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Ok 2020 was a fustercluck of epic proportions and i had things on my mind during it, like my mothers' declining health and eventual death.

Now that being said, i keep hearing stories about how the US military and some world government finally admitted that alien intelligence exists and alien vessels have been visually recorded.

I tried my bing fu skills and got conflicting reports both 'confirming' and denying this in near equal amounts. I saw some video that was supposed to be military footage of a jet's guncam tracking something that didn't look like a plane. Then again I also saw a pretty convincing image of a jet fighter tracking the disco enterprise..

So, my brothers, if some of you weren't as distracted in 2020 as i was, can you give me any solid answers on the question of whether or not alien existence was admitted in 2020? You'd think that would have been the one story didn;t get tired of following last year, but i had other things on my mind.

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If governments formally admitted to aliens beyond microbial then you can bet it wouldn't be hidden in the backwaters of the internet conspiracy websites.

I do seem to recall some interview happened with someone key high up and he gave one of those "he smiled" type answers to a question that made everyone go "Ohh could be real". In the sort of same way parents say Santa Clause is real to kids, look there's a real reindeer they do exist the first time kids see them or such.


But yeah aliens and alien ships being confirmed by the government? No chance.
Official government investigations into UFOs perfectly reasonable and expected; governments experimenting with spherical or abnormal shaped aircraft - perfectly normal and heck even way back to WWII the Nazis were developing and messing with some saucer shaped aircraft on the design board.



   
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A couple of military sources released 'possible' footage, and an Israeli ex high ranking intelligence officer claimed we'd be contacted by an "Galactic Federation" :

Wikipedia wrote:In December 2020, Eshed claimed in an interview with Israeli national newspaper Yediot Aharonot that the United States government had been in contact with extraterrestrial life for years and had signed secret agreements with a "Galactic Federation" in order to do experiments on Earth, and that there is a joint base underground on Mars where they collaborate with American astronauts.[20] He also stated that US president Donald Trump was aware of this and was "on the verge" of informing everyone of their existence, but was stopped by the "Galactic Federation", who wished to prevent mass hysteria.[21]
   
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 Overread wrote:
If governments formally admitted to aliens beyond microbial then you can bet it wouldn't be hidden in the backwaters of the internet conspiracy websites.

I do seem to recall some interview happened with someone key high up and he gave one of those "he smiled" type answers to a question that made everyone go "Ohh could be real". In the sort of same way parents say Santa Clause is real to kids, look there's a real reindeer they do exist the first time kids see them or such.


But yeah aliens and alien ships being confirmed by the government? No chance.
Official government investigations into UFOs perfectly reasonable and expected; governments experimenting with spherical or abnormal shaped aircraft - perfectly normal and heck even way back to WWII the Nazis were developing and messing with some saucer shaped aircraft on the design board.




Speaking of ww2, i hear that the "foo fighters" are still unexplained. Allies thought they were nazi, nazis thought they were allied.

I didn't totally believe it but wanted to get it to stop nagging at me.

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 Matt Swain wrote:


Speaking of ww2, i hear that the "foo fighters" are still unexplained. Allies thought they were nazi, nazis thought they were allied.


Not surprising in that both sides in a war would conduct their own secret research into new aircraft and weapons. So its very possible that pilots on both sides saw hints of both the enemy and their own sides developments. Sometimes by accident and perhaps sometimes by intent (eg you're testing a new stealth model so you fly it near to your current pilots - if they don't see it it works; if they do you get to have their full reports on what they saw, how they saw it etc...).


So people outside of the development programs would likely consider them Foo Fighters or UFOs even if others in different departments (not necessarily higher ranks) are well aware of what they are.

It's even very probable that different secret teams would have different projects along similar lines and might well end up knowing only a limited number of "secret" projects.




   
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The agency you’re looking for is AATIP and was a program which studied unidentified aircraft. There was several videos of navy pilot footage which was confirmed by military personnel.
As for the government admitting they were aliens? No way.
All that was admitted was that these were not US aircraft.
Nobody knows what they are, and no one wants to admit they might be extraterrestrial.

There was a sensationalized series about it on History. But you should be able to find the footage and has supposedly been confirmed as legit.
   
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That's probably all it actually is. Multiple secret development groups, and all interaction between the groups is filed under the convenient cover of "UFO reports".

Frankly, without the cultural phenomenon of UFOs it probably would be a lot tougher to keep a lid on top secret development of aircraft. You can easily brush off anybody who does see it as "crazy" because they're just claiming to have seen aliens. Meanwhile you get to have a good snicker while you file the reports in a UFO folder.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
I saw some video that was supposed to be military footage of a jet's guncam tracking something that didn't look like a plane. Then again I also saw a pretty convincing image of a jet fighter tracking the disco enterprise..


Thunderf00t does a pretty good debunking of the UFO videos.



   
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 Ghool wrote:
The agency you’re looking for is AATIP and was a program which studied unidentified aircraft. There was several videos of navy pilot footage which was confirmed by military personnel.
As for the government admitting they were aliens? No way.
All that was admitted was that these were not US aircraft.
Nobody knows what they are, and no one wants to admit they might be extraterrestrial.

There was a sensationalized series about it on History. But you should be able to find the footage and has supposedly been confirmed as legit.


Legit UFO footage is easy to find. Its just that the pop culture mentality doesn't understand that UFO is what it says on the tin. An object that is not identified.
It has squat to do with aliens, and everything to do with looking out for hazards when you're flying at 500+ mph. And if they're also going the same speed in a different direction in impaired visibility (night, fog, clouds), you've got seconds or less to identify them, especially if you're not on the ball with visual spotting.

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beast_gts wrote:
A couple of military sources released 'possible' footage, and an Israeli ex high ranking intelligence officer claimed we'd be contacted by an "Galactic Federation" :

Wikipedia wrote:In December 2020, Eshed claimed in an interview with Israeli national newspaper Yediot Aharonot that the United States government had been in contact with extraterrestrial life for years and had signed secret agreements with a "Galactic Federation" in order to do experiments on Earth, and that there is a joint base underground on Mars where they collaborate with American astronauts.[20] He also stated that US president Donald Trump was aware of this and was "on the verge" of informing everyone of their existence, but was stopped by the "Galactic Federation", who wished to prevent mass hysteria.[21]


The most unbelievable part of that whole story is the last half of the last sentence.

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Years ago during a flying lesson I noticed what appeared to be a large reflective silver disk above me at about my 2:00. It was moving erratically in weird directions...nothing that a plane could do. I pointed it out to my flying instructor, who did a double take on it.




At the same time, we said "balloon". It was a mylar kids balloon that had floated up a few thousand feet and was bouncing around in the breeze. Because it was against a clear sky, it was hard at first to determine if it was a small object close by or a larger one farther away. Darned it if didn't match those old "flying saucer" sightings in just about every single aspect.

Lots of things can be in the sky, and some of it may look weird at first. "It's aliens" is a pretty colossal leap.

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Voss wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
The agency you’re looking for is AATIP and was a program which studied unidentified aircraft. There was several videos of navy pilot footage which was confirmed by military personnel.
As for the government admitting they were aliens? No way.
All that was admitted was that these were not US aircraft.
Nobody knows what they are, and no one wants to admit they might be extraterrestrial.

There was a sensationalized series about it on History. But you should be able to find the footage and has supposedly been confirmed as legit.


Legit UFO footage is easy to find. Its just that the pop culture mentality doesn't understand that UFO is what it says on the tin. An object that is not identified.
It has squat to do with aliens, and everything to do with looking out for hazards when you're flying at 500+ mph. And if they're also going the same speed in a different direction in impaired visibility (night, fog, clouds), you've got seconds or less to identify them, especially if you're not on the ball with visual spotting.


That’s my take as well, and it very likely has nothing to do with aliens.
I watched some of that show which was sensationalist BS meant to improve ratings.
It’s clear that all of these shows have an agenda to push. But I still watch Ancient Aliens simply for the interesting sites they visit.
As for aliens? You’d think a super advanced civilization wouldn’t bother wasting time and fuel on a backwards planet and species that still goes to war with itself.

So yes, I agree that UFOs are just that - unidentified.
Aliens is a massive stretch.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
A couple of military sources released 'possible' footage, and an Israeli ex high ranking intelligence officer claimed we'd be contacted by an "Galactic Federation" :

Wikipedia wrote:In December 2020, Eshed claimed in an interview with Israeli national newspaper Yediot Aharonot that the United States government had been in contact with extraterrestrial life for years and had signed secret agreements with a "Galactic Federation" in order to do experiments on Earth, and that there is a joint base underground on Mars where they collaborate with American astronauts.[20] He also stated that US president Donald Trump was aware of this and was "on the verge" of informing everyone of their existence, but was stopped by the "Galactic Federation", who wished to prevent mass hysteria.[21]


Not much of federation when each planet would be in essence independent without realistlc contact with each other. While you could travel to other side of galaxy in your lifetime others outside your spaceship would age tens of thousands of years

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
You probably don't spend thousands of years to travel to a different planet just so you can do butt stuff on local drunkards.


Wild speculation theory,

What if, the aliens who come to earth and probe the local drunkards are the space version of the local boys who go cow tipping and there's nothing nefarious about it? It's just a bunch off dumbass kids, drunk of space beer, fresh off from space drivers ed, bored out of their minds in a hodunk nebula where nothing happens and they have nothing to look forward to but following Ghlock and Schleel into the minnes, having a laugh at those goof aliens on the blue planet

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In my younger years I was absolutely convinced of all kinds of phenomenon - UFOs, Bigfoot, etc.

However, as the years have progressed and everyone walking around the face of the planet has a high-quality portable visual resording device, available within an instant, their cellphone, my conviction has dropped to zero.

Why do we still harken back to images and footage taken decades ago? Because new and resonable footage does not exist. Sure, there are a number you can find on Youtube, but they are suspect at best.

If UFO and Bigfoot were truly running amok, we would have countless new video evidence all over the media.

But, we do not and I can surmise the reason why.

Are there aliens out there - yeah, high liklihood given the expanse of the universe. Do they have life that has come here? I am still waiting for inconclusive evidence. You cannot use the example of life on earth and what humans have evolved to in a short millenia and other life should have surely developed the capacity to travel the stars when dinosaurs roamed the earth for hundreds of millions of years and never evolved past basic animals.

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There is a theory that we haven't seen any aliens yet because all civilisations collapse before achieving interstellar travel. Pretty depressing but still an interesting concept and one that people can probs consider likely considering the state of humanity.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
You probably don't spend thousands of years to travel to a different planet just so you can do butt stuff on local drunkards.


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 Matt Swain wrote:
 Overread wrote:
If governments formally admitted to aliens beyond microbial then you can bet it wouldn't be hidden in the backwaters of the internet conspiracy websites.

I do seem to recall some interview happened with someone key high up and he gave one of those "he smiled" type answers to a question that made everyone go "Ohh could be real". In the sort of same way parents say Santa Clause is real to kids, look there's a real reindeer they do exist the first time kids see them or such.


But yeah aliens and alien ships being confirmed by the government? No chance.
Official government investigations into UFOs perfectly reasonable and expected; governments experimenting with spherical or abnormal shaped aircraft - perfectly normal and heck even way back to WWII the Nazis were developing and messing with some saucer shaped aircraft on the design board.




Speaking of ww2, i hear that the "foo fighters" are still unexplained. Allies thought they were nazi, nazis thought they were allied.

I didn't totally believe it but wanted to get it to stop nagging at me.


I believe you'll find that the Foo Fighters are a band led by Dave Grohl, who are in the running to enter the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this year.

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 Ghool wrote:
So yes, I agree that UFOs are just that - unidentified.

That's a bit like agreeing that a table is a table. The point you were replying to is that UFOs are, by very definition, unidentified. That's not something that needs to be agreed... it''s what the acronym actually means.

Confusion happens because people conflate 'UFO' with 'Alien'.

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"Aliens"

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/space-alien-technology-avi-loeb-b1796431.htm"l

"...Loeb has spent a lot of time thinking about how to explore the interstellar wilds. A prolific astrophysicist at Harvard University and chair of the advisory committee for Breakthrough Starshot, a project that aims to send probes to the nearest star system, Loeb envisions shooting powerful lasers at lightsails – thin, reflective spacecraft akin to mirrors – to accelerate them to star-hopping speed.

So when a bizarre object from interstellar space hurtled through our solar system in 2017, Loeb readily admits that he was primed to see it as a glimpse of alien technology – an extraterrestrial lightsail – rather than some errant space rock.

In his book Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, Loeb lays out his case that the unusual traveller, named ’Oumuamua after the Hawaiian word for scout, was an artificial relic crafted by savvy aliens. While this exotic explanation of the object serves as the backbone of the book, Loeb's broader argument grows out of his bewilderment with the blowback to his hypothesis, which he regards as an omen of imaginative decay and anti-alien bias in the scientific community. “The search for extraterrestrial life has never been more than an oddity to the vast majority of scientists,” he writes. “To them, it is a subject worthy of, at best, glancing interest and at worst, outright derision.”

Sceptics who fit that description should take seriously the meticulous defence of the alien origin story offered in Extraterrestrial. To bolster his case, Loeb points to the unexplained properties of the first known interstellar visitor: its extreme dimensions, its perplexing brightness, and the dramatic speed boost that sent it careening out of our telescopic sights.

Proponents of a natural origin for ’Oumuamua have suggested that it was an elongated planetary splinter or a loose cloud of dust grains. Loeb questions whether an alien origin is any more far-fetched than these explanations, given that scientists have never seen splinters or clouds of this nature inside the solar system. Scientists have also speculated that 'Oumuamua's sudden acceleration in the outer solar system was caused by bursts of evaporating ice, a phenomenon known as outgassing. As a counterpoint, Loeb points to the lack of evidence picked up by telescopes of an outgassing event.

Like an astronomical Sherlock Holmes, a character often invoked in the book, Loeb concludes that “the simplest explanation for these peculiarities is that the object was created by an intelligent civilisation not of this Earth.” You don't have to share his conviction to be impressed by the breadth of his argument.

Loeb is less successful in casting the controversy he has sparked as a sign of myopic reluctance, within academic circles, to concede that humans might not be the only sentient, spacefaring beings in the universe. Throughout Extraterrestrial, he returns to the refrain “and yet it deviated” to describe 'Oumuamua: a nod to the legend that Galileo muttered “And yet it moves,” referring to Earth, in response to his coerced recantation of the sun-centric model of the solar system

Loeb makes clear that he does not consider himself to be a neo-Galileo. And yet he sees parallels between Galileo's critics and his own. “Recall the clerics who refused to look through Galileo's telescope,” he writes. “The scientific community's prejudice or closed-mindedness – however you want to describe it – is particularly pervasive and powerful when it comes to the search for alien life, especially intelligent life. Many researchers refuse to even consider the possibility that a bizarre object or phenomenon might be evidence of an advanced civilisation.”

The search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) spent decades on the fringes of science, in part because of the relative lack of empirical methods available to constrain doubts about aliens during the 20th century. Over the past two decades, however, an explosion of observational techniques and discoveries – many of which Loeb describes – has revolutionised astrobiology and SETI.

Thousands of exoplanets (worlds that orbit other stars) have been detected since the 1990s; some telescopes are now explicitly tasked with assessing their habitability. A central mission of NASA's Perseverance rover, due to land on Mars in February, is to look for signs of Martian life. China has built the world's largest single-dish telescope to scan the skies for evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence.

On Venus, the possible detection of a chemical associated with life has evoked visions of aerial microbes in the Venusian skies. In the star system Alpha Centauri – the target of Breakthrough Starshot – a recently discovered exoplanet is sloughing off radio signals, stoking speculation about alien “technosignatures...."


   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
 Overread wrote:
If governments formally admitted to aliens beyond microbial then you can bet it wouldn't be hidden in the backwaters of the internet conspiracy websites.

I do seem to recall some interview happened with someone key high up and he gave one of those "he smiled" type answers to a question that made everyone go "Ohh could be real". In the sort of same way parents say Santa Clause is real to kids, look there's a real reindeer they do exist the first time kids see them or such.


But yeah aliens and alien ships being confirmed by the government? No chance.
Official government investigations into UFOs perfectly reasonable and expected; governments experimenting with spherical or abnormal shaped aircraft - perfectly normal and heck even way back to WWII the Nazis were developing and messing with some saucer shaped aircraft on the design board.




Speaking of ww2, i hear that the "foo fighters" are still unexplained. Allies thought they were nazi, nazis thought they were allied.

I didn't totally believe it but wanted to get it to stop nagging at me.


I believe you'll find that the Foo Fighters are a band led by Dave Grohl, who are in the running to enter the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this year.


Not sure if you're trolling so here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

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 Matt Swain wrote:

I believe you'll find that the Foo Fighters are a band led by Dave Grohl, who are in the running to enter the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this year.

Yes, and their popularity remains unexplained.



 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:

I believe you'll find that the Foo Fighters are a band led by Dave Grohl, who are in the running to enter the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this year.

Yes, and their popularity remains unexplained.




As, ironically, do the ww2 foo fighters.

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 Gert wrote:
There is a theory that we haven't seen any aliens yet because all civilisations collapse before achieving interstellar travel. Pretty depressing but still an interesting concept and one that people can probs consider likely considering the state of humanity.


There's all manner of Fermi Paradox solutions, but the fact remains that it only takes a single species in the galaxy to not wipe themselves out and they'd colonize the galaxy in a few million years (a blip in time, really). That's without faster than light travel.

Now the notion that we'd actually notice if this happened is dubious, as most futurists assume that aliens would construct Dyson Swarms or other megastructures we'd notice. If they just terraformed useful worlds and/or constructed new planets whole cloth, we probably wouldn't notice them at all.


   
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 John Prins wrote:
 Gert wrote:
There is a theory that we haven't seen any aliens yet because all civilisations collapse before achieving interstellar travel. Pretty depressing but still an interesting concept and one that people can probs consider likely considering the state of humanity.


There's all manner of Fermi Paradox solutions, but the fact remains that it only takes a single species in the galaxy to not wipe themselves out and they'd colonize the galaxy in a few million years (a blip in time, really). That's without faster than light travel.

Now the notion that we'd actually notice if this happened is dubious, as most futurists assume that aliens would construct Dyson Swarms or other megastructures we'd notice. If they just terraformed useful worlds and/or constructed new planets whole cloth, we probably wouldn't notice them at all.
Well you figure an interstellar alien empire could have risen, spread across half the milky way, and collapsed, and we won't know about it for some time because the light from that half of the galaxy hasn't got here yet. Also the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter theory has more holes than 'moon landing was faked' theory anyways.

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As far as I’m aware the Fermi paradox was never a theory, but an observation to provoke inquiry. There are a lot of assumptions in SETI and any of them could greatly influence the chances of detection; for example at the moment we are very rapidly moving away from high powered broadcasts for TV etc. in favour of streaming, which uses much lower power, local ,network transmissions that are exponentially harder to detect at long distance. If we’re a “typical” technological civilisation, then it’s feasible that high power, indiscriminate transmissions may only be present for a century or two out of the entire lifetime of the civilisation. That makes detection much, much, harder.

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"Aliens"

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/space-alien-technology-avi-loeb-b1796431.htm"l

"
Like an astronomical Sherlock Holmes, a character often invoked in the book, Loeb concludes that “the simplest explanation for these peculiarities is that the object was created by an intelligent civilisation not of this Earth.” You don't have to share his conviction to be impressed by the breadth of his argument.



Sigh.

That argument has no breadth. That particular Holmes argument (which he's trying badly to ape), is a gross misapplication of logic
The _actual_ simplest explanation is that he doesn't know the cause, not that his biased guess is correct, simply because he wants to believe it. We don't know something is far more likely than a specific extra-solar object being an alien probe.

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He's basically trying to make the historical go to for the unknown - it was for religious reasons - equivalent for space being "aliens".

And yeah I'm not surprised there's pushback. I think scientific communities and even fans have had enough of cheap thrills arguments like "ooh aliens" being thrown around. Plus those who do want to believe are likely tired of the lies and fakes; whilst those who don't have seen the impacts that such viewpoints can have in twisting people's perceptions of reality.

Ergo I'd argue most of Dakka's membership can watch something like "Ancient Aliens" and see it purely as entertainment and not factual. Yet there's a portion of the population who are ignorant and easily led enough that they will see it as a potential factual documentary. Even if they don't believe a single episode as such, the concept of the theory is something they subscribe too.

   
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 Jadenim wrote:
As far as I’m aware the Fermi paradox was never a theory, but an observation to provoke inquiry. There are a lot of assumptions in SETI and any of them could greatly influence the chances of detection; for example at the moment we are very rapidly moving away from high powered broadcasts for TV etc. in favour of streaming, which uses much lower power, local ,network transmissions that are exponentially harder to detect at long distance. If we’re a “typical” technological civilisation, then it’s feasible that high power, indiscriminate transmissions may only be present for a century or two out of the entire lifetime of the civilisation. That makes detection much, much, harder.


Even our strongest broadcasts wouldn't be detectable by other solar systems in the first place.

   
 
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