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It's very similar to Battlescribe but with rules/stats visible during selections.

Also, still in Beta so they're giving a free month.

Been playing with it a bit right now with the app updated, making my Harlequins list. I really like it. This will be my army builder moving forward, especially as it's so much easier to read and use than battlescribe.

It's there which is a plus. It still has issues, (Ie I was able to give a Daemon prince from a Deathguard detachment warlord traits from Nurgle Daemons codex and the Daemons Toll relic even though he is not eligible for it.

So basically, it's nice for friendly building but it is 100% not ready for being used as a RAW source.

But that's what I expect from a BETA product so I am happy so far.

I'm not seeing any reason to use this over Battlescribe and at least one good reason not to

Worth noting the "free beta" is for subscribers only from what I can see.
Sorry to clairfy - it still wants to charge me £3.99, it's not clear how "free" that is tbh.

It’s still buggy and missing stuff and loads slow in spots, but it’s not a bad start for a beta.

Billicus wrote:
I'm not seeing any reason to use this over Battlescribe and at least one good reason not to

Not having to constantly go back and forth between the unit entry and full list to see what each relic or Warlord trait does is more than enough to put it over Battlescribe for me. All the other ease of use features are icing on the cake past that.

At least they have a dedicated feedback survey monkey page to report bugs. I would say that will get a lot of use hahaah.

As Deathguard are my main faction and there is a chance the new codex was given most attention I am going to hold off on feedback until that is out.

Dudeface wrote:
Worth noting the "free beta" is for subscribers only from what I can see.
Sorry to clairfy - it still wants to charge me £3.99, it's not clear how "free" that is tbh.

I take back what I initially said--they do bill it as free for a month. Might be they haven't 'activated' that correctly?

Note that there is a survey you can fill out with suggestions/input.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I'm not seeing any reason to use this over Battlescribe and at least one good reason not to

Not having to constantly go back and forth between the unit entry and full list to see what each relic or Warlord trait does is more than enough to put it over Battlescribe for me. All the other ease of use features are icing on the cake past that.

Is that worth $5 a month though?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Worth noting the "free beta" is for subscribers only from what I can see.
Sorry to clairfy - it still wants to charge me £3.99, it's not clear how "free" that is tbh.

It never says "free", it says "first month free".



Note that there is a survey you can fill out with suggestions/input.

The email flyer is "TRY IT FOR FREE"

Even then as per that image I expect the subscription screen not to be asking me for £3.99. "Free for 1 month, £3.99 thereafter" isn't a big thing to amend.

Like my amended post says, maybe they haven't activated it correctly?

I genuinely cannot think of a good way to word it so that certain folks don't just keep subscribing/unsubscribing for the free month.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I'm not seeing any reason to use this over Battlescribe and at least one good reason not to

Not having to constantly go back and forth between the unit entry and full list to see what each relic or Warlord trait does is more than enough to put it over Battlescribe for me. All the other ease of use features are icing on the cake past that.

Can you even do that in this though? I've been told you have to click through to another page to read the full rules, you just get the statline

 AduroT wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I'm not seeing any reason to use this over Battlescribe and at least one good reason not to

Not having to constantly go back and forth between the unit entry and full list to see what each relic or Warlord trait does is more than enough to put it over Battlescribe for me. All the other ease of use features are icing on the cake past that.

Is that worth $5 a month though?

For me, yes. Especially as I'm already paying the $5 a month to get all the rules for my main army, as it doesn't have a 9th edition codex yet.

Do you have trouble adding up numbers?
A calculator beyond the scope of your abilities?
Pen and paper just too "out there"?
Does Microsoft Excel scare you?

Then pay monthly for an army builder that you can use on a tiny mobile phone touch screen.

Bargain!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like my amended post says, maybe they haven't activated it correctly?

I genuinely cannot think of a good way to word it so that certain folks don't just keep subscribing/unsubscribing for the free month.

The T&C's cover that the free month period is only eligible is a subscription is placed before 9th Jan, then your books and codes won't carry over if you used a new account each time.

It's just a lazy hurdle that's off putting, the archaic subscription mechanism and the lack of clarity has immediately put me off. It would be better to actually genuinely make it free and just suspend the service after 1 month unless you enter payment details, more people will get on board and provide feedback. Hell if they like it they might even subscribe properly.

Doohicky wrote:
It's there which is a plus. It still has issues, (Ie I was able to give a Daemon prince from a Deathguard detachment warlord traits from Nurgle Daemons codex and the Daemons Toll relic even though he is not eligible for it.

So basically, it's nice for friendly building but it is 100% not ready for being used as a RAW source.

But that's what I expect from a BETA product so I am happy so far.

No army building　software can nor should be　used as raw source. Nor is that purpose.

Btw one function it has that i have missed from bs is ability to move unit from 1 det to another as is. But am i missing unit duplication?

Hell, make it so you can have 1 list for free, and if you subscribe you unlock multiple lists. Or just lock saving behind the paywall. There are countless better ways of doing this than making you subscribe, and telling you in the small print that don't worry, they won't bill you yet, so that's kind of free

I never got the free month the last time the advertised one...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do you have trouble adding up numbers?
A calculator beyond thE scope of your abilities?
Pen and paper just too "out there"?
Does Microsoft Excel scare you?

Then pay monthly for an army builder that you can use on a tiny mobile phone touch screen.

Bargain!

This is such a tired argument against list building apps. Having the ability to do the math for building a detachment is irrelevant when you can hardly determine what all the options available to you are. The 9E unit cards have certainly helped with that, but there's so much housekeeping and flipping between pages to determine options that make an app appealing. Why would you not want something that presents an easy to use dropdown for what weapons a unit can take from multiple lists, or caps you at the right limit of options so you don't make a mistake.

Yeah, not paying for a Beta product. Battlescribe works well enough - for free.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do you have trouble adding up numbers?
A calculator beyond the scope of your abilities?
Pen and paper just too "out there"?
Does Microsoft Excel scare you?

Then pay monthly for an army builder that you can use on a tiny mobile phone touch screen.

Bargain!

Your "argument" falls apart the moment you remember stuff like battlescribe exists . Thus revealing your sole purpose in thread is to troll

Even for an Alpha Vetsion this would be garbage, let alone Beta:
No way to give Wraithblades Axes, no psychic powers, no Exarch powers, Wraithlords only with the base loadout, cannot take more than 6 Dire Avengers, no way to make a model the Warlord, no custom Craftworlds. What were they thinking to go public with this? Was their reputation not trashed enough after the non-launch in the summer?

The app is completely useless. No comparison to BattleScribe.

edit: I have found the Wraithlord options.
edit2: ...or not. The options have vanished again.
efit3: It seems that Ynnari Wraithlords do not have loadout option, but Alaitoc Wraothlord do. For a second I thought, the mistake was my own... How naive.

Vovin wrote:
Even for an Alpha Vetsion this would be garbage, let alone Beta:
No way to give Wraithblades Axes, no psychic powers, no Exarch powers, Wraithlords only with the base loadout, cannot take more than 6 Dire Avengers, no way to make a model the Warlord, no custom Craftworlds. What were they thinking to go public with this? Was their reputation not trashed enough after the non-launch in the summer?

The app is completely useless. No comparison to BattleScribe.

edit: I have found the Wraithlord options.
edit2: ...or not. The options have vanished again.
efit3: It seems that Ynnari Wraithlords do not have loadout option, but Alaitoc Wraothlord do. For a second I thought, the mistake was my own... How naive.

Ynnari Wraithlords and wraithblades have options for me (weapons and axes), and you can choose psychic powers and warlord traits. The warhammer community article says that the custom traits are coming soon. It's a Beta, there will be issues at launch, but the bugs will be worked out. But, there is no obligation to use the new app. I'm excited to have options besides just battlescribe.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do you have trouble adding up numbers?
A calculator beyond the scope of your abilities?
Pen and paper just too "out there"?
Does Microsoft Excel scare you?

Then pay monthly for an army builder that you can use on a tiny mobile phone touch screen.

Bargain!

Your "argument" falls apart the moment you remember stuff like battlescribe exists . Thus revealing your sole purpose in thread is to troll

The existence and popularity of Piratescribe would appear to prove two things - firstly, that a lot of people appear to fall into groups along the lines HBMC suggested. Secondly, a lot of people appear to feel entitled to get access to rules content for free, rather than paying the content creator.

I made a Marines army list but it seems I don't get the refund in CP for my warlord in a Patrol Detachment? (It reads 6cp left out of 8)

@jaredb: not for me. Even if you choose wargear before you attach the unit to a detachment, it resets to the default, once you do.

Vovin wrote:
@jaredb: not for me. Even if you choose wargear before you attach the unit to a detachment, it resets to the default, once you do.

Weird, maybe it's an IoS vs Android issue. Send them a report (link is in the warhammer community article), with the issues you found.

The release makes it sound like they don't even have sub-factions or stratagem-based abilities, so all the advertising copy above about how it's the "official way to make a 40k list" is obviously wrong. The lists you generate with this thing don't actually work yet and are not official, even aside from the myriad of the bugs that will no doubt be in it too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do you have trouble adding up numbers?
A calculator beyond the scope of your abilities?
Pen and paper just too "out there"?
Does Microsoft Excel scare you?

Then pay monthly for an army builder that you can use on a tiny mobile phone touch screen.

Bargain!

B-b-b-but it's an official Games Workshop(tm) app! I have to use this because- I have to!

Also thanks for funding the alpha version to the people who were handing money over for this before I guess?

 Dysartes wrote:

The existence and popularity of Piratescribe would appear to prove two things - firstly, that a lot of people appear to fall into groups along the lines HBMC suggested. Secondly, a lot of people appear to feel entitled to get access to rules content for free, rather than paying the content creator.

I'm pretty sure the vast, vast majority of people - like 99% of them - who were using Battlescribe had already paid money for the codexes. All Battlescribe did was facilitate an alternative way to write up an army list.