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Blacklist Games, publisher of Altar Quest dungeoncrawl and Fantasy Series 1 miniatures, will have a KS on 3/30 for their FS2 miniatures and Lasting Tales miniatures skirmish game.

Offhand, the only other solo / coop generic fantasy miniature skirmish games out there are Rangers of Shadowdeep and Sellswords and Spellslingers?

Designer Diary answers some questions.
* Coop with monster AI.
* Players generate their own characters, who level up from 1st to 10th.
* Random scenarios and a campaign in the rulebook.
* Written by Mark Latham, who did the Call to Arms and Walking Dead games.
* The basic Test system is 2D6 + a specified characteristic.
* Next diary discusses further mechanics, such as Fate.

https://www.blacklistgamesllc.com/post/lasting-tales-design-diary-1-an-introduction-to-lasting-tales

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I believe Ash of GMG just put up a battle report or something.

I put in 1$ in the first KS and decided at the last second that I don't need a crate of generic D&D baddies no matter how cheap they are.

If the price is the same and the sculpts more interesting this time I'll be happy to jump onboard.

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Probably gonna go for it. Though I am already a fan of Dungeon Universalis, but this might scratch a slightly different itch...
It's also a nice way to get much unused stuff on the table again.

Addition: what I love about the concept of this and what really thrills me: a book and some six sided dice. No thousand tokens, cards in three sizes and five types of proprietary dice. I really miss those games and the flexibility and ease they had. All that clutter looks nice but I often choose not to play a boardgame because I am tired of rummaging through all that stuff.

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Really looking forward to this, I backed the first KS since it had 200 minis for a ridiculously low price. Some repeat sculpts, sure, but I remember the days when everything from GW was monopose and it wasn't all bad having single-piece sculpts with simple detail that are extremely easy to batch paint.

With contrast paints now a thing I'm expecting it to be some of the fastest painting I do, probably around 1-2 hours for a batch of 5.

The first KS nearly covered the entire wandering monster table for Frostgrave, including obscure stuff like vapour snakes and constructs so I'm hoping the second will finish it off.

As for the rules, co-op games are a great idea, there's a really great interview with the designer here that goes into a lot of detail, the original warhammer quest is a big inspiration, it'll be a case of heroes vs. monster hordes in linked narrative campaigns, you get one in the core book and they're hoping to release more as expansions: https://techraptor.net/tabletop/interview/lasting-tales-mark-latham-interview-fantasy-series-1-preview

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 Garfield666 wrote:
Probably gonna go for it. Though I am already a fan of Dungeon Universalis, but this might scratch a slightly different itch...
It's also a nice way to get much unused stuff on the table again.

Addition: what I love about the concept of this and what really thrills me: a book and some six sided dice. No thousand tokens, cards in three sizes and five types of proprietary dice. I really miss those games and the flexibility and ease they had. All that clutter looks nice but I often choose not to play a boardgame because I am tired of rummaging through all that stuff.


Very good point. I've tried reading SW: Legion rules but they seem so complex. I really used to enjoy playing Advanced Heroquest solo although being young I did cheat quite a bit. Need to dig it out again. Will look in on this one. Hope they do a play-through vid.

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Same here, bubber. Still searching for that perfect Advanced Heroquest replacement.

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here's the 'notify me on launch' web address:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blacklistgames/lasting-tales-a-fantasy-miniatures-game

Pity they're US-based. With uncertainty around import taxes & the expense of postage, I might have to give this one a miss unless they do a PDF pledge.

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 bubber wrote:
here's the 'notify me on launch' web address:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blacklistgames/lasting-tales-a-fantasy-miniatures-game

Pity they're US-based. With uncertainty around import taxes & the expense of postage, I might have to give this one a miss unless they do a PDF pledge.
I'll be getting my series 1 KS delivery soon, they've confirmed no import fees as they have both a UK and an EU distribution hub in place. I think the shipping was about £15 for the 2 pledges I got, wasn't too bad, it's shipping from China to the UK without touching America.

GBP/USD exchange rate is much better than it was 8 months ago, so if anything it might be cheaper to back series 1 during this KS than the original one for UK backers.

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I'm interested. Call To Arms is a dang fun game but being limited on character selection to NPCs from the Videogames hurts overall enthusiasm for the game in my group.
   
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I saw Ash Barker mentioning this, but never heard of it before. What were/are the Kickstarter minis made of?



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PVC plastic. Good stuff, although it depends on what you're looking for. Pretty much the same quality bucket as CMON, Monolith, Reaper, etc. I only paint to advanced tabletop, so I'm looking forward to using them for RPGs and miniature gaming.

Unboxing videos for FS1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bRTqxV-U-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZJUTizLgrc

Unboxing videos for Altar Quest:
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=Awr9Jhd1rkVgxyAAPThXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3BpdnM-?p=altar+quest+unboxing&fr2=piv-web&fr=yset_widemail_chr_win

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scarletsquig wrote:
 bubber wrote:
here's the 'notify me on launch' web address:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blacklistgames/lasting-tales-a-fantasy-miniatures-game

Pity they're US-based. With uncertainty around import taxes & the expense of postage, I might have to give this one a miss unless they do a PDF pledge.
I'll be getting my series 1 KS delivery soon, they've confirmed no import fees as they have both a UK and an EU distribution hub in place. I think the shipping was about £15 for the 2 pledges I got, wasn't too bad, it's shipping from China to the UK without touching America.

GBP/USD exchange rate is much better than it was 8 months ago, so if anything it might be cheaper to back series 1 during this KS than the original one for UK backers.


Well we won't have to pay import costs, but in the EU & UK the seller needs to show the vat payed, which means most of the companies on KS will charge vat if you're from the EU or UK. So that will easily add 20% to the price

 
   
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Not for the previous Kickstarter. Might come with this one.
Though I never had to pay any VAT, no matter from where the KS was sent - except CMON with MD2 - where they enforced this despite not mentioning it in advance and received a verityble Gakstorm as a result...

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 Garfield666 wrote:
Not for the previous Kickstarter. Might come with this one.
Though I never had to pay any VAT, no matter from where the KS was sent - except CMON with MD2 - where they enforced this despite not mentioning it in advance and received a verityble Gakstorm as a result...

because of the whole brexit thing, the rules reading vat have been changed, so now we do need to pay vat.


Its great to see a solo skirmish game, I might have to go all in and see if I can score the FS1. I only got the lurker pack for altar quest

 
   
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Brexit is a UK "thing", not a global event. It has no bearings on someone from within the EU participating in a US Kickstarter.

If the project is labeled as EU-friendly, that means no taxes and a european distribution hub for sending the packages. All else is fraudulent.
Some companies, like Reaper, don't offer EU friendly, which is fine as well. As long as they are open about it, this is their decission.
Blacklist Games have so far always provided EU friendly shipping. I received three KSers from them and there never was VAT or customs etc. I expect and hope this will be the same. Why shouldn't it?

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Ah, here's Ash's video on the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK3OSNl8PY

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 Garfield666 wrote:
Brexit is a UK "thing", not a global event. It has no bearings on someone from within the EU participating in a US Kickstarter.

If the project is labeled as EU-friendly, that means no taxes and a european distribution hub for sending the packages. All else is fraudulent.
Some companies, like Reaper, don't offer EU friendly, which is fine as well. As long as they are open about it, this is their decission.
Blacklist Games have so far always provided EU friendly shipping. I received three KSers from them and there never was VAT or customs etc. I expect and hope this will be the same. Why shouldn't it?


A law has been introduced this year (already in place for UK, hitting this summer for EU) which means that importers need to provide evidence that VAT is being paid correctly. In the past you could import and just mark tax as paid and it wasn't queried (or do what a lot of companies were and mark production cost for the products rather than actual value so the VAT was a fraction of what it should be).

All these companies should have been paying tax for years but some clearly haven't been or have been using the above work around. They are now looking to move that cost onto the recipient and have them pay in the pledge manager. CMON have already started to do this (retroactively on Massive Darkness 2 and placed warnings on the two new Kickstarters). It looks like Flying Frog will also be applying retroactively with the most recent Kickstarter. Flyos games are eating the cost themselves for "Vampire: The Masquerade – CHAPTERS" as they didn't advise backers during the KS but will be applying it in future Kickstarters.

Sanderson games have been charging tax for several years now on EU shipments. They consider EU friendly to mean no paying for shipping to the EU hub and no import taxes. They consider that it's still EU friendly if a backer pays VAT. This is a stance that all the big firms now appear to be taking unfortunately.

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Tax is tax, it needs to be paid. As far as I'm concerned "EU friendly" just means I don't personally have to deal with the functionally illiterate sociopaths at customs. It's a bigger consideration for me than the final cost of the goods.

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I'm in no hurry to buy another set of miniature skirmish game rules, so I'm hoping for a PDF as well. PDFs are useful because you can print out only the section you need: combat rules for another player, army list of armies played in the game, the scenario that you're playing, etc.

I don't see them offering it, but my breaking point would be a $20 softcover plus PDF, including monster stats for FS1, FS2, Horror, and ideally Altar Quest. Give away the software, sell the hardware!

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Here’s a quick rules overview based on Ash’s vid:

Lasting Tales translates the RPG experience fully into a miniatures skirmish game. There are races, classes, levels, equipment, skills, spells — everything you’d expect in, say, D&D. Except for a Dungeon Master. Lasting Tales was designed from the ground up for solo and co-op play. Player Characters get to Move, Attack, and perform an Action each turn. Running, at a baseline, prevents you from making a Ranged Attack or performing an Action that turn. Interestingly, casting spells (whether “Arcane” or “Divine”, in D&D terms) is an Action.

Resolution is a matter of adding a figure’s relevant stat, plus or minus any modifiers, to a 2d6 roll against a TN: Simple [8], Normal [10], or Hard [12]. For example, hitting in melee combat is a matter of rolling a TN or above based on the relative Melee attributes of the attacker and target. If the attacker’s Melee attribute is the same as the target’s, then the attacker must pass a Normal test; if the attacker’s Melee attribute is at least double or half as much than the target’s, the test is then Simple or Hard, respectively.

Borrowing one of the “innovations” of D&D 5E (itself borrowed from the OSR community), Lasting Tales also allows for advantage and disadvantage, namely adding a third d6 to your 2d6 roll and discarding the lowest or highest result, respectively. Certain rolls, such as attack rolls, also allow for the possibility of critical results: add a d6 (of a different color) to your 2d6 roll and, if that die rolls a 6, it’s a critical. Player Characters have a Fate attribute, a limited resource that can be spent for a number of purposes, including (as I understand it) to reroll any or all dice. Rerolls may not be rerolled.

A successful attack does a randomized amount of damage based on the weapon or attack type, plus or minus modifiers. Incoming damage is reduced by the figure’s Resistance attribute and, potentially, armor/shield. Armor is handled like a save, with a chance on a number of d6 (depending on the armor type) to further reduce damage. Player Characters who take damage equal to their Health attribute are knocked out rather than killed and can spend a Fate point to get back into the action. Aside from healing spells and potions, any Player Character can perform a “Take A Breath” action to regain a single health point. Monsters classified as minions are put into a two-stage redeployment system when vanquished and have a chance of returning on subsequent turns.

The books will come with set piece scenarios but also promises to include a scenario generator.

   
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Well, I totally missed the first kickstarter but I see that they are going to put an option to get the 1st Fantasy stuff with this one.

I'll probably go in on this, even after backing Zombicide Undead or Alive.
   
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I am constantly looking for a good solo ruleset, and it seems to have a potential. Are these demo rules only available for Ash etc. or can they be downloaded (I do not see them on their website)?
   
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 Shadow Walker wrote:
I am constantly looking for a good solo ruleset, and it seems to have a potential. Are these demo rules only available for Ash etc. or can they be downloaded (I do not see them on their website)?

Pretty sure that nothing is available yet. I believe the demo rules Ash is using will be available when the KS launches though.

   
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 Taarnak wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
I am constantly looking for a good solo ruleset, and it seems to have a potential. Are these demo rules only available for Ash etc. or can they be downloaded (I do not see them on their website)?

Pretty sure that nothing is available yet. I believe the demo rules Ash is using will be available when the KS launches though.

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Manufacturers give Ash cool stuff first in hopes he will feature it on his channel.

Sneaky git!

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Shoot BLG an email, anyway. Even post a review on BGG and here to build up some hype!

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Looking at the FS1 kick, there seemed to be a metric crap-ton of miniatures at the $65 level, right?

A lot of duplication in monsters, but all the big boys, characters etc.. did they deliver this yet?

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They haven't delivered FS1 (or Horror Series 1), but have delivered Altar Quest and other BLG games (check their KS history). Should be easy to find AQ unboxing videos.

AFAIK, FS1 has minions in sets of five for their games. I think FS1 was greatly helped by the Altar Quest add-on, and a plug during the Frostgrave KS, so I don't expect FS2 to be the deal it was. During the Horrors Series 1 KS, the FS1 add-on was $125. Still a good price for what you got, but don't be surprised if the pledge level is higher than $65 and you get less stuff for your dollar when the KS ends.

We'll see in less than two weeks! I suspect miniature collectors who already have a ton of generic fantasy miniatures might not be as receptive to FS2 as they were to FS1.

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Demo rules are available for free https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlvektmo1yduvon/Lasting%20Tales%20Demo%20Rules.pdf?dl=0
   
 
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