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Well just finished reading Saturnine. I think it’s pretty clear Black Library had no clue what to do with the Sisters of Silence and have made the whole faction a joke.

Basically their leader Krole gets trampled by Kharn and he doesn’t even realise. Bug on a windshield basically. Apparently this is in the same vein as the book where he kills Celestine. Not sure why they’re pushing a meme of him killing all the girls to make him look tough but there you go. Maybe he’ll splat Jain Zar or Yvraine or Lelith next for those fearsome accomplishments.

The problem is that the Sisters of Silence are meant to be one of the Emperors secret armies and meant to be able to keep up with the Custodians. This is an individual who sits at the right hand of the Emperor. You don’t get to that level of esteem by being a bug on the windshield. If she could be killed by a space marine running into her then why would the Emperor bother wasting resources recruiting a whole army of them? Why do the null abilities and power armour not offset Kharnes Chaos magic? In pure stats she’s better than Celestine and I’ve killed Kharn with her before.

It’s an incredibly poor joke. I really doubt Valdor would have a titan fall on him. It doesn’t make Kharn (not even a two dollar demon prince) more badass. It’s like, oh well that just happened. Imagine if Kharn just ran into a normal Custodian and killed him? It’s incredibly dumb and by killing the faction leader that way is a real backhanded way to depict the faction. The writers obviously had no idea what to do with the Sisters of Silence. So they upped the body count which isn’t even mentioned in the aftermath. They got a lot of attention in Eisenstein and really nothing after that. How on earth can you take them seriously after that? Oh we’ve got a few thousand of them to help board Horus flagship. Well that’s going to go well. I mean, how are they meant to fight Flesh Hounds and other demons when they’re stronger than space marines? Just run into them, it’s fine.

One is a superbly trained Human.

The other is Kharn The Betrayer, a superbly trained, post-human killing machine driven to utmost rage.

You.....expected anything else?

Kharn, a non-psyker and blessed by Khorne, has destroyed far more dangerous than a Sister of Silence. Did you know in 6-7th he had a decent chance to one-round a whole Imperial Knight?

I think you're gonna pull through just fine.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
One is a superbly trained Human.

The other is Kharn The Betrayer, a superbly trained, post-human killing machine driven to utmost rage.

You.....expected anything else?

One is a soulless witch with unnatural powers who commands an army that makes war alongside the Custodians and cleansed Prospero. Who sits in the same company as Valdor alongside the Emperor.

One is a glorified aspiring champion apparently too unworthy to ascend to demonhood. What, debatable powers he had would stop working once he goes near a null.

You’re not talking about some cookie cutter Canoness here. Quite aside from the issue marines are not ever shown able to kill a power armour equipped opponent by running at them. This is a faction leader. Making them a throw away character like that badly tarnishs the faction reputation and does nothing for Kharn. I am not seeing a win here.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Kharn, a non-psyker and blessed by Khorne, has destroyed far more dangerous than a Sister of Silence. Did you know in 6-7th he had a decent chance to one-round a whole Imperial Knight?

I think you're gonna pull through just fine.

He didn’t kill the Knight by running into it.

Also Heresy era Kharn here.

Sisters of Silenced worked on Prospero because of their effect on Psykers. It’s not just interfering with their abilities - it physically affects them.

Kharn is a raving loony.

Again. What did you expect would happen? Kharn has strength magnitudes beyond hers, far greater combat experience, and at best comparable levels of skill. You don’t fight someone like that. You. Shoot. Them. A lot. And then keep shooting them.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
One is a superbly trained Human.

The other is Kharn The Betrayer, a superbly trained, post-human killing machine driven to utmost rage.

You.....expected anything else?

One is a soulless witch with unnatural powers who commands an army that makes war alongside the Custodians and cleansed Prospero. Who sits in the same company as Valdor alongside the Emperor.

One is a glorified aspiring champion apparently too unworthy to ascend to demonhood. What, debatable powers he had would stop working once he goes near a null.

You’re not talking about some cookie cutter Canoness here. Quite aside from the issue marines are not ever shown able to kill a power armour equipped opponent by running at them. This is a faction leader. Making them a throw away character like that badly tarnishs the faction reputation and does nothing for Kharn. I am not seeing a win here.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Kharn, a non-psyker and blessed by Khorne, has destroyed far more dangerous than a Sister of Silence. Did you know in 6-7th he had a decent chance to one-round a whole Imperial Knight?

I think you're gonna pull through just fine.

He didn’t kill the Knight by running into it.

Also Heresy era Kharn here.

I mean I've seen his stats and he's still a monster for all intents and purposes. Also I'd reckon a Space Marine into either of us at full speed would knock us unconscious at MINIMUM, wearing armor or not.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sisters of Silenced worked on Prospero because of their effect on Psykers. It’s not just interfering with their abilities - it physically affects them.

Kharn is a raving loony.

Again. What did you expect would happen? Kharn has strength magnitudes beyond hers, far greater combat experience, and at best comparable levels of skill. You don’t fight someone like that. You. Shoot. Them. A lot. And then keep shooting them.

He’s not the Hulk. He hasn’t ascended to demonhood or become a possessed. His strength should still be the same as a normal marines. The whole picking up a Rhino was dumb and there’s no precedent for that with normal chaos space marines. If a Thousand Son can’t kill Krole by running at her why should Kharn?

The same reason Celestine goes one on one with Abaddon and kills a Demon Prince. 40k has these big sword fights and yes being a Space Marine does not put you in some invincible class where you’re a pushover. I am sure Kharn would die if Joe sent a nuke in his direction but that would be a pretty dull story. In fact if he’s been able to do this why didn’t he just run into Celestine and have to make the effort chopping her head off?

If he’s a raving loony that should make him easier to kill...let’s run into the Null with the instant death sword.

It physically affects anything with a soul. Not just psykers. His power is from the warp. That vanished if he fights a null. At that point he’s just a normal marine and should fight on those terms.

I don’t see why a poor joke should be made at the expense of making an entire faction a joke. It would be pretty poor if Ghazgul killed Yarrick by running over him. Please, pray tell, what is the upside with this story point?


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
One is a superbly trained Human.

The other is Kharn The Betrayer, a superbly trained, post-human killing machine driven to utmost rage.

You.....expected anything else?

One is a soulless witch with unnatural powers who commands an army that makes war alongside the Custodians and cleansed Prospero. Who sits in the same company as Valdor alongside the Emperor.

One is a glorified aspiring champion apparently too unworthy to ascend to demonhood. What, debatable powers he had would stop working once he goes near a null.

You’re not talking about some cookie cutter Canoness here. Quite aside from the issue marines are not ever shown able to kill a power armour equipped opponent by running at them. This is a faction leader. Making them a throw away character like that badly tarnishs the faction reputation and does nothing for Kharn. I am not seeing a win here.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Kharn, a non-psyker and blessed by Khorne, has destroyed far more dangerous than a Sister of Silence. Did you know in 6-7th he had a decent chance to one-round a whole Imperial Knight?

I think you're gonna pull through just fine.

He didn’t kill the Knight by running into it.

Also Heresy era Kharn here.

I mean I've seen his stats and he's still a monster for all intents and purposes. Also I'd reckon a Space Marine into either of us at full speed would knock us unconscious at MINIMUM, wearing armor or not.

Power armour. Sisters can take being shot by autocannons. At worst she’d have been knocked over and had a few broken ribs.

I might be misremembering but I am sure Krole has better initiative, weapon skill and her sword has instant death as well as bonus strength. I’ll have to double check the profile as it’s been a few years but I’ve killed Kharn before with Krole before. She’s not a bug on the windscreen to go down to the hammer of wrath attack Kharn doesn’t even have. My World Eater friend was not happy to say the least.

Hmm. Another crappy 40k novel. Imagine that.

The whole picking up a Rhino was dumb and there’s no precedent for that with normal chaos space marines.

wolfguard Ranulf lifted a land raider that got destroyed, and pushed it in to lave to create a bridge. Although he was larger then Russ. So doing some incredible feats of strenght is not beyond some space marines. And I think we can agree that Kharn falls in to the some cathegory, more then regular joe marine.

But yeah splating a faction leader that drains off psychic and warp entities is kind of meh. Only worse thing is probably faction leaders being killed off screen to replaced by something new. I guess this is an example of bad book .

ccs wrote:
Hmm. Another crappy 40k novel. Imagine that.

Nuh uh! My dad could beat up your dad!

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sisters of Silenced worked on Prospero because of their effect on Psykers. It’s not just interfering with their abilities - it physically affects them.

Kharn is a raving loony.

Again. What did you expect would happen? Kharn has strength magnitudes beyond hers, far greater combat experience, and at best comparable levels of skill. You don’t fight someone like that. You. Shoot. Them. A lot. And then keep shooting them.

He’s not the Hulk. He hasn’t ascended to demonhood or become a possessed. His strength should still be the same as a normal marines. The whole picking up a Rhino was dumb and there’s no precedent for that with normal chaos space marines. If a Thousand Son can’t kill Krole by running at her why should Kharn?

The same reason Celestine goes one on one with Abaddon and kills a Demon Prince. 40k has these big sword fights and yes being a Space Marine does not put you in some invincible class where you’re a pushover. I am sure Kharn would die if Joe sent a nuke in his direction but that would be a pretty dull story. In fact if he’s been able to do this why didn’t he just run into Celestine and have to make the effort chopping her head off?

If he’s a raving loony that should make him easier to kill...let’s run into the Null with the instant death sword.

It physically affects anything with a soul. Not just psykers. His power is from the warp. That vanished if he fights a null. At that point he’s just a normal marine and should fight on those terms.

I don’t see why a poor joke should be made at the expense of making an entire faction a joke. It would be pretty poor if Ghazgul killed Yarrick by running over him. Please, pray tell, what is the upside with this story point?


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
One is a superbly trained Human.

The other is Kharn The Betrayer, a superbly trained, post-human killing machine driven to utmost rage.

You.....expected anything else?

One is a soulless witch with unnatural powers who commands an army that makes war alongside the Custodians and cleansed Prospero. Who sits in the same company as Valdor alongside the Emperor.

One is a glorified aspiring champion apparently too unworthy to ascend to demonhood. What, debatable powers he had would stop working once he goes near a null.

You’re not talking about some cookie cutter Canoness here. Quite aside from the issue marines are not ever shown able to kill a power armour equipped opponent by running at them. This is a faction leader. Making them a throw away character like that badly tarnishs the faction reputation and does nothing for Kharn. I am not seeing a win here.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Kharn, a non-psyker and blessed by Khorne, has destroyed far more dangerous than a Sister of Silence. Did you know in 6-7th he had a decent chance to one-round a whole Imperial Knight?

I think you're gonna pull through just fine.

He didn’t kill the Knight by running into it.

Also Heresy era Kharn here.

I mean I've seen his stats and he's still a monster for all intents and purposes. Also I'd reckon a Space Marine into either of us at full speed would knock us unconscious at MINIMUM, wearing armor or not.

Power armour. Sisters can take being shot by autocannons. At worst she’d have been knocked over and had a few broken ribs.

I might be misremembering but I am sure Krole has better initiative, weapon skill and her sword has instant death as well as bonus strength. I’ll have to double check the profile as it’s been a few years but I’ve killed Kharn before with Krole before. She’s not a bug on the windscreen to go down to the hammer of wrath attack Kharn doesn’t even have. My World Eater friend was not happy to say the least.

Uh if Ghazzy ran over Yarrick I would expect him to die, yes.
Also if you're looking at the rules, Kharn has Rage, WS7 (8 in a challenge), and would wound on a 2+. Even with EW, she wouldn't last that long.
Being T3 and everyone fighting in story, it isn't unreasonable for her to die quickly.

Looks at artwork of 3rd ed Armageddon expansion with Ghaz running at Yarrick.

Yeah right.

If a human can go one on one with THAT without power armour or magical powers how is it unreasonable that the soulless abomination in power armour at the Emperors right hand can’t? Celestine is unaugmented and kills a demon prince. Sabbat kills a demon prince in Dan Abnetts own book so he’s just being plain inconsistent at this point. I doubt he’d have Gaunt or one of his Ghosts go down from a marine running into them.

The situation is that Kharn runs into an invisible woman in power armour. That results in her being knocked over and some bruises. The armours not just for show. I mean, by this logic Kharn should by running into Space Marines and killing them if the armour doesn’t work. Lasguns would be dropping marines if they didn’t have their armour. Having a faction leader go splat is a joke.

All this does is humiliate and backhand every Sisters of Silence army. It makes them a joke. If they show up again I ll be like. “Wow the best of you got splatted like a bug; you better sit this one out girls.”

Kroles sword has instant death, cuts through his armour and has better initiative. She’s got very good odds of killing Kharn or a Praetor style character.

Post the actual excerpt.


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 Totalwar1402 wrote:

The problem is that the Sisters of Silence are meant to be one of the Emperors secret armies and meant to be able to keep up with the Custodians.

Incidentally this isn't really true, not in a way that's relevant. A Custodian is much stronger, faster, tougher, and frankly more skilled in hand to hand combat than a Sisters of Silence is. The Sisters of Battle are supremely skilled human warriors so can "keep up" in that sense and their null qualities gives the Custodes a defense against the one thing they're particularly weak against, but the two are not comparable at all.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Post the actual excerpt.


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 Totalwar1402 wrote:

The problem is that the Sisters of Silence are meant to be one of the Emperors secret armies and meant to be able to keep up with the Custodians.

Incidentally this isn't really true, not in a way that's relevant. A Custodian is much stronger, faster, tougher, and frankly more skilled in hand to hand combat than a Sisters of Silence is. The Sisters of Battle are supremely skilled human warriors so can "keep up" in that sense and their null qualities gives the Custodes a defense against the one thing they're particularly weak against, but the two are not comparable at all.

I’ll add it up top in a bit.



We’re not talking about fought well and still died forgotten. We’re talking about taking a factions only character and getting run over the by the Juggernaught. Cho cho all aboard the Kharn train.

Being able to keep up with a Custodian is impressive and they have magical null powers to compensate.

they have magical null powers to compensate.

You seem kind of stuck on this. Their 'null powers' do nothing but make magic _not work_. Against the chosen champion of the god who cares nothing for magic... its a 'so what?' moment.

There's criticism to be made about a character being used as a speed bump, but anti-magic not working against a complete lack of magic isn't one of them.

Not to mention that even the pain aura from the null aura would mean absolutely nothing to someone like Kharn due to the nails anyway.

Voss wrote:

they have magical null powers to compensate.

You seem kind of stuck on this. Their 'null powers' do nothing but make magic _not work_. Against the chosen champion of the god who cares nothing for magic... its a 'so what?' moment.

There's criticism to be made about a character being used as a speed bump, but anti-magic not working against a complete lack of magic isn't one of them.

Chaos is magic. Kharns power comes from the chaos gods. A null field shuts that down same as if it’s a nurgle or tzeentch enchantment. Khorne is not immune from these things because it’s more physically based boons. At that point he’s just another marine one heavy bolter round from exploding like a water balloon.

You’re absolutely right. It’s an appalling way to depict a faction and renders them a massive joke. See this £40 model. Yeah, got trampled by an actually good faction lieutenant. Hey, if they want to take a dump on the faction fine.

Voss wrote:

they have magical null powers to compensate.

You seem kind of stuck on this. Their 'null powers' do nothing but make magic _not work_. Against the chosen champion of the god who cares nothing for magic... its a 'so what?' moment.

There's criticism to be made about a character being used as a speed bump, but anti-magic not working against a complete lack of magic isn't one of them.

they make chaos stuff stop working. So if you are pumped with gifts from the gods, and your whole inside has been rearranged to work with god given muscles etc, and suddenly someone cut of the juice, it could even be hard for someone to move.

Karol wrote:

Voss wrote:

they have magical null powers to compensate.

You seem kind of stuck on this. Their 'null powers' do nothing but make magic _not work_. Against the chosen champion of the god who cares nothing for magic... its a 'so what?' moment.

There's criticism to be made about a character being used as a speed bump, but anti-magic not working against a complete lack of magic isn't one of them.

they make chaos stuff stop working. So if you are pumped with gifts from the gods, and your whole inside has been rearranged to work with god given muscles etc, and suddenly someone cut of the juice, it could even be hard for someone to move.

I know. Why do incredibly powerful Thousand Sons spells instantly stop working but a boon of strength is immune?

 Totalwar1402 wrote:


I’ll add it up top in a bit.

Spoiler:

I see Kharn coming. Kharn, First Captain. He is a true giant. My null curse does not even slow him down, or give him pause. I raise my sword. Veracity. I speak in Kharns language. I.

The quad was washed with blood. Kharns rage was deeper than he had ever allowed it to be before. The Blood god drinks deep. A flicker. Kharn noticed the long number of his tally count had suddenly risen by one. A moment of confusion. He did not remember making another kill. He did not see anything but his axe is spitting blood. The rage makes everything a blur. The numbers did not matter. It never had. The flicker of confusion passed as the nails bit, and the fury deepened. He moved on.

We’re not talking about fought well and still died forgotten. We’re talking about taking a factions only character and getting run over the by the Juggernaught. Cho cho all aboard the Kharn train.

Being able to keep up with a Custodian is impressive and they have magical null powers to compensate.

So he didn't literally run through her. "He did not see anything but his axe spitting blood", he killed her with his chainaxe, he just didn't notice it because the nails whirring in his head has blinded him to his surroundings.

Krole is a normal human. She is orders of magnitude weaker and frailer than Kharn, as well as being slower. Kharn could literally cave her skull in by squeezing it with his fingers. Kharn is also the favored champion of Khorne, and as such has claim to being one of the top five most dangerous Marines in a melee, even disregarding his massive physical advantages over Krole. And no, there is no evidence her powers could negate Khorne's blessing and honestly? Even if she could, it doesn't matter. Kharn should still win the melee. But Khorne's blessings aren't like psychic abilities. If Khorne gives you superhuman big muscles, you don't lose them when in the presence of a Blank. Psykers are handicapped because they can no longer draw Warp energies to them; that's what Blanks do. Stop the flow of the Warp. Things the Warp has already mutated can't be lost.

Don't complain that Kharn was able to easily kill her, complain about the writer enabling a situation where Krole would fight Kharn in melee would come to pass. Because it would be far greater bs if she won or even stalemated him.

Even if his blessings were in any way affected by a Null Maiden? Kharn remains a Space Marine.

I’m really, really not sure why you’re struggling with this?

Why take SoS on Horus’ flagship if they’re so comparatively weedy? They’re psychic blanks. They’d halt, arguably reverse any weird warp shenanigans aboard. They’d weaken Daemons and the Daemon Possessed. And you’d take as many as you can muster simply because a) this is it. Do or die b) there’s literally no reason not to take them c) as explained above, they’re really, really bloody useful when the enemy is making heavy use of the Warp.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:


I’ll add it up top in a bit.

Spoiler:

I see Kharn coming. Kharn, First Captain. He is a true giant. My null curse does not even slow him down, or give him pause. I raise my sword. Veracity. I speak in Kharns language. I.

The quad was washed with blood. Kharns rage was deeper than he had ever allowed it to be before. The Blood god drinks deep. A flicker. Kharn noticed the long number of his tally count had suddenly risen by one. A moment of confusion. He did not remember making another kill. He did not see anything but his axe is spitting blood. The rage makes everything a blur. The numbers did not matter. It never had. The flicker of confusion passed as the nails bit, and the fury deepened. He moved on.

We’re not talking about fought well and still died forgotten. We’re talking about taking a factions only character and getting run over the by the Juggernaught. Cho cho all aboard the Kharn train.

Being able to keep up with a Custodian is impressive and they have magical null powers to compensate.

So he didn't literally run through her. "He did not see anything but his axe spitting blood", he killed her with his chainaxe, he just didn't notice it because the nails whirring in his head has blinded him to his surroundings.

Krole is a normal human. She is orders of magnitude weaker and frailer than Kharn, as well as being slower. Kharn could literally cave her skull in by squeezing it with his fingers. Kharn is also the favored champion of Khorne, and as such has claim to being one of the top five most dangerous Marines in a melee, even disregarding his massive physical advantages over Krole. And no, there is no evidence her powers could negate Khorne's blessing and honestly? Even if she could, it doesn't matter. Kharn should still win the melee. But Khorne's blessings aren't like psychic abilities. If Khorne gives you superhuman big muscles, you don't lose them when in the presence of a Blank. Psykers are handicapped because they can no longer draw Warp energies to them; that's what Blanks do. Stop the flow of the Warp. Things the Warp has already mutated can't be lost.

Don't complain that Kharn was able to easily kill her, complain about the writer enabling a situation where Krole would fight Kharn in melee would come to pass. Because it would be far greater bs if she won or even stalemated him.

He’s been killing a lot of people it could be anyones blood. I don’t take that to mean he killed her with an axe. Earlier on it emphasises the world eaters trampling things underfoot and Kroles monologue is cut abruptly off. There’s no suggestion he swung at her only that he was a big dumb lump of metal steaming towards her. The way it’s written is as a piece of dark humour where the hero gets swatted by a space marine without breaking stride. Bug on a windshield. I don’t see another reading of that.

I mean, really anyone could apply a fusion pistol to his face and melt what passes for his brains. Like if he’s not even paying attention then he’s just a puppet of flesh and bone. A sack of warm piss with blessings of Khorne would be as effective.

I agree. It has ruined the Sisters of Silence as a faction. Any appearance they make in the rest of the siege will be coloured by this moment. Oh yeah your leader died like a chump.

Kharn and his Killboyz are carving apart everything before them.

And you reckon you’d be calm enough, and the melee slow enough, for a precision headshot?

It seems you’re determined to die on this hill, doesn’t it?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Even if his blessings were in any way affected by a Null Maiden? Kharn remains a Space Marine.

I’m really, really not sure why you’re struggling with this?

Why take SoS on Horus’ flagship if they’re so comparatively weedy? They’re psychic blanks. They’d halt, arguably reverse any weird warp shenanigans aboard. They’d weaken Daemons and the Daemon Possessed. And you’d take as many as you can muster simply because a) this is it. Do or die b) there’s literally no reason not to take them c) as explained above, they’re really, really bloody useful when the enemy is making heavy use of the Warp.

Because it goes against them being one of the Emperors elite organisations if the faction leader can be killed by a hammer of wrath attack.

If they die by marines running at them and null magic doesn’t impact physical manifestations of chaos. They’re a liability. Same reason there’s no point sending guard up there. Why give them expensive power armour and bolters when your real soldiers are running short?

Well Chaos assault on space port should entail heavy use of chaos. But apparently the World Eaters and Khorne are immune to this.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kharn and his Killboyz are carving apart everything before them.

And you reckon you’d be calm enough, and the melee slow enough, for a precision headshot?

It seems you’re determined to die on this hill, doesn’t it?

Maybe not me. But the few thousand guys with all the plasma, earthshaker, demolisher cannons, macrocannons and tactical nukes. Yeah, he ain’t getting anywhere near me with that axe if we’re bringing realism into this all of a sudden.

Mechanically. Sister of Battle Canoness. Ebon Chalice. Max damage on melta from act of faith. Bye bye Kharn.

Firstly, this wasn't Khan as in Khab the betrayer, the total raving khorne looney, this was still closer to crusade era Khan than betrayer Khan (though, this is where it starts later in the battle when he is killed that he totally starts to lose the plot), one of the most elite space marines, in the upper echelons of ability with peers such as Sigismund who would be considered his equal, maybe not in technique but in pure ability to kill almost anything placed in-front of him other than a primarch level enemy.

Khan, well, most space marines would be able to kill a human by just running at them... That's some serious blunt force trauma to be dealt with.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Firstly, this wasn't Khan as in Khab the betrayer, the total raving khorne looney, this was still closer to crusade era Khan than betrayer Khan (though, this is where it starts later in the battle when he is killed), one of the most elite space marines, in the upper echelons of ability with peers such as Sigismund who would be considered his equal, maybe not in technique but in pure ability to kill almost anything placed in-front of him other than a primarch level enemy.

Khan, well, most space marines would be able to kill a human by just running at them... That's some serious blunt force trauma to be dealt with.

If you’re not wearing a suit of power armour.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Firstly, this wasn't Khan as in Khab the betrayer, the total raving khorne looney, this was still closer to crusade era Khan than betrayer Khan (though, this is where it starts later in the battle when he is killed), one of the most elite space marines, in the upper echelons of ability with peers such as Sigismund who would be considered his equal, maybe not in technique but in pure ability to kill almost anything placed in-front of him other than a primarch level enemy.

Khan, well, most space marines would be able to kill a human by just running at them... That's some serious blunt force trauma to be dealt with.

If you’re not wearing a suit of power armour.

Even in power armour. The power armour may look fine from the outside, it's not good if the inside is mush.

Hmmm. That bit of prose seems pretty awful, is a lot of it like that? I wanted to give this stuff a go.

 Da Boss wrote:
Hmmm. That bit of prose seems pretty awful, is a lot of it like that? I wanted to give this stuff a go.

Not too sure what prose is?

It is a stoic character thinking to herself in her last moment and a madman. More complex sentences in other parts of the text.

 Da Boss wrote:
Hmmm. That bit of prose seems pretty awful, is a lot of it like that?

IMO, yes.