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I'm curious, why is this site so incredibly strict when it comes to swearing? I can understand why bigoted slurs would be banned, but for normal curse words, I personally feel that the censorship is over the top. While this is not strictly an adult forum, it's far from the Disney Channel. From what I've seen, the vast majority of users here are adults, so I don't understand why language is so heavily regulated.
   
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Registered users =\= people viewing the forum.

If you can't express yourself without swearing or humourous substitutes for your swearing then the problem isn't with Dakka.

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As it says in the rules;
"It also should go without saying that swearing, profanity, sexual references, etc, are strictly forbidden, including all images that are posted on or uploaded to our site. Remember that we have users of all ages and that Dakka should be a welcoming place for everyone to enjoy."

The owners of the site wanted it to be suitable for all ages and so decided that swearing should not be allowed, for those who simply must swear the common words (but generally not compound words comprising of swear words) are automatically filtered to make them thematic for the forum, ie. gak and feth.

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As someone who has moderated various fora for decades (even before social media), I get where Dakka is coming from.

In my opinion, there is simply too much diversity in terms of peoples tolerance for swearing and too much diversity in terms of what terms are acceptable and in what context. That problem is compounded in a text-based environment where the "tone" of the text is almost entirely determine by what is in the mind of the reader, where as IRL whilst intended tone of a speaker is still able to perceived more objectively by the listener. In my experience the "gap" between the intended tone of a speaker and how the listener perceive the "tone" is much narrower than in a text-based environment, and more importantly, is more able to be objectively examined (especially if others see the conversation in question).

In my experience, it is easiest to simply not allow swearing in text-based environments. Too much room for misunderstanding, too much subjectivity, too much risk.

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It also helps that given that you know what gak and feth are equivalents for, it shouldn't really keep you from using them in the situation you presumably want to use for effect anyways, even though in most cases you shouldn't.
   
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I find the lack of swearing kind of adorable and endearing. If you're pissed, you can get your point across - but the filters that change your blue language soften the tone and add an element of je ne sais quoi

I find this very welcoming, and am glad they opted to do this from the start.

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Jebus H Rice, swearing is never clever, nor witty, nor necessary, anyone with half a forking brain can some up with more original ways to express their maternal-copulating feelings without using that bull spit!

 
   
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Actually they say swearing is one of the more complex social interactions, so getting it right in real life is clever! However I think on Dakka it is the right policy to keep it clean :-)
   
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 pancakeonions wrote:
I find the lack of swearing kind of adorable and endearing. If you're pissed, you can get your point across - but the filters that change your blue language soften the tone and add an element of je ne sais quoi

I find this very welcoming, and am glad they opted to do this from the start.


Hehe I spot Irony!!!, I'm not having a go at you here but this is the perfect example of why the all or nothing rule. Specifically the use of "p$%^£d" which although widely used in the states is considered a swear over here across the pond (eg," oh just p£$% off") albeit a fairly minor one its still not a word used lightly.

As Dakka is a multinational forum, its just easier to say "No swearing" than have to work through cultural differences/ranks of profanity for every possible swear.

Also context. I am 42, and what I may consider swearing could be considerably different to what someone aged say 20 would today (upbringing and social norms heavily influence the use/intended meaning of words).

   
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Haha, no irony here! I'm with Kid_Kyoto here. It's rare that swearing comes across as clever in text formats like these forums, though as Kroem notes, if you can do it well - good for you!

But I do appreciate that Dakka's clean. Just more friendly overall that way.

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 pancakeonions wrote:
I find the lack of swearing kind of adorable and endearing. If you're pissed, you can get your point across - but the filters that change your blue language soften the tone and add an element of je ne sais quoi

I find this very welcoming, and am glad they opted to do this from the start.
So much this. I really enjoy how Dakka replaces swear words. Even to the point where I occasionally use them when I normally wouldn't so somewhat ironic I suppose
   
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It is after all, a [goshdarned - oops the filter didn't catch that one!] fething piece of gak family wargame (site)

(Just testing)

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 Grimskul wrote:
It also helps that given that you know what gak and feth are equivalents for, it shouldn't really keep you from using them in the situation you presumably want to use for effect anyways, even though in most cases you shouldn't.


Feth doesn't mean what you think it does (They actually explained it in one of the Gaunt's Ghost's novels).
   
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 skyth wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
It also helps that given that you know what gak and feth are equivalents for, it shouldn't really keep you from using them in the situation you presumably want to use for effect anyways, even though in most cases you shouldn't.


Feth doesn't mean what you think it does (They actually explained it in one of the Gaunt's Ghost's novels).


I remember that! Gaunt said it was a Tanith harvest goddess or something. Frankly I think he was full of gak and just lying to his fething superior to keep the grunts out of trouble.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I remember that! Gaunt said it was a Tanith harvest goddess or something. Frankly I think he was full of gak and just lying to his fething superior to keep the grunts out of trouble.
Think about how many real world harvest/farming/etc goddesses are also associated with fertility as well. They well could have co-opted Feth's name to mean fething.

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Always thought curse words worked best if you absolutely need to make it clear a situation is extremely serious, like an emergency or sympathy for someone going through a rough time. Kind of like a simple method to convey emotion without having to be descriptive.

Otherwise, it kind of gives off that same weirdly aggressive vibe as someone typing with caps lock on.

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There are places in the USA where **** is still considered "swearing" as well as ***, **** or ****

Puritans still gonna puritan.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

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 Kroem wrote:
Actually they say swearing is one of the more complex social interactions, so getting it right in real life is clever! However I think on Dakka it is the right policy to keep it clean :-)


You're not wrong.

Sidestepping the censor on the board, it was a serious mindfeth for me when I realized "feth you/me" (the uncensored version) can literally mean just about anything depending on tone, context, and who you're saying it to and why. Like seriously. You can use it as a form of greeting with close friends. You can use it as a crass dismissal. You can use it as the somewhat dull tail end of a joke. You can use it as an insult. You can use it as an exclamation. You can use it as a stand in for 'I'm sorry.' The sheer range of contexts within which that basic phrase can be used and mutually understood is staggering.

It actually makes total sense to try and discourage it's use on boards though for that same reason. Because the intended usage and meaning depends so heavily on tone and context, using it excessively in a more public setting, especially one where tone cannot be conveyed well, is more distracting than helpful.

Still. Mindfeth man :/

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 chromedog wrote:
There are places in the USA where **** is still considered "swearing" as well as ***, **** or ****

Puritans still gonna puritan.


I'm just glad that filters written for Americans rarely pick up "arse" as a swear word, lol.


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 SkavenLord wrote:
Always thought curse words worked best if you absolutely need to make it clear a situation is extremely serious, like an emergency or sympathy for someone going through a rough time. Kind of like a simple method to convey emotion without having to be descriptive.

Otherwise, it kind of gives off that same weirdly aggressive vibe as someone typing with caps lock on.


That's probably because you're Canadian. In much of Australia swear words have just become a part of the general irreverent language of the masses. A person you don't like might be "a bit of a c-word", but a person you do like might be "a good c-word". In business settings or the Sunday church service people generally don't talk like that, but even there I've come across people who don't seem to give a f-word and just swear like sailors the whole time, lol.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 SkavenLord wrote:
Always thought curse words worked best if you absolutely need to make it clear a situation is extremely serious, like an emergency or sympathy for someone going through a rough time. Kind of like a simple method to convey emotion without having to be descriptive.

Otherwise, it kind of gives off that same weirdly aggressive vibe as someone typing with caps lock on.


That's probably because you're Canadian. In much of Australia swear words have just become a part of the general irreverent language of the masses. A person you don't like might be "a bit of a c-word", but a person you do like might be "a good c-word". In business settings or the Sunday church service people generally don't talk like that, but even there I've come across people who don't seem to give a f-word and just swear like sailors the whole time, lol.


You’ve never been to Quebec, have you?

Joking aside, that’s interesting to know. Thought this whole time that the prevalence of swearing in Australia was a stereotype. I wonder how other countries would fit on a spectrum in that regard.

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Profanity is the spice of language. Too bad most people are terrible cooks. Dakka's word filtering is fine, and at times, humorous. It's an indelible part of the forum and its culture at this point. Keep it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I'm just glad that filters written for Americans rarely pick up "arse" as a swear word, lol.
We don't consider ass a swear word ( see how it is unfiltered), and we don't consider arse to even be a word, at least not in US-English.

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 Red Harvest wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I'm just glad that filters written for Americans rarely pick up "arse" as a swear word, lol.
We don't consider ass a swear word ( see how it is unfiltered), and we don't consider arse to even be a word, at least not in US-English.
Sorry I wasn't talking about Dakka specifically, I've definitely been on other sites that filtered ass but not arse. Obviously the US dictionary doesn't know what arse means, but I'd hope most Americans would know


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 SkavenLord wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 SkavenLord wrote:
Always thought curse words worked best if you absolutely need to make it clear a situation is extremely serious, like an emergency or sympathy for someone going through a rough time. Kind of like a simple method to convey emotion without having to be descriptive.

Otherwise, it kind of gives off that same weirdly aggressive vibe as someone typing with caps lock on.


That's probably because you're Canadian. In much of Australia swear words have just become a part of the general irreverent language of the masses. A person you don't like might be "a bit of a c-word", but a person you do like might be "a good c-word". In business settings or the Sunday church service people generally don't talk like that, but even there I've come across people who don't seem to give a f-word and just swear like sailors the whole time, lol.


You’ve never been to Quebec, have you?

Joking aside, that’s interesting to know. Thought this whole time that the prevalence of swearing in Australia was a stereotype. I wonder how other countries would fit on a spectrum in that regard.


It's always hard to say because you can go to different demographics in a country and find a different prevalence. My parents rarely if ever swore while I was growing up, they were Christians though and my Mum was actually Indian who moved to Australia back in the 70's, so maybe not your typical Australian family back in those days. But then I go down to the local shops and hear parents swearing in front of their kids quite frequently, and even my siblings and their partners I've heard swearing in front of their kids. But, I'm in a working class suburb, if you went over to a more middle class suburb it'd be a different story. Over here we call them "bogans", I'm definitely from a bogan area, lol.

I do think Australians in general have a bit of an irreverent attitude, but again that might just be the specific town I'm from vs the specific towns I've lived in when in other countries.

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The funny thing to me is that anyone can quote a post of mine full of gaks and see which gak was typed “gak” and which was typed “gak”, even though they appear identical when posted.

This has added a layer of complexity to the tactical use of swear words and their censor-friendly brethren. Fething easy to learn, fething difficult to master.

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I remember back in the days of EZ Board there was the famous writer and creator of books about depressed albino sorcerers who we had to call...

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...due to four letters in his surname.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I remember back in the days of EZ Board there was the famous writer and creator of books about depressed albino sorcerers who we had to call...

Michael Who-must-not-be-named

...due to four letters in his surname.


That took me a second.

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 trexmeyer wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I remember back in the days of EZ Board there was the famous writer and creator of books about depressed albino sorcerers who we had to call...

Michael Who-must-not-be-named

...due to four letters in his surname.


That took me a second.


Yeah, frankly it was a load of poppycock, but what can you do?

 
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
There are places in the USA where **** is still considered "swearing" as well as ***, **** or ****

Puritans still gonna puritan.


I'm just glad that filters written for Americans rarely pick up "arse" as a swear word, lol.


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 SkavenLord wrote:
Always thought curse words worked best if you absolutely need to make it clear a situation is extremely serious, like an emergency or sympathy for someone going through a rough time. Kind of like a simple method to convey emotion without having to be descriptive.

Otherwise, it kind of gives off that same weirdly aggressive vibe as someone typing with caps lock on.


That's probably because you're Canadian. In much of Australia swear words have just become a part of the general irreverent language of the masses. A person you don't like might be "a bit of a c-word", but a person you do like might be "a good c-word". In business settings or the Sunday church service people generally don't talk like that, but even there I've come across people who don't seem to give a f-word and just swear like sailors the whole time, lol.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:Sorry I wasn't talking about Dakka specifically, I've definitely been on other sites that filtered ass but not arse. Obviously the US dictionary doesn't know what arse means, but I'd hope most Americans would know
Depending upon the region, arse may mean the 1st person plural possessive pronoun ( usually spelled ours) to the listener. Accents are interesting things.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I remember back in the days of EZ Board there was the famous writer and creator of books about depressed albino sorcerers who we had to call...

Michael Who-must-not-be-named

...due to four letters in his surname.
Since you've mentioned the esteemed author of, inter alia, the Elric series, I thought it may be amusing to quote what he had to say about Games Workshop, for the enlightenment of those who do not know.
Michael Moorcock wrote:"Games Workshop couldn't exist without the things they've ripped off from me and Tolkien. If they'd made more of the material, I wouldn't mind. But they've dumbed it down, too. Sometimes I get weary of this crap. Other times, people remind me, that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. A more sincere form of flattery than that, of course, is when they ask you first. As I've often said -- they can say it's flattery, but that's the flattery of the guy you catch in your apartment when you come home at night and he's just heading for the fire escape with your new TV. 'Great taste in TVs, man,' he says...."

 
   
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 Red Harvest wrote:
. Since you've mentioned the esteemed author of, inter alia, the Elric series, I thought it may be amusing to quote what he had to say about Games Workshop, for the enlightenment of those who do not know.

Michael Moorcock wrote:"Games Workshop couldn't exist without the things they've ripped off from me and Tolkien. If they'd made more of the material, I wouldn't mind. But they've dumbed it down, too. Sometimes I get weary of this crap. Other times, people remind me, that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. A more sincere form of flattery than that, of course, is when they ask you first. As I've often said -- they can say it's flattery, but that's the flattery of the guy you catch in your apartment when you come home at night and he's just heading for the fire escape with your new TV. 'Great taste in TVs, man,' he says...."


That's awesome I hadn't seen it before.

Of course GW will sue you to the poor house if you dare make Space Elf Rangers.

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