assassin from The Phantom Menace- they brought back a dude that constantly lectures everyone around him. In Ep1, they killed him without ever knowing whether or not he was the apprentice or master. There is no way that the Maul from Clone Wars and Rebels would ever have resisted a condescending Blowfeldian speech on the subject of 'light' and 'dark' and the philosophies of the Sith.



But Maul's ret-con just brings up more questions than it could possibly answer. Maul, apparently can do a lot of things 'through the force.'


- When Maul didn't die to cut-in-half syndrome, where did he go? What is actually at the bottom of that seemingly bottomless pit underneath the Naboo palace? And what do the people of the palace use it for anyway?

- He somehow went to Lotho Minor- an Outer Rim planet, though it is very clear that he wasn't sane enough to actually do anything at the time.

The official sources say that someone on Naboo took Maul's top half to an outer rim world and dropped him off in a junk yard. Why? Is it standard practice for the Naboo to transport their garbage across the galaxy? And not to distinguish between random garbage and corpses?

I mean, in the days of the Empire, it is standard procedure to dump the junk into space in order to save fuel when going to light-speed,. so this seems like a very expensive way to deal with garbage you don't care about. I'm a little more surprised that the Jedi didn't go find the body to look for clues about his identity, origin and motives. You know, like you do when you're not sure whether the guy you just killed was a Sith Lord or Apprentice.


- When you're missing your lower half, there are a lot of health problems to go with it. Having a full stop in your digestive track leads to a painful death, so the mechanical appendages that he creates "through the force"

Don't tell me that Maul's alien species is different- aliens in Star Wars can breed with humans so their anatomy has to be really close.


- So Maul has a super awesome force power where he can will mechanical objects together and create very complex, functioning machines. Why the hell can't he fix the wreck of one of those ships on Malachor and get away? Why does he wait around for some naive force sensitive to trick into opening the temple when he could go to somewhere else in the universe instead?

I’ll counter that.....

Clone Wars introduced us to both Maul and Ahsoka.

The pair of them were highly competent Force users, who wound up deeply disillusioned with the, shall we call them Colleges, they attended.

Maul saw the Sith path for what it was, and forged his own path.

Ahsoka in particular saw the Jedi falling from their Ivory Tower.

From there, they serve as cyphers for the audience. A way to explore flaws and foibles, without pooping on characters that would make it into the OT.

Yes there are unanswered questions. No the portrayal etc isn’t flawless. But both have serious merits for digging into the mythos and background.

As for Maul’s initial survival? Lightsabers cauterise as they cut - Ponda Baba’s arm being a notable exception, which we can perhaps put down to unique biology.

What he suffered was a grievous wound to be sure. But, in a section of the body which contains no organs required for immediate survival. For example, stab wounds to the abdomen have a high survival rate, precisely because they don’t hit lungs, heart, live, kidneys etc.

The biggest flaw, beyond *** *** ***** in the prequel trilogy was simply bumping off Maul. That I’ll totally agree with.

But without his resurrection, and subsequent campaign of terror with the Crime Syndicates, Clone Wars would be far worse off. And frankly, Rebels would’ve been denied it’s crowning glory of a scene.

As for Malachor? It’s clear he’s gone completely insane, again. What I want to know is how did he go from leading Crimson Dawn, to being broken once again on Malachor? Perhaps he wasn’t on Malachor all that long? Perhaps he had a vision, and decided to walk away from Crimson Dawn, in the hope of supplanting Palpatine?

 Togusa wrote:
[But, to be honest I want to see some star wars with characters who's names I don't know. Kind of like Mando.

That is my take. A whole universe with unlimited possibilities, I am tired of hearing about the same handful of people - let alone one who already had an entire movie dedicated to the topic.

This is what the various tv series have excelled at.

Clone Wars introduced Ahsoka, and many smaller characters. It expanded the prequel era, showing off just how cunning Palpatine was.

Rebels? Sure, there are known faces (Vader here and there, Tarkin, Thrawn, Ahsoka and Maul), but the main crew are entirely new, as are Governor Pryce, Agent Kallus, Jun Sato etc.

Resistance (the least regarded of the animated shows) basically has Poe Dameron show up every now and then.

Solo also introduced quite a few characters. As did Rogue One and evening the prequels. The Mando is the only one I’m fairly certain has an entirely new cast for season 1? Don’t think there were any cameos at all? Season 2 of course has Boba Fett and Ahsoka confirmed - though in what capacity remains to be seen.

The assassin droid is the closest I know of to a previously existing character, but then also the fancy black saber macguffin at the end. Season two kind of perturbs me just because of how many known characters they keep announcing for it. I would have rather it continue it’s own thing.